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That was my understanding too until someone in my local club mentioned it was across the board. I don't know where he got that information though. I'm pretty sure it's just for the Multi.
Speaking of the V2....HOLY COW! I test rode one last weekend and was mightily impressed. I've only ridden my '96 SS, '17 Desert Sled, and a '17 Triumph Street Twin in the last 8 years or so my superbike experience is nil but man...what a bike! When I first got on it I was a little scared of it seeing as how I read it had 150hp and the most powerful bike I'd ever ridden was my friend's 2002 R1 which he said dyno'd at 130hp. And the V2 seating position was more extreme than any bike I had ridden in 25 years. But once I got going, it was so manageable and to my surprise, very comfortable. It was fast, no doubt, but I had no problem dialing it up to triple digit speeds and feeling very comfortable. Matter of fact, I didn't even know I was into triple digits until I happened to glance at the IP. Then I eased off the throttle, downshifted, and ripped through the gears again. Wow! What fun! I found myself wondering what I could sell to afford it!
Mario
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Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 8:54 AM
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Subject: [Ducati] No Desmo V4?
Huge - but only in the Multi V4 right so far? Maybe that's yet another way they distance their superbikes from the rest of the line? 170HP is pretty tame by today's standards (although more than mere mortals can use anyway).
Half hoping the prices on V2 Multis come down a bit more - somehow I'm thinking a 2 for 1 swap back on to a Multi again.
Pags
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.commailto:mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anyway, no discussion on the new desmo-less V4? That's pretty big news, no?
Zero dollar offer is borderline insulting, given that they must know the
new rear Michelin is probably a factor.
Ducati must consider that Dovi would relay any negative or perceived harm
he may have gone through to other riders, specially Ducati riders cuch as
Pecco and Miller. Why would he hold back the truth, if asked?
That alone increases the pressure on the new guys to perform, as they see
you've got no credit earned for how many races you gave 110% to beat an
alien like Márquez.
No matter how many times you tell Pecco to take it easy, deep down he knows
he must give it all and ride around the issues.
Just this weekend he was talking about "being embarassed" to not have found
the pace, and then crashed during the race...
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 06:27 Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:
I read Ducati didn’t make Dovi an offer of any amount.
Vicki
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:23 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
I hear you. As far as Dovi goes, probably true, but he'll also be making
close to $0 next season at this rate, so maybe he should have caved a bit.
Petrucci can't be that expensive, right? WSBK salaries can't be that much
comparatively either. Kawaski keeps paying Rea and Ducati has had their
biggest sales years in history recently.
Honestly, I think it's cool to see the young crew coming up. Rossi has
set the bar high for retirement and some guys hang on way too long without
his pedigree. To think JLo and Dani started AFTER and retired BEFORE him
(Stoner too, and Nicky was out of GP before his accident).
Pags
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:09 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:
Based on no insider knowledge whatsoever, it does seem to be salary
based decision making. Reminds me of rider shopping in fantasy league. The
salary cap is the number one factor.
I understand it’s a business, and the less you pay guys that can “sell
on Monday” just makes dollars and sense. But Chaz and “Desmo Dovi” have
long history’s as brand ambassadors and no paths to stay with the brand
just makes us all sad. There is no doubt next season will be a bit less
meaningful to Ducati fans like Sandro and his family.
It’s hard to know how tough things are after a year of Covid reality
with VW rattling about selling brands again, empty grandstands and sponsors
dropping like flies. I’m grateful all the series I love like GP, SBK and
AFT all managed to pull off seasons. Sadly there were bound to be
casualties.
Vicki
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It’s possible that Dovi’s manager approached Ducati with a salary demand so high that they never even opened negotiations. Clearly Ducati didn’t go to Dovi and say “we will pay you $0”. If Dovi said “I want such-and-such amount of money and I will not budge”, then there would be no point in Ducati making a counter offer.
On Oct 19, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Sandro Reis sandro.f.reis@gmail.com wrote:
Zero dollar offer is borderline insulting, given that they must know the new rear Michelin is probably a factor.
Ducati must consider that Dovi would relay any negative or perceived harm he may have gone through to other riders, specially Ducati riders cuch as Pecco and Miller. Why would he hold back the truth, if asked?
That alone increases the pressure on the new guys to perform, as they see you've got no credit earned for how many races you gave 110% to beat an alien like Márquez.
No matter how many times you tell Pecco to take it easy, deep down he knows he must give it all and ride around the issues.
Just this weekend he was talking about "being embarassed" to not have found the pace, and then crashed during the race...
He's seemingly been miserable there for a while. His lashing out at
Petrucci is an indicator of that too - feels betrayed by the whole system
there.
Still, he's in the hunt for the championship - which is unbelievable to
me. If he pulls it off it will be the biggest FU in MotoGP history for
sure!
Pags
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:30 PM Scott Taylor scotttaylor2@comcast.net
wrote:
It’s possible that Dovi’s manager approached Ducati with a salary demand
so high that they never even opened negotiations. Clearly Ducati didn’t go
to Dovi and say “we will pay you $0”. If Dovi said “I want such-and-such
amount of money and I will not budge”, then there would be no point in
Ducati making a counter offer.
Moonbeam here… It’s been a really crappy year for sure. I just finished watching Chaz Davise’s final Ducati race, great to see him win but coverage has been so spotty all year, sure miss Bein sports. On the other hand the last MotoAmerica race included what was billed as a factory entry resulting in a race 2 win… I hope that portends a serious Ducati effort here in North America for next year. I don’t have a Duck right now but on race weekend I still bleed Ducati red, even though the bikes in my garage now are Royal Infield and Moto Guzzi. Stay safe, and I hope to see some of you at the track again in the next couple years…Moonbeam AKA Mike Major.
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On Monday, October 19, 2020, 10:04, Sandro Reis sandro.f.reis@gmail.com wrote:
Zero dollar offer is borderline insulting, given that they must know the new rear Michelin is probably a factor.
Ducati must consider that Dovi would relay any negative or perceived harm he may have gone through to other riders, specially Ducati riders cuch as Pecco and Miller. Why would he hold back the truth, if asked?
That alone increases the pressure on the new guys to perform, as they see you've got no credit earned for how many races you gave 110% to beat an alien like Márquez.
No matter how many times you tell Pecco to take it easy, deep down he knows he must give it all and ride around the issues.
Just this weekend he was talking about "being embarassed" to not have found the pace, and then crashed during the race...
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 06:27 Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:
I read Ducati didn’t make Dovi an offer of any amount. Vicki
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:23 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
I hear you. As far as Dovi goes, probably true, but he'll also be making close to $0 next season at this rate, so maybe he should have caved a bit. Petrucci can't be that expensive, right? WSBK salaries can't be that much comparatively either. Kawaski keeps paying Rea and Ducati has had their biggest sales years in history recently.
Honestly, I think it's cool to see the young crew coming up. Rossi has set the bar high for retirement and some guys hang on way too long without his pedigree. To think JLo and Dani started AFTER and retired BEFORE him (Stoner too, and Nicky was out of GP before his accident).
Pags
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:09 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:
Based on no insider knowledge whatsoever, it does seem to be salary based decision making. Reminds me of rider shopping in fantasy league. The salary cap is the number one factor.
I understand it’s a business, and the less you pay guys that can “sell on Monday” just makes dollars and sense. But Chaz and “Desmo Dovi” have long history’s as brand ambassadors and no paths to stay with the brand just makes us all sad. There is no doubt next season will be a bit less meaningful to Ducati fans like Sandro and his family.
It’s hard to know how tough things are after a year of Covid reality with VW rattling about selling brands again, empty grandstands and sponsors dropping like flies. I’m grateful all the series I love like GP, SBK and AFT all managed to pull off seasons. Sadly there were bound to be casualties.
Vicki
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