1851 Female naming pattern question
My great great grandmother, "Margt"
Conway McGarvey was a passenger on the Marchioness of Clydesdale with 2
sons John and Joseph. The ship left Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound for
Philadelphia, PA, USA.
Other records: 1860- 1900 US census,
Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey.
Would it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person?
Thank you,
Lizanne McGarvey Smith
Where was the name "Margt" notated? On the passenger list?
If the name was on the passenger list, presumably, it was provided by Conway and he would have known his mother's name. The name on the Death cert was provided by someone other than Conway who might have gotten it wrong.
In either case, there is always the possibility that the shipping clerk or the doctor got it wrong.
As the clerk and the doctor were paid to record info correctly, I'd go with the name on the passenger list until I got the name from other records.
Ed.
On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 09:54:22 AM EDT, Lizanne Smith via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
My great great grandmother, "Margt"Conway McGarvey was a passenger on the Marchioness of Clydesdale with 2 sons John and Joseph. The ship left Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound for Philadelphia, PA, USA.Other records: 1860- 1900 US census,Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey.Would it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person?Thank you,Lizanne McGarvey Smith
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Have you seen the original rather than just a transcript? I always double-check when Margt/Mary occurs as it’s easy to get it wrong. But as your example has a t at the end, i would go with Margaret. And check to see if the clerk abbreviated other names.Dorothy
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On 27 Sep 2024, at 2:51 AM, edward.lowitz1--- via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Where was the name "Margt" notated? On the passenger list?
If the name was on the passenger list, presumably, it was provided by Conway and he would have known his mother's name. The name on the Death cert was provided by someone other than Conway who might have gotten it wrong.
In either case, there is always the possibility that the shipping clerk or the doctor got it wrong.
As the clerk and the doctor were paid to record info correctly, I'd go with the name on the passenger list until I got the name from other records.
Ed.
On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 09:54:22 AM EDT, Lizanne Smith via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
My great great grandmother, "Margt"Conway McGarvey was a passenger on the Marchioness of Clydesdale with 2 sons John and Joseph. The ship left Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound for Philadelphia, PA, USA.
Other records: 1860- 1900 US census,
Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey.
Would it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person?
Thank you,
Lizanne McGarvey Smith
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In our Family Bible, my great grandmother is recorded as both Margaret
and Margret on the same page but in different places. Margt being an
abbreviation of Margaret/Margret. Literacy was not a strong point in the
19thC. ☹️
Gordon
On 27/09/2024 4:50 am, Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList wrote:
Have you seen the original rather than just a transcript? I always
double-check when Margt/Mary occurs as it?s easy to get it wrong. But
as your example has a t at the end, i would go with Margaret. And
check to see if the clerk abbreviated other names.
Dorothy
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On 27 Sep 2024, at 2:51?AM, edward.lowitz1--- via CoTyroneList
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Where was the name "Margt" notated? On the passenger list?
If the name was on the passenger list, presumably, it was provided by
Conway and he would have known his mother's name. The name on the
Death cert was provided by someone other than Conway who might have
gotten it wrong.
In either case, there is always the possibility that the shipping
clerk or the doctor got it wrong.
As the clerk and the doctor were paid to record info correctly, I'd
go with the name on the passenger list until I got the name from
other records.
Ed.
On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 09:54:22 AM EDT, Lizanne Smith via
CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
My great great grandmother, "Margt"
Conway McGarvey was a passenger on the Marchioness of Clydesdale with
2 sons John and Joseph. The ship left Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound
for Philadelphia, PA, USA.
Other records: 1860- 1900 US census,
Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey.
Would it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person?
Thank you,
Lizanne McGarvey Smith
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All good points (which I wished I had mentioned) but just to complicate things a bit further, the name "Mary Margaret" with both names being the person's Given Name (i.e. the 'first name' is Mary Margaret) is not uncommon.
If the family had one daughter named Mary Margaret and one named Mary Ann. they may have referred to the one as Margaret and to the other as Ann (or some other variation). I do have a nephew who is called by the second part of his first name.
Ed.
On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 08:42:07 PM EDT, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
In our Family Bible, my great grandmother is recorded as both Margaret and Margret on the same page but in different places. Margt being an abbreviation of Margaret/Margret. Literacy was not a strong point in the 19thC. ☹️
Gordon
On 27/09/2024 4:50 am, Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList wrote:
Have you seen the original rather than just a transcript? I always double-check when Margt/Mary occurs as it?s easy to get it wrong. But as your example has a t at the end, i would go with Margaret. And check to see if the clerk abbreviated other names. Dorothy
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On 27 Sep 2024, at 2:51?AM, edward.lowitz1--- via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
? Where was the name "Margt" notated? On the passenger list?
If the name was on the passenger list, presumably, it was provided by Conway and he would have known his mother's name. The name on the Death cert was provided by someone other than Conway who might have gotten it wrong.
In either case, there is always the possibility that the shipping clerk or the doctor got it wrong.
As the clerk and the doctor were paid to record info correctly, I'd go with the name on the passenger list until I got the name from other records.
Ed.
On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 09:54:22 AM EDT, Lizanne Smith via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
My great great grandmother, "Margt" Conway McGarvey was a passenger on the Marchioness of Clydesdale with 2 sons John and Joseph. The ship left Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound for Philadelphia, PA, USA. Other records: 1860- 1900 US census, Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey. Would it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person? Thank you, Lizanne McGarvey Smith
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