Future Of Motors/Motorcycles Or whatever we're gonna start calling them. Long and possibly inaccurate.

GG
Gleeb Gliber Galactica Gavorti
Wed, Aug 5, 2020 4:36 PM

--- I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is
becoming a problem

Oh my word, yes.  I just didn't want to go there.  Honestly it's no longer
future tense (the problem) because the direction we are in is SO firmly
established.  This is like the heyday when we still had SOMETHING of a
choice as to which "features" our bikes (cars, etc) possess.  We are
becoming more and more like passengers in our bikes/vehicles as opposed to
riders.  Cars, especially, but bikes are only a few years behind, if at all.

Ride Well!

Gabriel

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:33:39 +0000
From: Gene Hunt Twolanefun@outlook.com
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I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is
becoming a problem. Also in most cases you only have a license for the
software, which without it the motorcycle is pretty much art. - Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's -  02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200


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Galactica Gavorti uncleixel@gmail.com
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Subject: [Ducati] NDC Good article on the future or motors/emissions and
sciency stuff describing same, moto rambling

hey and hi, All

I generally don't have time these days to read much new moto related stuff,
partially because I just miss my 92 Supersport so much & plan an '89 FZR400
as my next project so don't concern myself. (Read: Can't Afford A New Bike
That I'd Prefer owning as well)

But this was a good read.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/inside-ktm-890-duke-r/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-Poh-142FsP-1c-4tBw-1c-142Yiv-l4vkcp4wHT-1XfrB1

If not a bit disappointing.  Anyways, I've had a taste of some of the
electronic-wizardry-clad stuff that is becoming the norm, even on dirt
bikes, and OMG TC and ABS are actually useful (now).  Fell in love with a
1290 Duke after about 3 seconds.

What saddened me is a recent conversation I had with a new rider who
rationalized he needed something that did everything for him as his first
bike so he could concentrate on learning other aspects of riding (not
letting stuff hit you for example).  He certainly has a point.  But I
always advise people who want to learn to ride to start off-road if at all
possible an/or start with a dual sport (less stuff to break also) .  Learn
limits of traction and what it's like to surpass them (repeatedly), that
it's OK to crash (because you're WEARING GEAR) (again, repeatedly), teaches
the perils of target fixation (repeatedly) without particularly negative
results and tends to establish good habits and knowledge you can never
learn on the streets.  I'd say the same thing about track riding, but the
stakes are still far higher, bikes clostier (?), crashing still far more
annoying, and is far less convenient (for most).

Damn...  I need a track day now.

OK back to work so I can afford to build the FZR (hope to make it part time
track tool) back up.

RIDE WELL!

Gabriel
2010 Strada 1200S
2015 1290 KTM SA
1989 FZR400 (because Good RZ350's Costs about what I paid for my 1290)
1990 Kawasaki ZXR250R -Ca Plated, De-Restricted Model (yes they even
restrict 250's) 19,000 rpm novelty but sounds fantastic.  Selling -I'd keep
if it was a 400
2004 KTM EXC400

All things in moderation (Especially moderation).

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:42:59 -0700
From: Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
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Well, this sucks. I know it is all part of the game, but victories for
anyone else would be sweeter if they were also beating Marquez.
Still, it might prove to be an interesting season, short, intense. I hope
Rossi can at least podium a few more times, so we can watch him greet the
empty grandstands in celebration again.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 at 13:19, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:

Game over.

MM93 more surgery.

Will miss BRNO and possibly the next.

It?s your chance Dovi!! Vi?ales?

Quartararo 2020 *Champion If he continues to show the rest how to ride a

GP

bike.  :P

?

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--- I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is becoming a problem Oh my word, yes. I just didn't want to go there. Honestly it's no longer future tense (the problem) because the direction we are in is SO firmly established. This is like the heyday when we still had SOMETHING of a choice as to which "features" our bikes (cars, etc) possess. We are becoming more and more like passengers in our bikes/vehicles as opposed to riders. Cars, especially, but bikes are only a few years behind, if at all. Ride Well! Gabriel > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:33:39 +0000 > From: Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] NDC Good article on the future or > motors/emissions and sciency stuff describing same, moto rambling > Message-ID: > < > BLAPR03MB54585AB8E17A791E7DD52BE3CB4D0@BLAPR03MB5458.namprd03.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is > becoming a problem. Also in most cases you only have a license for the > software, which without it the motorcycle is pretty much art. - Gene > > > "I Know a Few Roads" > Patriot Guard Rider > AMA Charter Life Member #598925 > Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club > DUCATI.net Member > USDESMO Member #1263 > EX-MSF Instructor > EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club > > Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour > Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel > HD - 09' XR1200 > > > ________________________________ > From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Gleeb Gliber > Galactica Gavorti <uncleixel@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:17 PM > To: ducati@ducati.net <ducati@ducati.net> > Subject: [Ducati] NDC Good article on the future or motors/emissions and > sciency stuff describing same, moto rambling > > hey and hi, All > > I generally don't have time these days to read much new moto related stuff, > partially because I just miss my 92 Supersport so much & plan an '89 FZR400 > as my next project so don't concern myself. (Read: Can't Afford A New Bike > That I'd Prefer owning as well) > > But this was a good read. > > https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/inside-ktm-890-duke-r/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-Poh-142FsP-1c-4tBw-1c-142Yiv-l4vkcp4wHT-1XfrB1 > > > If not a bit disappointing. Anyways, I've had a taste of some of the > electronic-wizardry-clad stuff that is becoming the norm, even on dirt > bikes, and OMG TC and ABS are actually useful (now). Fell in love with a > 1290 Duke after about 3 seconds. > > What saddened me is a recent conversation I had with a new rider who > rationalized he needed something that did everything for him as his first > bike so he could concentrate on learning other aspects of riding (not > letting stuff hit you for example). He certainly has a point. But I > always advise people who want to learn to ride to start off-road if at all > possible an/or start with a dual sport (less stuff to break also) . Learn > limits of traction and what it's like to surpass them (repeatedly), that > it's OK to crash (because you're WEARING GEAR) (again, repeatedly), teaches > the perils of target fixation (repeatedly) without particularly negative > results and tends to establish good habits and knowledge you can never > learn on the streets. I'd say the same thing about track riding, but the > stakes are still far higher, bikes clostier (?), crashing still far more > annoying, and is far less convenient (for most). > > Damn... I need a track day now. > > OK back to work so I can afford to build the FZR (hope to make it part time > track tool) back up. > > RIDE WELL! > > Gabriel > 2010 Strada 1200S > 2015 1290 KTM SA > 1989 FZR400 (because Good RZ350's Costs about what I paid for my 1290) > 1990 Kawasaki ZXR250R -Ca Plated, De-Restricted Model (yes they even > restrict 250's) 19,000 rpm novelty but sounds fantastic. Selling -I'd keep > if it was a 400 > 2004 KTM EXC400 > -- > > All things in moderation (Especially moderation). > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: twolanefun@outlook.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:42:59 -0700 > From: Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Andaluc?a SPOILER (apologies to Stephen) > Message-ID: > < > CAEni7FMHuGtSJGsZbDd_KJA0cof603qr4RsJjfcA3Vo59KGirw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Well, this sucks. I know it is all part of the game, but victories for > anyone else would be sweeter if they were also beating Marquez. > Still, it might prove to be an interesting season, short, intense. I hope > Rossi can at least podium a few more times, so we can watch him greet the > empty grandstands in celebration again. > > On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 at 13:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Game over. > > > > MM93 more surgery. > > > > Will miss BRNO and possibly the next. > > > > It?s your chance Dovi!! Vi?ales? > > > > Quartararo 2020 *Champion If he continues to show the rest how to ride a > GP > > bike. :P > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > Check out Ductalk.com for an addictive mix of the best Ducati news items. > > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Ducati Digest, Vol 117, Issue 176 > **************************************** > -- All things in moderation (Especially moderation).
TP
Tony Pags
Wed, Aug 5, 2020 4:51 PM

Forget all that - talk to me about your FZR400.  I kinda' know those bikes
pretty well.

Pags

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:37 PM Gleeb Gliber Galactica Gavorti <
uncleixel@gmail.com> wrote:

--- I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is
becoming a problem

Forget all that - talk to me about your FZR400. I kinda' know those bikes pretty well. Pags On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:37 PM Gleeb Gliber Galactica Gavorti < uncleixel@gmail.com> wrote: > --- I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is > becoming a problem > >