"This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore to
lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-)"
Funny you should mention that, the only bike in the garage I have a problem with is my Diavel when I have the shad bags and passenger backrest installed. I found it easiest to mount it from the opposite side swinging my left leg straight at it. The XR is a bit tall but there are no impediments to swinging my leg over.
I once watched Gary Nixon in the paddock at Daytona when he was racing on the "pair of nines" team with Jay Springsteen, they had build a step for him in the pits to get on the bike. I did not get to witness how he got off.
I've often wondered how one would remount on the trail after a get off on one of those tall ADV bikes.
I still wonder why they have to be that way the new KTM 790 has a very reasonable seat, even on the R version.
Gene
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To: Ducati Owners Group
Subject: Re: [Ducati] bike mounting procedure question
Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this method on
a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount the
kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong, you're
in for a massive repair bill.
Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight,
check them regularly, and use loctite too.
The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over the
bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over.
This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore to
lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-)
Pags
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
Hey guys,
I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have
always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg
over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years ago I
bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really
short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap
anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my leg
over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I was
looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He says
that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand he
puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his
right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before but
it always leaves me queasy.
So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not produce
a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the
frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either.
The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs,
probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your
bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike?
Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting
procedure?
I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot
easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy putting
that much weight on one single point of failure.
Mario
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I believe it belonged to a guy I made some club patches for...Ducati Club of Canada. I think he's a member of this list. IIRC, his wife's name was Sue and he built her a Honda CX500 to look like a Guzzi. Maybe I have all the affiliations mixed up...wife/club/bikes.... man, getting old sucks...I can't remember anything.
Mario
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] bike mounting procedure question
Mario
Not mine I had a red and black CX 100 Le Mans. I have no idea whose bike
you have photos of.
Thanks for the offer though that is very kin0
Jim
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:09 AM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
BTW Jim,
Was it you who used to have/still have a sky blue Moto Guzzi with brown
leather saddlebags? If it was you, for some reason I have some really nice
pics of it. If you'd like them I'd be more than happy to send them to you.
Mario
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Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] bike mounting procedure question
I think Tony nailed it you must be sure the bolts holding the side stand on
are tight. Almost all the failures of Ducati cases come from the bolts not
being tight. What makes the decision for me is how far over the bike
leans. Older Ducati like the 916 lean over so far I would never trust the
foot on the peg and stand method. What I do with my Hypermotard when I
have luggage on the back is the method Tony refers to as the Karate Kick. I
just lift my right leg up and grab the cuff with my right hand and lift my
foot over the seat.
Jim
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:49 AM Ryan K. Santoso <rsantoso.forums@gmail.com
wrote:
That’s the only way I can get on my BMW GS (at 5’7”). But the GS has a
beefy as hell stand. I don’t know the case for the Desert Sled.
Ryan
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On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this
method
on
a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount
the
kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong,
you're
in for a massive repair bill.
Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight,
check them regularly, and use loctite too.
The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over
the
bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over.
This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore
to
lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-)
Pags
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hey guys,
I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and
have
always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right
leg
over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years
ago I
bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a
really
short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap
anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my
leg
over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I
was
looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He
says
that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand
he
puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings
his
right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that
before
but
it always leaves me queasy.
So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not
produce
a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on
the
frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking
either.
The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm
180lbs,
probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount
your
bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike?
Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this
mounting
procedure?
I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot
easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy
putting
that much weight on one single point of failure.
Mario
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That's Rene Waters. I'm not sure how to reach him but somebody here might have a current email.
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On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
I believe it belonged to a guy I made some club patches for...Ducati Club of Canada. I think he's a member of this list. IIRC, his wife's name was Sue and he built her a Honda CX500 to look like a Guzzi. Maybe I have all the affiliations mixed up...wife/club/bikes.... man, getting old sucks...I can't remember anything.
Mario
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Mario
Not mine I had a red and black CX 100 Le Mans. I have no idea whose bike
you have photos of.
Thanks for the offer though that is very kin0
Jim
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:09 AM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
BTW Jim,
Was it you who used to have/still have a sky blue Moto Guzzi with brown
leather saddlebags? If it was you, for some reason I have some really nice
pics of it. If you'd like them I'd be more than happy to send them