Thomas Marshall - Derrinleagh/Oritor/Kildress
Hello all,
I am seeking any information on Thomas Marshall (born around 1880 probably but not definitely in the Kildress area west of Cookstown) who was the husband of my grandaunt “Margaret Barnes” (born 9th December 1884 probably in the Tamlaght or Derrinleagh area of Oritor/Kildress)
There are quite a few erroneously listed family trees on Ancestry that show Margaret Barnes being married to one James Slaine but he was more likely married to her elder sister Maria as my family Bible lists this fact.
The Carson/Barnes family Bible probably had these facts recorded at a time when these people were still alive but unfortunately I can’t 100% verify this as the Bible was “hijacked” some years ago by someone in my family breaking the tradition of it being passed down to the eldest son of each generation. Thankfully I was able to obtain most of the information listed before my aunt (who’d taken the Bible from my father) had died.
Best Regards ... Johnny Carson (Coventry, UK)
Johnny,
There is a birth for Margaret Jane Barnes on 9th December 1884, in the townland of Tamlaght. Her father John was a beetler (a process in linen finishing). Her mother was Margaret Jane Henry.
Suspect this is her in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cookstown/Loy_St_/1728799/
Here’s her marriage to Thomas Marshall in 1921:
Thomas Hopkins Marshall in the 1911 census in Drumnaglogh:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Oritor/Drumnaglogh/859491/
Thomas’s birth in 1889. Mother was Eliza Craig.
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Elwyn
On Monday, 24 January 2022, 16:03:12 GMT, Lesley Gmail via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I am seeking any information on Thomas Marshall (born around 1880 probably but not definitely in the Kildress area west of Cookstown) who was the husband of my grandaunt “Margaret Barnes” (born 9th December 1884 probably in the Tamlaght or Derrinleagh area of Oritor/Kildress)
There are quite a few erroneously listed family trees on Ancestry that show Margaret Barnes being married to one James Slaine but he was more likely married to her elder sister Maria as my family Bible lists this fact.
The Carson/Barnes family Bible probably had these facts recorded at a time when these people were still alive but unfortunately I can’t 100% verify this as the Bible was “hijacked” some years ago by someone in my family breaking the tradition of it being passed down to the eldest son of each generation. Thankfully I was able to obtain most of the information listed before my aunt (who’d taken the Bible from my father) had died.
Best Regards ... Johnny Carson (Coventry, UK)
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A BIG THANKYOU to you Elwyn 😀
I’d been struggling to find information via Ancestry for Tom Marshall although I’d managed to find quite a bit on his wife (my grandaunt) from various sources.
I was also aware that her father was a linen beetler as that was also the trade of my grandfather Samuel Carson from Derrinleagh, so putting “two and two” together he probably worked at nearby Wellbrook Beetling Mill which I’m hoping to visit later this year and am hoping that they maybe have recorded workers’ details from that period 🤞🏻
Someone in my family a few years back had misinterpreted his occupation (from my father & mother’s marriage certificate) as a “butler” which seemed to fit in nicely with the fact that he and his wife had began their married life together in Antrim at a place named Muckamore Grange. The misconception was that they both worked at this “big house” … he as butler and she as a housemaid 😂
Thankfully when I started working on our ancestry about 12 years ago, I was able to discover that he was in fact a beetler and soon afterwards what his job actually involved.
Best Regards ... Johnny Carson
On 24 Jan 2022, at 16:18, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Johnny,
There is a birth for Margaret Jane Barnes on 9th December 1884, in the townland of Tamlaght. Her father John was a beetler (a process in linen finishing). Her mother was Margaret Jane Henry.
Suspect this is her in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cookstown/Loy_St_/1728799/
Here’s her marriage to Thomas Marshall in 1921:
Thomas Hopkins Marshall in the 1911 census in Drumnaglogh:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Oritor/Drumnaglogh/859491/
Thomas’s birth in 1889. Mother was Eliza Craig.
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Elwyn
On Monday, 24 January 2022, 16:03:12 GMT, Lesley Gmail via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Hello all,
I am seeking any information on Thomas Marshall (born around 1880 probably but not definitely in the Kildress area west of Cookstown) who was the husband of my grandaunt “Margaret Barnes” (born 9th December 1884 probably in the Tamlaght or Derrinleagh area of Oritor/Kildress)
There are quite a few erroneously listed family trees on Ancestry that show Margaret Barnes being married to one James Slaine but he was more likely married to her elder sister Maria as my family Bible lists this fact.
The Carson/Barnes family Bible probably had these facts recorded at a time when these people were still alive but unfortunately I can’t 100% verify this as the Bible was “hijacked” some years ago by someone in my family breaking the tradition of it being passed down to the eldest son of each generation. Thankfully I was able to obtain most of the information listed before my aunt (who’d taken the Bible from my father) had died.
Best Regards ... Johnny Carson (Coventry, UK)
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Johnny,
Glad to have helped.
I know Wellbrook Beetling Mill well. I’d be surprised if it has any employee records. Not the sort of thing that generally survives. (I think it was shut for many years before the National Trust restored it). However I would suggest you e-mail them in advance of your visit to ask. My understanding is there’s a manager who lives locally (I think her family own the land it’s on) and some volunteers – typically local students – who assist with the tours. So you probably need to contact the manager to get any employee records. If there are records they may well have been sent to PRONI in Belfast. So best to find out in advance.
It’s a nice place to visit. Picnic tables by the river. You can walk up by the waterwheel and on up to see the mill race etc. Freshwater mussels breed there so it’s now also a place of special scientific interest. And if you don’t know where the phrase “Pop goes the weasel” originates, you should know after your visit.
There’s one beetling mill still working commercially in Northern Ireland. Clarks at Upperlands. It’s not open to the public (Health & Safety). But they knock out top end linen for Savile Row and similar. If you have a very high quality dinner jacket with shiny black lining, that lining is sometimes beetled linen. (Nowadays many tailors use man made materials but that’s what high quality beetled linen can look like).
Muckamore Grange is a parish. (Grange indicates it was once church land, typically pre Henry VIII and the dissolution of the monasteries). Not a house at all, as you obviously know now. Just a parish not far from Belfast Int. Airport.
Elwyn
On Monday, 24 January 2022, 18:31:25 GMT, Lesley Gmail <johnnydcarson1953@gmail.com> wrote:
A BIG THANKYOU to you Elwyn 😀
I’d been struggling to find information via Ancestry for Tom Marshall although I’d managed to find quite a bit on his wife (my grandaunt) from various sources.I was also aware that her father was a linen beetler as that was also the trade of my grandfather Samuel Carson from Derrinleagh, so putting “two and two” together he probably worked at nearby Wellbrook Beetling Mill which I’m hoping to visit later this year and am hoping that they maybe have recorded workers’ details from that period 🤞🏻Someone in my family a few years back had misinterpreted his occupation (from my father & mother’s marriage certificate) as a “butler” which seemed to fit in nicely with the fact that he and his wife had began their married life together in Antrim at a place named Muckamore Grange. The misconception was that they both worked at this “big house” … he as butler and she as a housemaid 😂Thankfully when I started working on our ancestry about 12 years ago, I was able to discover that he was in fact a beetler and soon afterwards what his job actually involved.
Best Regards ... Johnny Carson
On 24 Jan 2022, at 16:18, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Johnny,
There is a birth for Margaret Jane Barnes on 9th December 1884, in the townland of Tamlaght. Her father John was a beetler (a process in linen finishing). Her mother was Margaret Jane Henry.
Suspect this is her in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cookstown/Loy_St_/1728799/
Here’s her marriage to Thomas Marshall in 1921:
Thomas Hopkins Marshall in the 1911 census in Drumnaglogh:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Oritor/Drumnaglogh/859491/
Thomas’s birth in 1889. Mother was Eliza Craig.
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Elwyn
On Monday, 24 January 2022, 16:03:12 GMT, Lesley Gmail via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I am seeking any information on Thomas Marshall (born around 1880 probably but not definitely in the Kildress area west of Cookstown) who was the husband of my grandaunt “Margaret Barnes” (born 9th December 1884 probably in the Tamlaght or Derrinleagh area of Oritor/Kildress)
There are quite a few erroneously listed family trees on Ancestry that show Margaret Barnes being married to one James Slaine but he was more likely married to her elder sister Maria as my family Bible lists this fact.
The Carson/Barnes family Bible probably had these facts recorded at a time when these people were still alive but unfortunately I can’t 100% verify this as the Bible was “hijacked” some years ago by someone in my family breaking the tradition of it being passed down to the eldest son of each generation. Thankfully I was able to obtain most of the information listed before my aunt (who’d taken the Bible from my father) had died.
Best Regards ... Johnny Carson (Coventry, UK)
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