Ducati to supply MotoE bikes for series
Getting the e-motor to pulse the way an IC motor does (or better) may be a
way to put more torque down because it may be easier to program and
control...
Stuart
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, 11:18 Scottie Ducati, scottieducati@gmail.com wrote:
Cars have about 12x the contact patch available for traction. MotoGP bikes
reached peak power many years ago and already offer well over 250 HP. Power
is not the issue, getting it to the rear tire is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, but it's the delivery of that torque right? Supercars are starting
to use hybrid drivetrains to exploit that advantage. I don't think it's
outside the realm of possibilities.
Pags
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:14 AM Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm pretty sure MotoGP bikes already make way more torque than they can
actually use without advanced TC.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com
wrote:
So far, yeah it’s been too much to ask. :-)
I’m betting Gigi brings a hybrid drivetrain to MotoGP. Think TORQUE…
Pags
On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm hoping for 3 years - I think I can hold out that long.
As far as buying Energica, or using their technology, I would say
that would be a bad move and hopefully not likely. Energica has a big
weight problem, more so than other electric motorcycle manufacturers. As a
company that has made itself a landmark through innovation, and making
light and elegant motorcycles, I'm hoping they can bring that same
innovation to making a light, fast and good handling electric sport bike.
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The expected date for production bikes (at this time) is 2025.
Vicki
Scottie Ducati wrote on 10/22/2021 11:18 AM:
Cars have about 12x the contact patch available for traction. MotoGP
bikes reached peak power many years ago and already offer well over
250 HP. Power is not the issue, getting it to the rear tire is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:25 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com
mailto:ajpags@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure, but it's the delivery of that torque right? Supercars are
starting to use hybrid drivetrains to exploit that advantage. I
don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities.
Pags
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:14 AM Scottie Ducati
<scottieducati@gmail.com <mailto:scottieducati@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sure MotoGP bikes already make way more torque than
they can actually use without advanced TC.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tony Pagliaroli
<ajpags@gmail.com <mailto:ajpags@gmail.com>> wrote:
So far, yeah it’s been too much to ask. :-)
I’m betting Gigi brings a hybrid drivetrain to MotoGP.
Think TORQUE…
Pags
On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Kachadourian
<kkachadourian@gmail.com <mailto:kkachadourian@gmail.com>>
wrote:
I'm hoping for 3 years - I think I can hold out that long.
As far as buying Energica, or using their technology, I
would say that would be a bad move and hopefully not
likely. Energica has a big weight problem, more so than
other electric motorcycle manufacturers. As a company that
has made itself a landmark through innovation, and making
light and elegant motorcycles, I'm hoping they can bring
that same innovation to making a light, fast and good
handling electric sport bike.
That's not too much to ask, is it?
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Yes, HP and torque are different things, but they are also somewhat
related!
Either way, I highly doubt the performance benefit of hybridization would
outweigh the weight and packaging penalties.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 11:20 AM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
You just jumped tracks between power and torque. I dunno that they reached
peak power years ago and it seems Ducati keeps adding more in. There’s
something to be said for instant and smooth linear torque.
On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
Cars have about 12x the contact patch available for traction. MotoGP bikes
reached peak power many years ago and already offer well over 250 HP. Power
is not the issue, getting it to the rear tire is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, but it's the delivery of that torque right? Supercars are starting
to use hybrid drivetrains to exploit that advantage. I don't think it's
outside the realm of possibilities.
Pags
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:14 AM Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm pretty sure MotoGP bikes already make way more torque than they can
actually use without advanced TC.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com
wrote:
So far, yeah it’s been too much to ask. :-)
I’m betting Gigi brings a hybrid drivetrain to MotoGP. Think TORQUE…
Pags
On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm hoping for 3 years - I think I can hold out that long.
As far as buying Energica, or using their technology, I would say
that would be a bad move and hopefully not likely. Energica has a big
weight problem, more so than other electric motorcycle manufacturers. As a
company that has made itself a landmark through innovation, and making
light and elegant motorcycles, I'm hoping they can bring that same
innovation to making a light, fast and good handling electric sport bike.
That's not too much to ask, is it?
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2025? That's just over 3 years away. I wonder how soon they'll start taking
pre-orders.
I'm in!
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 17:35, Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:
The expected date for production bikes (at this time) is 2025.
Vicki
Scottie Ducati wrote on 10/22/2021 11:18 AM:
Cars have about 12x the contact patch available for traction. MotoGP bikes
reached peak power many years ago and already offer well over 250 HP. Power
is not the issue, getting it to the rear tire is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, but it's the delivery of that torque right? Supercars are starting
to use hybrid drivetrains to exploit that advantage. I don't think it's
outside the realm of possibilities.
Pags
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:14 AM Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm pretty sure MotoGP bikes already make way more torque than they can
actually use without advanced TC.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com
wrote:
So far, yeah it’s been too much to ask. :-)
I’m betting Gigi brings a hybrid drivetrain to MotoGP. Think TORQUE…
Pags
On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm hoping for 3 years - I think I can hold out that long.
As far as buying Energica, or using their technology, I would say
that would be a bad move and hopefully not likely. Energica has a big
weight problem, more so than other electric motorcycle manufacturers. As a
company that has made itself a landmark through innovation, and making
light and elegant motorcycles, I'm hoping they can bring that same
innovation to making a light, fast and good handling electric sport bike.
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Now there we agree, BUT given minimum weight requirements, maybe you could lower the weight of other components to fit this in.
Gigi is smarter than all of us so if he thinks it could work I’m sure they’ll try it. Of course that’s a big “if”.
On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, HP and torque are different things, but they are also somewhat related!
Either way, I highly doubt the performance benefit of hybridization would outweigh the weight and packaging penalties.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 11:20 AM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
You just jumped tracks between power and torque. I dunno that they reached peak power years ago and it seems Ducati keeps adding more in. There’s something to be said for instant and smooth linear torque.
On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com wrote:
Cars have about 12x the contact patch available for traction. MotoGP bikes reached peak power many years ago and already offer well over 250 HP. Power is not the issue, getting it to the rear tire is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, but it's the delivery of that torque right? Supercars are starting to use hybrid drivetrains to exploit that advantage. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities.
Pags
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:14 AM Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com wrote:
I'm pretty sure MotoGP bikes already make way more torque than they can actually use without advanced TC.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
So far, yeah it’s been too much to ask. :-)
I’m betting Gigi brings a hybrid drivetrain to MotoGP. Think TORQUE…
Pags
On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com wrote:
I'm hoping for 3 years - I think I can hold out that long.
As far as buying Energica, or using their technology, I would say that would be a bad move and hopefully not likely. Energica has a big weight problem, more so than other electric motorcycle manufacturers. As a company that has made itself a landmark through innovation, and making light and elegant motorcycles, I'm hoping they can bring that same innovation to making a light, fast and good handling electric sport bike.
That's not too much to ask, is it?
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I agree about hybridization. A modern electric motor can put down more
torque than the bike (and tires) can manage. Having ridden both types of
sport bikes, it is my humble opinion that an electric motor is superior in
pretty much every area, that there would be no advantage at all to add an
ICU to the bike (not to mention the amount of weight, and where do you put
it so the bike handles?).
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 17:47, Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes, HP and torque are different things, but they are also somewhat
related!
Either way, I highly doubt the performance benefit of hybridization would
outweigh the weight and packaging penalties.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 11:20 AM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
You just jumped tracks between power and torque. I dunno that they
reached peak power years ago and it seems Ducati keeps adding more in.
There’s something to be said for instant and smooth linear torque.
On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
Cars have about 12x the contact patch available for traction. MotoGP
bikes reached peak power many years ago and already offer well over 250 HP.
Power is not the issue, getting it to the rear tire is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, but it's the delivery of that torque right? Supercars are
starting to use hybrid drivetrains to exploit that advantage. I don't
think it's outside the realm of possibilities.
Pags
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:14 AM Scottie Ducati scottieducati@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm pretty sure MotoGP bikes already make way more torque than they can
actually use without advanced TC.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:04 PM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com
wrote:
So far, yeah it’s been too much to ask. :-)
I’m betting Gigi brings a hybrid drivetrain to MotoGP. Think TORQUE…
Pags
On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <
kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm hoping for 3 years - I think I can hold out that long.
As far as buying Energica, or using their technology, I would say
that would be a bad move and hopefully not likely. Energica has a big
weight problem, more so than other electric motorcycle manufacturers. As a
company that has made itself a landmark through innovation, and making
light and elegant motorcycles, I'm hoping they can bring that same
innovation to making a light, fast and good handling electric sport bike.
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