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Gordon Wilkinson

Tue, Jan 5, 2021 3:23 AM

Shirley, not quite like the Manly ferry. Even a very rough day would be like a mill pond on that North Atlantic crossing! More like the Bass Strait crossing, but even in a gale, that is gentle compared with rounding Portrush and the Giant's causeway. ;)

Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺

On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:48 am, S.Harper via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi Cheryl,

It would be a bit like travelling on the Manly ferry! Short distance, no records.

Check the Scottish census for Glasgow, both 1841 and 1851 and see if you can find her. Also you need to know her county and parish in Ireland.

Shirley in OZ

From: Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com]
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:36 PM
To: Elwyn Soutter; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Cheryl Humphreys
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5

Hi Elwyn Souther,
Thank you and Jim for your information, sorry but I do know that Mary McCullough did get married on the 19/12/1852 in Glasgow and she had a baby boy in 1853 he nsme was, Charles Gibson baptism 10/1853 at St Mary's in Glasgow.
But I can't find out where she left Ireland to go to Glasgow?
Thank you
Cheryl Humphreys

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 11:21 pm Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList, cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Cheryl,

There are no travel records for people going from Tyrone to Scotland. It was then, and still is, just a short domestic journey. As you perhaps know there was a regular overnight sailing from Londonderry to Glasgow as well as numerous sailings from Belfast and Larne. Scotland was particularly attractive not only because there was plenty of work there, it was cheap and easy to get to and you could come home for the harvest or a wedding. So folk went back and forth all the time.

All you can do is note her first arrival in Scottish records, and use that as the approximate date of her move to Scotland. Check the 1861 Scottish census (on Scotlandspeople). Perhaps she married in Scotland before that in which case there may be a marriage to find there and children’s births which might narrow the date of her move a bit more. Note that if she happened to marry or have a child in Scotland in 1855 (only) the certificate should contain extra information including her age & place of birth in Ireland. (1855 was the first year of birth registration and this extra information was dropped after it as it was too time consuming to record).

Elwyn

On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 11:58:14 GMT, CoTyroneIreland.com via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Sorry but I would have no idea. Maybe someone else has a tip for you.

Happy New Year
Jim

Jim McKane
CoTyroneIreland.com

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:37 AM Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Hi Jim,
Can you please tell me how can I find out at Mary McCullough went from Tyrone to Glasgow in about 1850's.
Thank you.
Cheryl Humphreys

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 9:02 pm James McKane via CoTyroneList, cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Shirley, not quite like the Manly ferry. Even a very rough day would be like a mill pond on that North Atlantic crossing! More like the Bass Strait crossing, but even in a gale, that is gentle compared with rounding Portrush and the Giant's causeway. ;) Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺 > On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:48 am, S.Harper via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > It would be a bit like travelling on the Manly ferry! Short distance, no records. > > Check the Scottish census for Glasgow, both 1841 and 1851 and see if you can find her. Also you need to know her county and parish in Ireland. > > Shirley in OZ > > From: Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com] > Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:36 PM > To: Elwyn Soutter; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > Cc: Cheryl Humphreys > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 > > Hi Elwyn Souther, > Thank you and Jim for your information, sorry but I do know that Mary McCullough did get married on the 19/12/1852 in Glasgow and she had a baby boy in 1853 he nsme was, Charles Gibson baptism 10/1853 at St Mary's in Glasgow. > But I can't find out where she left Ireland to go to Glasgow? > Thank you > Cheryl Humphreys > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 11:21 pm Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList, <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Cheryl, > > There are no travel records for people going from Tyrone to Scotland. It was then, and still is, just a short domestic journey. As you perhaps know there was a regular overnight sailing from Londonderry to Glasgow as well as numerous sailings from Belfast and Larne. Scotland was particularly attractive not only because there was plenty of work there, it was cheap and easy to get to and you could come home for the harvest or a wedding. So folk went back and forth all the time. > > All you can do is note her first arrival in Scottish records, and use that as the approximate date of her move to Scotland. Check the 1861 Scottish census (on Scotlandspeople). Perhaps she married in Scotland before that in which case there may be a marriage to find there and children’s births which might narrow the date of her move a bit more. Note that if she happened to marry or have a child in Scotland in 1855 (only) the certificate should contain extra information including her age & place of birth in Ireland. (1855 was the first year of birth registration and this extra information was dropped after it as it was too time consuming to record). > > > Elwyn > > > > > On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 11:58:14 GMT, CoTyroneIreland.com via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > Sorry but I would have no idea. Maybe someone else has a tip for you. > > Happy New Year > Jim > > Jim McKane > CoTyroneIreland.com > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:37 AM Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Hi Jim, > Can you please tell me how can I find out at Mary McCullough went from Tyrone to Glasgow in about 1850's. > Thank you. > Cheryl Humphreys > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 9:02 pm James McKane via CoTyroneList, <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > > May you always Have Love to Share, > Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

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Cheryl Humphreys

Tue, Jan 5, 2021 3:45 AM

Hi Gordon,
Thank you I will have a look and let you know if I fined anything.
Cheers Cheryl

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 2:23 pm Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Shirley, not quite like the Manly ferry. Even a very rough day would be
like a mill pond on that North Atlantic crossing! More like the Bass Strait
crossing, but even in a gale, that is gentle compared with rounding
Portrush and the Giant's causeway. ;)

Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺

On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:48 am, S.Harper via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hi Cheryl,

It would be a bit like travelling on the Manly ferry! Short distance, no
records.

Check the Scottish census for Glasgow, both 1841 and 1851 and see if you
can find her. Also you need to know her county and parish in Ireland.

Shirley in OZ

From: Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [
mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com]
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:36 PM
To: Elwyn Soutter; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Cheryl Humphreys
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan
Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5

Hi Elwyn Souther,

Thank you and Jim for your information, sorry but I do know that Mary
McCullough did get married on the 19/12/1852 in Glasgow and she had a baby
boy in 1853 he nsme was, Charles Gibson baptism 10/1853 at St Mary's in
Glasgow.

But I can't find out where she left Ireland to go to Glasgow?

Thank you

Cheryl Humphreys

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 11:21 pm Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Cheryl,

There are no travel records for people going from Tyrone to Scotland. It
was then, and still is, just a short domestic journey. As you perhaps know
there was a regular overnight sailing from Londonderry to Glasgow as well
as numerous sailings from Belfast and Larne. Scotland was particularly
attractive not only because there was plenty of work there, it was cheap
and easy to get to and you could come home for the harvest or a wedding. So
folk went back and forth all the time.

All you can do is note her first arrival in Scottish records, and use that
as the approximate date of her move to Scotland. Check the 1861 Scottish
census (on Scotlandspeople). Perhaps she married in Scotland before that in
which case there may be a marriage to find there and children’s births
which might narrow the date of her move a bit more. Note that if she
happened to marry or have a child in Scotland in 1855 (only) the
certificate should contain extra information including her age & place of
birth in Ireland. (1855 was the first year of birth registration and this
extra information was dropped after it as it was too time consuming to
record).

Elwyn

On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 11:58:14 GMT, CoTyroneIreland.com via
CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Sorry but I would have no idea. Maybe someone else has a tip for you.

Happy New Year

Jim

Jim McKane
CoTyroneIreland.com

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:37 AM Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Can you please tell me how can I find out at Mary McCullough went from
Tyrone to Glasgow in about 1850's.

Thank you.

Cheryl Humphreys

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 9:02 pm James McKane via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/emigration/lissan.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

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Hi Gordon, Thank you I will have a look and let you know if I fined anything. Cheers Cheryl On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 2:23 pm Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList, < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Shirley, not quite like the Manly ferry. Even a very rough day would be > like a mill pond on that North Atlantic crossing! More like the Bass Strait > crossing, but even in a gale, that is gentle compared with rounding > Portrush and the Giant's causeway. ;) > > Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺 > > On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:48 am, S.Harper via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > It would be a bit like travelling on the Manly ferry! Short distance, no > records. > > > > Check the Scottish census for Glasgow, both 1841 and 1851 and see if you > can find her. Also you need to know her county and parish in Ireland. > > > > Shirley in OZ > > > > *From:* Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [ > mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>] > *Sent:* Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:36 PM > *To:* Elwyn Soutter; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > *Cc:* Cheryl Humphreys > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan > Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 > > > > Hi Elwyn Souther, > > Thank you and Jim for your information, sorry but I do know that Mary > McCullough did get married on the 19/12/1852 in Glasgow and she had a baby > boy in 1853 he nsme was, Charles Gibson baptism 10/1853 at St Mary's in > Glasgow. > > But I can't find out where she left Ireland to go to Glasgow? > > Thank you > > Cheryl Humphreys > > > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 11:21 pm Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList, < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Cheryl, > > > > There are no travel records for people going from Tyrone to Scotland. It > was then, and still is, just a short domestic journey. As you perhaps know > there was a regular overnight sailing from Londonderry to Glasgow as well > as numerous sailings from Belfast and Larne. Scotland was particularly > attractive not only because there was plenty of work there, it was cheap > and easy to get to and you could come home for the harvest or a wedding. So > folk went back and forth all the time. > > > > All you can do is note her first arrival in Scottish records, and use that > as the approximate date of her move to Scotland. Check the 1861 Scottish > census (on Scotlandspeople). Perhaps she married in Scotland before that in > which case there may be a marriage to find there and children’s births > which might narrow the date of her move a bit more. Note that if she > happened to marry or have a child in Scotland in 1855 (only) the > certificate should contain extra information including her age & place of > birth in Ireland. (1855 was the first year of birth registration and this > extra information was dropped after it as it was too time consuming to > record). > > > > > > Elwyn > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 11:58:14 GMT, CoTyroneIreland.com via > CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry but I would have no idea. Maybe someone else has a tip for you. > > > > Happy New Year > > Jim > > > Jim McKane > CoTyroneIreland.com > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:37 AM Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Can you please tell me how can I find out at Mary McCullough went from > Tyrone to Glasgow in about 1850's. > > Thank you. > > Cheryl Humphreys > > > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 9:02 pm James McKane via CoTyroneList, < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/emigration/lissan.html> > > > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > > Jim McKane > > Kitchener, Ontario > > > > May you always Have Love to Share, > Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

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S.Harper

Tue, Jan 5, 2021 7:17 AM

Gordon, I am sorry to hear your great grandfather could not be saved on that rough trip. I did not imagine such a passage would not be rough, merely pointing out to Cheryl (who I know quite well personally) that such a short trip would not have required records to be kept, especially in those far off years.

Although I have not undertaken that trip myself, I have done the Bass Strait overnight trip where I was violently ill because of the tossing , (and the return crossing being tossed out of my bunk!). I have been on the Manly Ferry more than once while it was crossing the Sydney Heads on a rough day so not entirely ignorant of what it must have been like. Indeed many emigrant and convict ships coming to Australia from Britain did not make it at all, given the length of the voyage, which at first took seven months! (the First Fleet) and especially when the ship was negotiating the roaring forties which was a hazard in itself.

Cheryl would be better checking the census records in 1841 and 1851 as I have told her.

Shirley In OZ

From: Gordon Wilkinson [mailto:Gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2021 2:24 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Elwyn Soutter; S.Harper
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5

Shirley, not quite like the Manly ferry. Even a very rough day would be like a mill pond on that North Atlantic crossing! More like the Bass Strait crossing, but even in a gale, that is gentle compared with rounding Portrush and the Giant's causeway. ;)

Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺

On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:48 am, S.Harper via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi Cheryl,

It would be a bit like travelling on the Manly ferry! Short distance, no records.

Check the Scottish census for Glasgow, both 1841 and 1851 and see if you can find her. Also you need to know her county and parish in Ireland.

Shirley in OZ

From: Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com]
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:36 PM
To: Elwyn Soutter; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Cheryl Humphreys
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5

Hi Elwyn Souther,

Thank you and Jim for your information, sorry but I do know that Mary McCullough did get married on the 19/12/1852 in Glasgow and she had a baby boy in 1853 he nsme was, Charles Gibson baptism 10/1853 at St Mary's in Glasgow.

But I can't find out where she left Ireland to go to Glasgow?

Thank you

Cheryl Humphreys

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 11:21 pm Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList, cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Cheryl,

There are no travel records for people going from Tyrone to Scotland. It was then, and still is, just a short domestic journey. As you perhaps know there was a regular overnight sailing from Londonderry to Glasgow as well as numerous sailings from Belfast and Larne. Scotland was particularly attractive not only because there was plenty of work there, it was cheap and easy to get to and you could come home for the harvest or a wedding. So folk went back and forth all the time.

All you can do is note her first arrival in Scottish records, and use that as the approximate date of her move to Scotland. Check the 1861 Scottish census (on Scotlandspeople). Perhaps she married in Scotland before that in which case there may be a marriage to find there and children’s births which might narrow the date of her move a bit more. Note that if she happened to marry or have a child in Scotland in 1855 (only) the certificate should contain extra information including her age & place of birth in Ireland. (1855 was the first year of birth registration and this extra information was dropped after it as it was too time consuming to record).

Elwyn

On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 11:58:14 GMT, CoTyroneIreland.com via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Sorry but I would have no idea. Maybe someone else has a tip for you.

Happy New Year

Jim

Jim McKane
CoTyroneIreland.com

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:37 AM Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hi Jim,

Can you please tell me how can I find out at Mary McCullough went from Tyrone to Glasgow in about 1850's.

Thank you.

Cheryl Humphreys

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 9:02 pm James McKane via CoTyroneList, cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/emigration/lissan.html

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

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Gordon, I am sorry to hear your great grandfather could not be saved on that rough trip. I did not imagine such a passage would not be rough, merely pointing out to Cheryl (who I know quite well personally) that such a short trip would not have required records to be kept, especially in those far off years. Although I have not undertaken that trip myself, I have done the Bass Strait overnight trip where I was violently ill because of the tossing , (and the return crossing being tossed out of my bunk!). I have been on the Manly Ferry more than once while it was crossing the Sydney Heads on a rough day so not entirely ignorant of what it must have been like. Indeed many emigrant and convict ships coming to Australia from Britain did not make it at all, given the length of the voyage, which at first took seven months! (the First Fleet) and especially when the ship was negotiating the roaring forties which was a hazard in itself. Cheryl would be better checking the census records in 1841 and 1851 as I have told her. Shirley In OZ From: Gordon Wilkinson [mailto:Gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2021 2:24 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Elwyn Soutter; S.Harper Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 Shirley, not quite like the Manly ferry. Even a very rough day would be like a mill pond on that North Atlantic crossing! More like the Bass Strait crossing, but even in a gale, that is gentle compared with rounding Portrush and the Giant's causeway. ;) Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺 On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:48 am, S.Harper via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi Cheryl, It would be a bit like travelling on the Manly ferry! Short distance, no records. Check the Scottish census for Glasgow, both 1841 and 1851 and see if you can find her. Also you need to know her county and parish in Ireland. Shirley in OZ From: Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com] Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:36 PM To: Elwyn Soutter; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Cheryl Humphreys Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 Hi Elwyn Souther, Thank you and Jim for your information, sorry but I do know that Mary McCullough did get married on the 19/12/1852 in Glasgow and she had a baby boy in 1853 he nsme was, Charles Gibson baptism 10/1853 at St Mary's in Glasgow. But I can't find out where she left Ireland to go to Glasgow? Thank you Cheryl Humphreys On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 11:21 pm Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList, <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Cheryl, There are no travel records for people going from Tyrone to Scotland. It was then, and still is, just a short domestic journey. As you perhaps know there was a regular overnight sailing from Londonderry to Glasgow as well as numerous sailings from Belfast and Larne. Scotland was particularly attractive not only because there was plenty of work there, it was cheap and easy to get to and you could come home for the harvest or a wedding. So folk went back and forth all the time. All you can do is note her first arrival in Scottish records, and use that as the approximate date of her move to Scotland. Check the 1861 Scottish census (on Scotlandspeople). Perhaps she married in Scotland before that in which case there may be a marriage to find there and children’s births which might narrow the date of her move a bit more. Note that if she happened to marry or have a child in Scotland in 1855 (only) the certificate should contain extra information including her age & place of birth in Ireland. (1855 was the first year of birth registration and this extra information was dropped after it as it was too time consuming to record). Elwyn On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 11:58:14 GMT, CoTyroneIreland.com via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Sorry but I would have no idea. Maybe someone else has a tip for you. Happy New Year Jim Jim McKane CoTyroneIreland.com On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:37 AM Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi Jim, Can you please tell me how can I find out at Mary McCullough went from Tyrone to Glasgow in about 1850's. Thank you. Cheryl Humphreys On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 9:02 pm James McKane via CoTyroneList, <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Emigration from Lissan Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1834-5 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/emigration/lissan.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! 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