Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty: https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501706582118402 -- peer

How is that bullshit? With the rules as posted (and I posted the exact same thing earlier), there is little room for interpretation. He didn't even have the stop after the minor movement, he just continued. I'd much rather see them rule by the letter of the rulebook than by interpretation. And all the "If MM93 or VR46 did that" speculation is just that, speculation. Pags On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:08 PM Peer Landa <peer@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote: > > Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty: > > https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501706582118402 > > -- peer > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >

Peer, Get with the program, mate. On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:49 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > How is that bullshit? With the rules as posted (and I posted the exact same > thing earlier), there is little room for interpretation. He didn't even > have the stop after the minor movement, he just continued. I'd much rather > see them rule by the letter of the rulebook than by interpretation. > > And all the "If MM93 or VR46 did that" speculation is just that, > speculation. > > Pags > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:08 PM Peer Landa <peer@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote: > > > > > Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty: > > > > https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501706582118402 > > > > -- peer > > > > > > > > > > > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

At the risk of prolonging this necessarily (ducking), is it not much less about the rule or discretion in applying the rule, rather the severity of the penalty? Whether there was any meaningful advantage or not. It is clear on video that a rule was violated (technical or not does not matter), but did it have to be a ride-through?  No. That's where some discretion could be applied. Perhaps time, a few places or the long track. Problem is that once a tougher penalty is applied you cant go back and give the rider the time or place back again if later discretion assures that it was too tough for the actual infraction.  -------- Original message --------From: Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> Date: 4/1/19 1:48 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Cal Crutchlow’s so-called "jump start" ... How is that bullshit? With the rules as posted (and I posted the exact samething earlier), there is little room for interpretation.  He didn't evenhave the stop after the minor movement, he just continued.  I'd much rathersee them rule by the letter of the rulebook than by interpretation.And all the "If MM93 or VR46 did that" speculation is just that,speculation.PagsOn Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:08 PM Peer Landa <peer@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:>> Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty:>> https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501706582118402>> -- peer>>>>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:> http://www.ductalk.com/> and> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet> _____________________> Ducati mailing list> Ducati@list.ducati.net> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com>To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:http://www.ductalk.com/andhttps://www.facebook.com/ducnet_____________________Ducati mailing listDucati@list.ducati.nethttp://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.netMailto: sftompkins@gmail.com

Yeah they’ve got some pretty tough penalties. Ride through pretty much destroys the rider’s weekend.. unless the rider is MM93 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:54 PM sftompkins <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: > At the risk of prolonging this necessarily (ducking), is it not much less > about the rule or discretion in applying the rule, rather the severity of > the penalty? Whether there was any meaningful advantage or not. It is clear > on video that a rule was violated (technical or not does not matter), but > did it have to be a ride-through? No. That's where some discretion could > be applied. Perhaps time, a few places or the long track. Problem is that > once a tougher penalty is applied you cant go back and give the rider the > time or place back again if later discretion assures that it was too tough > for the actual infraction. > -------- Original message --------From: Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> > Date: 4/1/19 1:48 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Ducati Owners Group < > ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] > Cal Crutchlow’s so-called "jump start" ... How is that bullshit? > With the rules as posted (and I posted the exact samething earlier), there > is little room for interpretation. He didn't evenhave the stop after the > minor movement, he just continued. I'd much rathersee them rule by the > letter of the rulebook than by interpretation.And all the "If MM93 or VR46 > did that" speculation is just that,speculation.PagsOn Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at > 4:08 PM Peer Landa <peer@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:>> Never liked the > guy, but this is a bullshit penalty:>> > https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501706582118402>> -- peer>>>>>>>>> > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:> > http://www.ductalk.com/> and> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet> > _____________________> Ducati mailing list> Ducati@list.ducati.net> > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net> Mailto: > ajpags@gmail.com>To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/andhttps://www.facebook.com/ducnet_____________________Ducati > mailing listDucati@list.ducati.nethttp:// > list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.netMailto: > sftompkins@gmail.com > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

That is certainly another discussion, and the penalty does seem harsh. My guess is that it may be reviewed in the future(as most rules that result in a lot of controversy seem to be), but they can’t do it this season without blowing up the controversy even further. >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:54 PM sftompkins <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> At the risk of prolonging this necessarily (ducking), is it not much less >> about the rule or discretion in applying the rule, rather the severity of >> the penalty? Whether there was any meaningful advantage or not. It is clear >> on video that a rule was violated (technical or not does not matter), but >> did it have to be a ride-through? No. That's where some discretion could >> be applied. Perhaps time, a few places or the long track. Problem is that >> once a tougher penalty is applied you cant go back and give the rider the >> time or place back again if later discretion assures that it was too tough >> for the actual infraction. >> -------- Original message --------From: Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> >> Date: 4/1/19 1:48 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Ducati Owners Group < >> ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] >> Cal Crutchlow’s so-called "jump start" ... How is that bullshit? >> With the rules as posted (and I posted the exact samething earlier), there >> is little room for interpretation. He didn't evenhave the stop after the >> minor movement, he just continued. I'd much rathersee them rule by the >> letter of the rulebook than by interpretation.And all the "If MM93 or VR46 >> did that" speculation is just that,speculation.PagsOn Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at >> 4:08 PM Peer Landa <peer@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:>> Never liked the >> guy, but this is a bullshit penalty:>> >> https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501706582118402>> -- peer>>>>>>>>> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:> >> http://www.ductalk.com/> and> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet> >> _____________________> Ducati mailing list> Ducati@list.ducati.net> >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net> Mailto: >> ajpags@gmail.com>To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/andhttps://www.facebook.com/ducnet_____________________Ducati >> mailing listDucati@list.ducati.nethttp:// >> list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.netMailto: >> sftompkins@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com >> > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: scotttaylor2@comcast.net