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Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1588, Issue 1

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Lizanne Smith
Sat, Sep 28, 2024 2:09 PM

Thank you all very much for your wisdom. Ed, I see the real possibilty of
my ancestor being "Mary Margaret" and needing to be distinguished from her
sister"Mary Ann" who, I failed to mention may have been in the same voyage
as Ann Conway.
Lizanne McGarvey Smith

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1. Re: 1851 Female naming pattern question
   (edward.lowitz1@verizon.net)

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:10:15 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: 1851 Female naming pattern question
To: Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList
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All good points (which I wished I had mentioned) but just to complicate
things a bit further, the name "Mary Margaret" with both names being the
person's Given Name (i.e. the 'first name' is Mary Margaret) is not
uncommon.
If the family had one daughter named Mary Margaret and one named Mary Ann.
they may have referred to the one as Margaret and to the other as Ann (or
some other variation).  I do have a nephew who is called by the second part
of his first name.
Ed.

 On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 08:42:07 PM EDT, Gordon Wilkinson

via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

In our Family Bible, my great grandmother is recorded as both Margaret
and Margret on the same page but in different places. Margt being an
abbreviation of Margaret/Margret. Literacy was not a strong point in the
19thC. ☹️
Gordon

On 27/09/2024 4:50 am, Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList wrote:

Have you seen the original rather than just a transcript?  I always
double-check when Margt/Mary occurs as it?s easy to get it wrong.  But as
your example has a t at the end, i would go with Margaret. And check to see
if the clerk abbreviated other names. Dorothy
Sent from my iPad

On 27 Sep 2024, at 2:51?AM, edward.lowitz1--- via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

?  Where was the name "Margt" notated?  On the passenger list?
If the name was on the passenger list, presumably, it was provided by
Conway and he would have known his mother's name.  The name on the Death
cert was provided by someone other than Conway who might have gotten it
wrong.
In either case, there is always the possibility that the shipping clerk
or the doctor got it wrong.
As the clerk and the doctor were paid to record info correctly, I'd go
with the name on the passenger list until I got the name from other
records.
Ed.

    On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 09:54:22 AM EDT, Lizanne Smith

via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

 My great great grandmother, "Margt" Conway McGarvey was a passenger on

the Marchioness of Clydesdale with 2 sons John and Joseph. The ship left
Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound for Philadelphia, PA, USA. Other records:
1860- 1900 US census, Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey. Would
it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person? Thank you, Lizanne
McGarvey Smith


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Thank you all very much for your wisdom. Ed, I see the real possibilty of my ancestor being "Mary Margaret" and needing to be distinguished from her sister"Mary Ann" who, I failed to mention may have been in the same voyage as Ann Conway. Lizanne McGarvey Smith On Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 3:30 AM <cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." > > > ================================= > If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the > other emails from your reply before sending. > ================================= > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 1851 Female naming pattern question > (edward.lowitz1@verizon.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:10:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: "edward.lowitz1@verizon.net" <edward.lowitz1@verizon.net> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: 1851 Female naming pattern question > To: Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>, "neredon@gmail.com" > <neredon@gmail.com> > Message-ID: <439590456.10725980.1727439015936@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_Part_10725979_1707605418.1727439015933" > > All good points (which I wished I had mentioned) but just to complicate > things a bit further, the name "Mary Margaret" with both names being the > person's Given Name (i.e. the 'first name' is Mary Margaret) is not > uncommon. > If the family had one daughter named Mary Margaret and one named Mary Ann. > they may have referred to the one as Margaret and to the other as Ann (or > some other variation). I do have a nephew who is called by the second part > of his first name. > Ed. > > On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 08:42:07 PM EDT, Gordon Wilkinson > via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > In our Family Bible, my great grandmother is recorded as both Margaret > and Margret on the same page but in different places. Margt being an > abbreviation of Margaret/Margret. Literacy was not a strong point in the > 19thC. ☹️ > Gordon > > > On 27/09/2024 4:50 am, Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList wrote: > > > Have you seen the original rather than just a transcript? I always > double-check when Margt/Mary occurs as it?s easy to get it wrong. But as > your example has a t at the end, i would go with Margaret. And check to see > if the clerk abbreviated other names. Dorothy > Sent from my iPad > > On 27 Sep 2024, at 2:51?AM, edward.lowitz1--- via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > > ? Where was the name "Margt" notated? On the passenger list? > If the name was on the passenger list, presumably, it was provided by > Conway and he would have known his mother's name. The name on the Death > cert was provided by someone other than Conway who might have gotten it > wrong. > In either case, there is always the possibility that the shipping clerk > or the doctor got it wrong. > As the clerk and the doctor were paid to record info correctly, I'd go > with the name on the passenger list until I got the name from other > records. > Ed. > > On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 09:54:22 AM EDT, Lizanne Smith > via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > My great great grandmother, "Margt" Conway McGarvey was a passenger on > the Marchioness of Clydesdale with 2 sons John and Joseph. The ship left > Glasgow on Nov 11, 1851 bound for Philadelphia, PA, USA. Other records: > 1860- 1900 US census, Death certificate list her as "Mary" McGarvey. Would > it be possible that Margt and Mary are the same person? 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