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James McKane

Sun, Dec 8, 2024 10:14 AM

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario

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Len Swindley

Mon, Dec 9, 2024 10:09 AM

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario

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Chris Owen

Mon, Dec 9, 2024 12:04 PM

Here, here Len!

Definitely in my grandfather’s family. He came to Oz his brother to NYC, and some siblings stayed in Ireland. While we have known for several years that this brother existed and had traced his marriage his wife and his children in USA, they had no concept that there could be family in Australia. Imagine trying to find the needle in the NYC haystack of someone named Patrick McCormack!! But we did it!

And while the journey to Oz was both long and difficult, especially in comparison to iron with the journey to East Coast USA, there was much to gain from a government desperate for free settlers. Where the Irish in NYC in particular were considered the lowest of the low where work and accommodation were concerned and faced the endless “No Irish” signs everywhere, in Australia they were able to access land and apply their rural skills to conquer a vastly different landscape. It was amazingly hard work but they often gathered people from their local community in Ireland around them and pulled together! There were big contrasts in acceptance between the two countries. I think the many many Irish in my family thought themselves lucky as they slowly built families and comfort around themselves.

Keep up the good work guys
Chris Owen of Melbourne Australia searching for McCormacks McCullaghs, McSwiggans, Brogans, Devlins in NI; Foleys, Brennans, Powers in Wicklow and Waterford; Stritch, Malone, Mahon, Davern and Thynne in Clare and Gannon and Donellan and Curley in Galway!

On 9 Dec 2024, at 10:09, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com http://cotyroneireland.com/ Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

Here, here Len! Definitely in my grandfather’s family. He came to Oz his brother to NYC, and some siblings stayed in Ireland. While we have known for several years that this brother existed and had traced his marriage his wife and his children in USA, they had no concept that there could be family in Australia. Imagine trying to find the needle in the NYC haystack of someone named Patrick McCormack!! But we did it! And while the journey to Oz was both long and difficult, especially in comparison to iron with the journey to East Coast USA, there was much to gain from a government desperate for free settlers. Where the Irish in NYC in particular were considered the lowest of the low where work and accommodation were concerned and faced the endless “No Irish” signs everywhere, in Australia they were able to access land and apply their rural skills to conquer a vastly different landscape. It was amazingly hard work but they often gathered people from their local community in Ireland around them and pulled together! There were big contrasts in acceptance between the two countries. I think the many many Irish in my family thought themselves lucky as they slowly built families and comfort around themselves. Keep up the good work guys Chris Owen of Melbourne Australia searching for McCormacks McCullaghs, McSwiggans, Brogans, Devlins in NI; Foleys, Brennans, Powers in Wicklow and Waterford; Stritch, Malone, Mahon, Davern and Thynne in Clare and Gannon and Donellan and Curley in Galway! On 9 Dec 2024, at 10:09, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com <http://cotyroneireland.com/> Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

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Gordon Wilkinson

Tue, Dec 10, 2024 6:36 AM

The history of the Irish in Australia is interesting too. Most Irish
immigrants came to the southern states and not all were welcome. Many
job ads had "No Irish" and "Irish need not apply", and that attitude
persisted into the 20thC. Most women got jobs as domestics or children's
nanny and the men were simply labourers or ended up in the Police Force
(hence the Eureka rebellion and the Beachworth riots against brutal
Irish Police). And why so many in the Police? Because other able-bodied
men were off digging for gold and the Police Force was the only work
Irish could get, irrespective of their skills or training. Newspapers of
the day carried cartoons which typified the Irish as lazy and stupid.
Legislation has changed that but some attitudes still linger.

On a more happy note, my Irish ancestor migrated to North America and
joined the Union army. On discharge, he acquired land in Nebraska and
grew ... wait for it ... potatoes of course! A pioneer settler of the
region he was given 9 months credit from the local store until his crops
came in. Not many places these days would extend credit for that length
of time. And to an Irish man too!!! He was recognised as a pioneer
settler of Polk county and has a memorial to him there. So ... not all
Irish were labelled dumb.
Gordon

On 9/12/2024 10:34 pm, Chris Owen via CoTyroneList wrote:

Here, here Len!

Definitely in my grandfather’s family. He came to Oz his brother to
NYC, and some siblings stayed in Ireland. While we have known for
several years that this brother existed and had traced his marriage
his wife and his children in USA, they had no concept that there could
be family in Australia. Imagine trying to find the needle in the NYC
haystack of someone named Patrick McCormack!! But we did it!

And while the journey to Oz was both long and difficult, especially in
comparison to iron with the journey to East Coast USA, there was much
to gain from a government desperate for free settlers. Where the Irish
in NYC in particular were considered the lowest of the low where work
and accommodation were concerned and faced the endless “No Irish”
signs everywhere, in Australia they were able to access land and apply
their rural skills to conquer a vastly different landscape. It was
amazingly hard work but they often gathered people from their local
community in Ireland around them and pulled together! There were big
contrasts in acceptance between the two countries. I think the many
many Irish in my family thought themselves lucky as they slowly built
families and comfort around themselves.

Keep up the good work guys
Chris Owen of Melbourne Australia searching for McCormacks McCullaghs,
McSwiggans, Brogans, Devlins in NI; Foleys, Brennans, Powers in
Wicklow and Waterford; Stritch, Malone, Mahon, Davern and Thynne in
Clare and Gannon and Donellan and Curley in Galway!

On 9 Dec 2024, at 10:09, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were
destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free
passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings
could be found in both North America and Australia
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

*From:*James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
*Sent:*Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM
*To:*CoTyroneIreland.com http://cotyroneireland.com/Mailing List
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
*Subject:*New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died
Queensland, Australia 1864-1948
Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia
1864-1948 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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The history of the Irish in Australia is interesting too. Most Irish immigrants came to the southern states and not all were welcome. Many job ads had "No Irish" and "Irish need not apply", and that attitude persisted into the 20thC. Most women got jobs as domestics or children's nanny and the men were simply labourers or ended up in the Police Force (hence the Eureka rebellion and the Beachworth riots against brutal Irish Police). And why so many in the Police? Because other able-bodied men were off digging for gold and the Police Force was the only work Irish could get, irrespective of their skills or training. Newspapers of the day carried cartoons which typified the Irish as lazy and stupid. Legislation has changed that but some attitudes still linger. On a more happy note, my Irish ancestor migrated to North America and joined the Union army. On discharge, he acquired land in Nebraska and grew ... wait for it ... potatoes of course! A pioneer settler of the region he was given 9 months credit from the local store until his crops came in. Not many places these days would extend credit for that length of time. And to an Irish man too!!! He was recognised as a pioneer settler of Polk county and has a memorial to him there. So ... not all Irish were labelled dumb. Gordon On 9/12/2024 10:34 pm, Chris Owen via CoTyroneList wrote: > Here, here Len! > > Definitely in my grandfather’s family. He came to Oz his brother to > NYC, and some siblings stayed in Ireland. While we have known for > several years that this brother existed and had traced his marriage > his wife and his children in USA, they had no concept that there could > be family in Australia. Imagine trying to find the needle in the NYC > haystack of someone named Patrick McCormack!! But we did it! > > And while the journey to Oz was both long and difficult, especially in > comparison to iron with the journey to East Coast USA, there was much > to gain from a government desperate for free settlers. Where the Irish > in NYC in particular were considered the lowest of the low where work > and accommodation were concerned and faced the endless “No Irish” > signs everywhere, in Australia they were able to access land and apply > their rural skills to conquer a vastly different landscape. It was > amazingly hard work but they often gathered people from their local > community in Ireland around them and pulled together! There were big > contrasts in acceptance between the two countries. I think the many > many Irish in my family thought themselves lucky as they slowly built > families and comfort around themselves. > > Keep up the good work guys > Chris Owen of Melbourne Australia searching for McCormacks McCullaghs, > McSwiggans, Brogans, Devlins in NI; Foleys, Brennans, Powers in > Wicklow and Waterford; Stritch, Malone, Mahon, Davern and Thynne in > Clare and Gannon and Donellan and Curley in Galway! > > > > On 9 Dec 2024, at 10:09, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were > destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free > passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings > could be found in both North America and Australia > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:*James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> > *Sent:*Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM > *To:*CoTyroneIreland.com <http://cotyroneireland.com/>Mailing List > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Subject:*New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died > Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 > Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia > 1864-1948 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > ================================= > Send a Message to the List -cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive > -https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to -jamckane@gmail.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List -cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive -https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to -cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to -jamckane@gmail.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to -cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

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Verity Morris

Wed, Dec 11, 2024 10:00 AM

And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this undesirable convicts!
Cheers
Verity

On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this undesirable convicts! Cheers Verity On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================

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Chris Owen

Wed, Dec 11, 2024 10:52 AM

Ahh yes our Kiwis!

Verity your little dig at the convicts made me snort into my cuppa!

Didn’t know they demanded literacy for your lot, but that meant you didn’t get the ones who were used to the REALLY hard work!

And might I add Ms Cheeky Kiwi, convict descendants now consider themselves genealogical royalty in Australia. See what you missed out on over the ditch? Not that I’m in the royalty ranks! My lot were just sometimes illiterate farmers but they were pioneers all the same.

And yes one of my great uncles travelled across that ditch for the gold rush and vowed he would never cross it again. So we’ve got some real Kiwi Cousins now! We’re all in it together!

Cheers and waving across that ditch
Chris Owen

On 11 Dec 2024, at 10:00, Verity Morris via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this undesirable convicts! Cheers

Verity

On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

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Verity Morris

Thu, Dec 12, 2024 11:00 AM

Glad I triggered the old NZ/Aussie rivalry for you Chris!

One interesting snippet is that as the pioneers to NZ had a few more pennies when they emigrated, they often took precious household pieces with them. When they found the living conditions were more basic than expected, they wrapped up their china etc and stored it safely away.. According to an antique dealer I knew, that’s why you can get some great antiques in NZ!

Actually I’m a hybrid…I have (yes, unbelievably!) birth certificates from both countries. Growing up in NZ and now living in Australia, I love them both…well maybe NZ a touch more.

Cheers back from your side of the dutch (kiwi for ditch)
Verity

On 11 Dec 2024, at 9:52 PM, Chris Owen pinkapp@gmail.com wrote:

Ahh yes our Kiwis!

Verity your little dig at the convicts made me snort into my cuppa!

Didn’t know they demanded literacy for your lot, but that meant you didn’t get the ones who were used to the REALLY hard work!

And might I add Ms Cheeky Kiwi, convict descendants now consider themselves genealogical royalty in Australia. See what you missed out on over the ditch? Not that I’m in the royalty ranks! My lot were just sometimes illiterate farmers but they were pioneers all the same.

And yes one of my great uncles travelled across that ditch for the gold rush and vowed he would never cross it again. So we’ve got some real Kiwi Cousins now! We’re all in it together!

Cheers and waving across that ditch
Chris Owen

On 11 Dec 2024, at 10:00, Verity Morris via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this undesirable convicts!
Cheers
Verity

On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948

Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Glad I triggered the old NZ/Aussie rivalry for you Chris! One interesting snippet is that as the pioneers to NZ had a few more pennies when they emigrated, they often took precious household pieces with them. When they found the living conditions were more basic than expected, they wrapped up their china etc and stored it safely away.. According to an antique dealer I knew, that’s why you can get some great antiques in NZ! Actually I’m a hybrid…I have (yes, unbelievably!) birth certificates from both countries. Growing up in NZ and now living in Australia, I love them both…well maybe NZ a touch more. Cheers back from your side of the dutch (kiwi for ditch) Verity On 11 Dec 2024, at 9:52 PM, Chris Owen <pinkapp@gmail.com> wrote: Ahh yes our Kiwis! Verity your little dig at the convicts made me snort into my cuppa! Didn’t know they demanded literacy for your lot, but that meant you didn’t get the ones who were used to the REALLY hard work! And might I add Ms Cheeky Kiwi, convict descendants now consider themselves genealogical royalty in Australia. See what you missed out on over the ditch? Not that I’m in the royalty ranks! My lot were just sometimes illiterate farmers but they were pioneers all the same. And yes one of my great uncles travelled across that ditch for the gold rush and vowed he would never cross it again. So we’ve got some real Kiwi Cousins now! We’re all in it together! Cheers and waving across that ditch Chris Owen On 11 Dec 2024, at 10:00, Verity Morris via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this undesirable convicts! Cheers Verity On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be found in both North America and Australia Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Subject: New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia 1864-1948<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================

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Gordon Wilkinson

Fri, Dec 13, 2024 1:22 AM

Hi Verity,c
My wife has a similar problem with allegiance. Her ancestors were pioneer
settlers of Christchurch yet she is Australian born. She loves cricket and
rugby (union), so avoids watching matches when our 2 countries compete.

The case of pioneers landing with all the trapings of civilization, only to
be confronted with a wild and undeveloped country, is in part a theme
featured in the film "The piano" when this prised instrument was dumped on
the wet sands of Petone beach, there being no wharf facilities at
Wellington back then.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, 9:30 pm Verity Morris via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Glad I triggered the old NZ/Aussie rivalry for you Chris!

One interesting snippet is that as the pioneers to NZ had a few more
pennies when they emigrated, they often took precious household pieces with
them. When they found the living conditions were more basic than expected,
they wrapped up their china etc and stored it safely away.. According to an
antique dealer I knew, that’s why you can get some great antiques in NZ!

Actually I’m a hybrid…I have (yes, unbelievably!) birth certificates from
both countries. Growing up in NZ and now living in Australia, I love them
both…well maybe NZ a touch more.

Cheers back from your side of the dutch (kiwi for ditch)
Verity

On 11 Dec 2024, at 9:52 PM, Chris Owen pinkapp@gmail.com wrote:

Ahh yes our Kiwis!

Verity your little dig at the convicts made me snort into my cuppa!

Didn’t know they demanded literacy for your lot, but that meant you didn’t
get the ones who were used to the REALLY hard work!

And might I add Ms Cheeky Kiwi, convict descendants now consider
themselves genealogical royalty in Australia. See what you missed out on
over the ditch? Not that I’m in the royalty ranks! My lot were just
sometimes illiterate farmers but they were pioneers all the same.

And yes one of my great uncles travelled across that ditch for the gold
rush and vowed he would never cross it again. So we’ve got some real Kiwi
Cousins now! We’re all in it together!

Cheers and waving across that ditch
Chris Owen

On 11 Dec 2024, at 10:00, Verity Morris via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended
up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex
soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the
gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free
passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small
as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this
undesirable convicts!
Cheers
Verity

On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were
destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages
from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be
found in both North America and Australia
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Jim McKane
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Hi Verity,c My wife has a similar problem with allegiance. Her ancestors were pioneer settlers of Christchurch yet she is Australian born. She loves cricket and rugby (union), so avoids watching matches when our 2 countries compete. The case of pioneers landing with all the trapings of civilization, only to be confronted with a wild and undeveloped country, is in part a theme featured in the film "The piano" when this prised instrument was dumped on the wet sands of Petone beach, there being no wharf facilities at Wellington back then. On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, 9:30 pm Verity Morris via CoTyroneList, < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Glad I triggered the old NZ/Aussie rivalry for you Chris! > > One interesting snippet is that as the pioneers to NZ had a few more > pennies when they emigrated, they often took precious household pieces with > them. When they found the living conditions were more basic than expected, > they wrapped up their china etc and stored it safely away.. According to an > antique dealer I knew, that’s why you can get some great antiques in NZ! > > Actually I’m a hybrid…I have (yes, unbelievably!) birth certificates from > both countries. Growing up in NZ and now living in Australia, I love them > both…well maybe NZ a touch more. > > Cheers back from your side of the dutch (kiwi for ditch) > Verity > > > > On 11 Dec 2024, at 9:52 PM, Chris Owen <pinkapp@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ahh yes our Kiwis! > > Verity your little dig at the convicts made me snort into my cuppa! > > Didn’t know they demanded literacy for your lot, but that meant you didn’t > get the ones who were used to the REALLY hard work! > > And might I add Ms Cheeky Kiwi, convict descendants now consider > themselves genealogical royalty in Australia. See what you missed out on > over the ditch? Not that I’m in the royalty ranks! My lot were just > sometimes illiterate farmers but they were pioneers all the same. > > And yes one of my great uncles travelled across that ditch for the gold > rush and vowed he would never cross it again. So we’ve got some real Kiwi > Cousins now! We’re all in it together! > > Cheers and waving across that ditch > Chris Owen > > On 11 Dec 2024, at 10:00, Verity Morris via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended > up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex > soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the > gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free > passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small > as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this > undesirable convicts! > Cheers > Verity > > > On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were > destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages > from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be > found in both North America and Australia > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Subject:* New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died > Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 > > Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia > 1864-1948 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================