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AJ Staley

Thu, Jan 13, 2022 6:33 AM

Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the information given is accurate. If it exists at all.

I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc.

ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my daughter to keep until I back up again for her.

Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if your computer goes down.

Anjeannette Staley

From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; 'Gordon Wilkinson' gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' neredon@ozemail.com.au; M L Jarvis mljarvis.74@gmail.com; Shirley Harper teran81gan@bigpond.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess.

You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/ http://www.familysearch.org/ for better information.

Advice. Do your own research!!

Shirley

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From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM
To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com ; 'Gordon Wilkinson' mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au ; M L Jarvis mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly.

We could also list GEDmatch numbers.

And, yes, I can help create the table!

Mary

PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership.

From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM
To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au >; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au >; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com mailto:jamckane@gmail.com >
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > wrote:

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

J W (Bill) Young

+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)

+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the information given is accurate. If it exists at all. I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc. ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my daughter to keep until I back up again for her. Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if your computer goes down. Anjeannette Staley From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis <mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; Shirley Harper <teran81gan@bigpond.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess. You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/ <http://www.familysearch.org/> for better information. Advice. Do your own research!! Shirley Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> ; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au> ; M L Jarvis <mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. We could also list GEDmatch numbers. And, yes, I can help create the table! Mary PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership. From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au <mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> >; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au <mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au> >; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome - 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > wrote: An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

BY

Bill Young

Thu, Jan 13, 2022 12:15 PM

Hi Jim

Is it necessary to do more than post a list of subscribers with a few fields for names and places of interest? By posting to the site, each would implicitly be agreeing to answer occasional direct enquiries, or perhaps to give access to a gedcom file.

Best

Bill

Bill Young
+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)
+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:33:39 AM
To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; 'Gordon Wilkinson' gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' neredon@ozemail.com.au; 'M L Jarvis' mljarvis.74@gmail.com; AJ Staley ajstaley40@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the information given is accurate. If it exists at all.

I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc.

ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my daughter to keep until I back up again for her.

Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if your computer goes down.

Anjeannette Staley

From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; 'Gordon Wilkinson' gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' neredon@ozemail.com.au; M L Jarvis mljarvis.74@gmail.com; Shirley Harper teran81gan@bigpond.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess.

You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/http://www.familysearch.org/ for better information.

Advice. Do your own research!!

Shirley

Sent from Mailhttps://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows

From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneListmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM
To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List'mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; 'Gordon Wilkinson'mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson'mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au; M L Jarvismailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly.

We could also list GEDmatch numbers.

And, yes, I can help create the table!

Mary

PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership.

From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM
To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

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Hi Jim Is it necessary to do more than post a list of subscribers with a few fields for names and places of interest? By posting to the site, each would implicitly be agreeing to answer occasional direct enquiries, or perhaps to give access to a gedcom file. Best Bill Bill Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ________________________________ From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:33:39 AM To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; 'M L Jarvis' <mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; AJ Staley <ajstaley40@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the information given is accurate. If it exists at all. I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc. ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my daughter to keep until I back up again for her. Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if your computer goes down. Anjeannette Staley From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis <mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; Shirley Harper <teran81gan@bigpond.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess. You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/<http://www.familysearch.org/> for better information. Advice. Do your own research!! Shirley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List'<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson'<mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson'<mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis<mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. We could also list GEDmatch numbers. And, yes, I can help create the table! Mary PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership. From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au<mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au<mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome - 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. Best regards Bill J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

JM

James McKane

Thu, Jan 13, 2022 1:00 PM

Bill - to me that would go without saying or am I misunderstanding
something??

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:58 AM Bill Young via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hi Jim

Is it necessary to do more than post a list of subscribers with a few
fields for names and places of interest? By posting to the site, each
would implicitly be agreeing to answer occasional direct enquiries, or
perhaps to give access to a gedcom file.

Best

Bill

Bill Young
+41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal)
+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:33:39 AM
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cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <
gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' neredon@ozemail.com.au; 'M L Jarvis' <
mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; AJ Staley ajstaley40@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from
Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take
anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the
information given is accurate. If it exists at all.

I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy)
and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or
family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything.
Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer.
Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of
person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc.

ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source
and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I
also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my
daughter to keep until I back up again for her.

Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is
easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if
your computer goes down.

Anjeannette Staley

From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <
gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' neredon@ozemail.com.au; M L Jarvis <
mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; Shirley Harper teran81gan@bigpond.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are
now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their
details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess.

You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/ for better
information.

Advice. Do your own research!!

Shirley

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*Subject: *[CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the
trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all
that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly.

We could also list GEDmatch numbers.

And, yes, I can help create the table!

Mary

PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission
to do so by having been granted ownership.

From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM
To: Gordon Wilkinson gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au;
CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au; James McKane <
jamckane@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a
Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end
which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping
dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid
seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going
to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this
area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend
anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and
Ancestry trees are

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living
relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard
skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give
the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most
productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and
contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been
immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from
'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big.
I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and
still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.)
when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and
available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree
data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues
but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on
the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who
post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

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Bill - to me that would go without saying or am I misunderstanding something?? Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:58 AM Bill Young via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Hi Jim > > Is it necessary to do more than post a list of subscribers with a few > fields for names and places of interest? By posting to the site, each > would implicitly be agreeing to answer occasional direct enquiries, or > perhaps to give access to a gedcom file. > > Best > > Bill > > Bill Young > +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) > +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) > ------------------------------ > *From:* AJ Staley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:33:39 AM > *To:* 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' < > gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> > *Cc:* 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; 'M L Jarvis' < > mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; AJ Staley <ajstaley40@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees > > > Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from > Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take > anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the > information given is accurate. If it exists at all. > > > > I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) > and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or > family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. > Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. > Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of > person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc. > > > > ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source > and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I > also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my > daughter to keep until I back up again for her. > > > > Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is > easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if > your computer goes down. > > > > Anjeannette Staley > > > > > > *From:* Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' < > gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> > *Cc:* 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis < > mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; Shirley Harper <teran81gan@bigpond.com> > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees > > > > Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are > now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their > details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess. > > You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/ for better > information. > > > > Advice. Do your own research!! > > > > Shirley > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows > > > > *From: *M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM > *To: *'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' > <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> > *Cc: *'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis > <mljarvis.74@gmail.com> > *Subject: *[CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees > > > > Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the > trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all > that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. > > > > We could also list GEDmatch numbers. > > > > And, yes, I can help create the table! > > > > Mary > > > > PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission > to do so by having been granted ownership. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* James McKane via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM > *To:* Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; > CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Cc:* Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane < > jamckane@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees > > > > Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a > Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. > > > > Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end > which would have to be overcome - > > > > 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping > dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid > seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going > to cover ongoing expenses > > 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software > > 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this > area from a previous life......... it takes TIME > > 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend > anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and > Ancestry trees are > > > > Jim > > > > > > > Jim McKane > > Kitchener, Ontario > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living > relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard > skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give > the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most > productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and > contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been > immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from > 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. > I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and > still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) > when I get time. > > The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and > available only to select relatives. > > Gordon > > On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: > > I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. > > > > Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree > data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues > but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on > the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who > post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. > > > > Best regards > > > > Bill > > > > J W (Bill) Young > > +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) > > +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) > > > > > > ================================= > > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

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Bill Young

Thu, Jan 13, 2022 1:56 PM

Hi Jim

I probably misunderstood (it happens, too frequently) because I inferred from your earlier mail that CoTyroneIreland foresaw itself involved with actual hosting and access-management of family tree data, requiring the purchase of Gedcom software and the validation of changes. I imaged only a single-page file with a record for each person who is willing to share family tree data, and enough fields in each record to give readers an idea of family- and place-names of interest, and a reference either to the owner’s email or to their site for download.

I don’t recommend for a second that CoTyroneIreland be distracted from its outstandingly executed core activity. No-one would accept that…!

Best regards

Bill

P.S. Have just checked that my ad-blocker is turned ‘OFF’, and have removed it for good measure.

J W (Bill) Young
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+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

From: James McKane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: 13 January 2022 14:00
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au; M L Jarvis mljarvis.74@gmail.com; James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Bill - to me that would go without saying or am I misunderstanding something??

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:58 AM Bill Young via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hi Jim
Is it necessary to do more than post a list of subscribers with a few fields for names and places of interest? By posting to the site, each would implicitly be agreeing to answer occasional direct enquiries, or perhaps to give access to a gedcom file.
Best
Bill

Bill Young
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+44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)

From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:33:39 AM
To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>; 'M L Jarvis' <mljarvis.74@gmail.com mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; AJ Staley <ajstaley40@gmail.com mailto:ajstaley40@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the information given is accurate. If it exists at all.

I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc.

ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my daughter to keep until I back up again for her.

Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if your computer goes down.

Anjeannette Staley

From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis <mljarvis.74@gmail.com mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; Shirley Harper <teran81gan@bigpond.com mailto:teran81gan@bigpond.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess.

You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/http://www.familysearch.org/ for better information.

Advice. Do your own research!!

Shirley

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From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneListmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM
To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List'mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; 'Gordon Wilkinson'mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au
Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson'mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au; M L Jarvismailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly.

We could also list GEDmatch numbers.

And, yes, I can help create the table!

Mary

PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership.

From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM
To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees

Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue.

Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome -

currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses
to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software
we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME
I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time.

The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives.

Gordon

On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote:

I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.

Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.

Best regards

Bill

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Hi Jim I probably misunderstood (it happens, too frequently) because I inferred from your earlier mail that CoTyroneIreland foresaw itself involved with actual hosting and access-management of family tree data, requiring the purchase of Gedcom software and the validation of changes. I imaged only a single-page file with a record for each person who is willing to share family tree data, and enough fields in each record to give readers an idea of family- and place-names of interest, and a reference either to the owner’s email or to their site for download. I don’t recommend for a second that CoTyroneIreland be distracted from its outstandingly executed core activity. No-one would accept that…! Best regards Bill P.S. Have just checked that my ad-blocker is turned ‘OFF’, and have removed it for good measure. J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: 13 January 2022 14:00 To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis <mljarvis.74@gmail.com>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Bill - to me that would go without saying or am I misunderstanding something?? Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:58 AM Bill Young via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Hi Jim Is it necessary to do more than post a list of subscribers with a few fields for names and places of interest? By posting to the site, each would implicitly be agreeing to answer occasional direct enquiries, or perhaps to give access to a gedcom file. Best Bill Bill Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) ________________________________ From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:33:39 AM To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au<mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au<mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>>; 'M L Jarvis' <mljarvis.74@gmail.com<mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com>>; AJ Staley <ajstaley40@gmail.com<mailto:ajstaley40@gmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Shirley Harper, I have to agree with you. If you use any information from Ancestry trees, please watch out for the documentation. I never take anything for granted and always do my own research make sure that the information given is accurate. If it exists at all. I also keep my own information on my own computer program (I use Legacy) and I have a research log file listing of all records for each person or family I research, where I have searched, and what I found if anything. Copies of all documents are scanned and put into files on the computer. Any pictures are identified and kept in an alphabetical file With name of person(s), date of Birth and/or date of picture, event, if known, etc. ALL FILES are backed up each evening by two sources. An external source and the cloud or trusted data service, and it is done automatically. I also periodically make a back-up (at least twice a month) to send to my daughter to keep until I back up again for her. Research and redoing files and records takes a lot of extra time. It is easier to retrieve the files from another source than to lose everything if your computer goes down. Anjeannette Staley From: Shirley Harper via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:43 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; 'Gordon Wilkinson' <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au<mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson' <neredon@ozemail.com.au<mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>>; M L Jarvis <mljarvis.74@gmail.com<mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com>>; Shirley Harper <teran81gan@bigpond.com<mailto:teran81gan@bigpond.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess. You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/<http://www.familysearch.org/> for better information. Advice. Do your own research!! Shirley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List'<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; 'Gordon Wilkinson'<mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au> Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson'<mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>; M L Jarvis<mailto:mljarvis.74@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. We could also list GEDmatch numbers. And, yes, I can help create the table! Mary PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership. From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au<mailto:gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au<mailto:neredon@ozemail.com.au>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome - 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. 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