Re: What’s with the Paso?
Good stuff Jim.
Yes, thanks.
In addition to what else I’m reading and a couple off-list messages…yeah.
Again, I’m just asking questions…getting information..learning.
Since I can’t buy or test-ride every model bike…there’s always someone that has good input…especially here on this list.
I have read that you either like it or you don’t.
And I know..knew..Gene, you liked your Paso!
Thanks.
..tom
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Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
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Ouch - a 16" front wheel? Wonder if the 907s had 17's?
Pags
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 7:28 AM TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.com mailto:tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
And while I’m not shopping for one, I am simply filling some gaps in my knowledge spaces. I know, it’s going to take a while!
🤪
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Paso owners.. what’s up with that model?
I see them and I don’t get it.. never did.
I’ve never ridden one, and maybe call me shallow, but I cant get past it visually.
906, 907.. ie.. any of them.
I think Gene Hunt, at least, had one.
What’s the appeal?
I’m not going to disagree.. trying to learn/understand, from an owners point of view.
And FWIW, I grew to appreciate Picasso’s cubist style.
Thanks.
…Tom
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From: James Calandro <capo@carolina.rr.com mailto:capo@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
Date: February 3, 2022 at 9:35:51 AM EST
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From memory there were three versions of the Paso style bike. They were all fully enclosed bodywork bikes which was the fashion in the late 80s and early 90s. bimota db1 might have been the first but Honda had several Hurricane models that were in that format.
The early 750 was air oil cooled and had the dreaded Weber carb. I think it was a two barrel downdraft style and was replaced on most bikes because of the difficulty in tuning. They had 16 inch wheels front and rear and no steering lock, which I found out to my excitement when I rode a friend's bike. Fortunately I did not drop it.
The second version the 906 the 900 was an increase in the displacement and the 6 was a move to the six speed transmission. I think they also got water cooling but retained the Weber. They still 16 inch wheels the associated weird handling and difficulty finding tires.
The third and arguably the best version was the 907 ie. It got fuel injection which cured the tuning woes, 17 inch wheels front and back plus new suspension. These features were from the early 851 that came with the old style right side up forks. I rode a friend's and was impressed with the low down torque of the motor, the comfort of the ride, and the improved handling the new suspension and wheels provided. I would have bought it from him if he had told me he was going to sell it.
Their styling was a breakthrough in its time but a trend that just did not last. Kind of a love hate sort of thing. I kind of liked the way it settled with the 907.
Tom I hope this helps.
Jim
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On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 9:21 PM TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.com mailto:tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
Paso owners.. what’s up with that model?
I see them and I don’t get it.. never did.
I’ve never ridden one, and maybe call me shallow, but I cant get past it visually.
906, 907.. ie.. any of them.
I think Gene Hunt, at least, had one.
What’s the appeal?
I’m not going to disagree.. trying to learn/understand, from an owners point of view.
And FWIW, I grew to appreciate Picasso’s cubist style.
Thanks.
…Tom
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There was also a limited edition in White, 750. John Esposito has one. - Gene
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Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
Good stuff Jim.
Yes, thanks.
In addition to what else I’m reading and a couple off-list messages…yeah.
Again, I’m just asking questions…getting information..learning.
Since I can’t buy or test-ride every model bike…there’s always someone that has good input…especially here on this list.
I have read that you either like it or you don’t.
And I know..knew..Gene, you liked your Paso!
Thanks.
..tom
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Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
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Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
Ouch - a 16" front wheel? Wonder if the 907s had 17's?
Pags
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 7:28 AM TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.commailto:tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
And while I’m not shopping for one, I am simply filling some gaps in my knowledge spaces. I know, it’s going to take a while!
🤪
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…Tom
On Feb 2, 2022, at 9:21 PM, TomDressler <tbrduc@gmail.commailto:tbrduc@gmail.com> wrote:
Paso owners.. what’s up with that model?
I see them and I don’t get it.. never did.
I’ve never ridden one, and maybe call me shallow, but I cant get past it visually.
906, 907.. ie.. any of them.
I think Gene Hunt, at least, had one.
What’s the appeal?
I’m not going to disagree.. trying to learn/understand, from an owners point of view.
And FWIW, I grew to appreciate Picasso’s cubist style.
Thanks.
…Tom
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Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
Date: February 3, 2022 at 9:35:51 AM EST
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From memory there were three versions of the Paso style bike. They were all fully enclosed bodywork bikes which was the fashion in the late 80s and early 90s. bimota db1 might have been the first but Honda had several Hurricane models that were in that format.
The early 750 was air oil cooled and had the dreaded Weber carb. I think it was a two barrel downdraft style and was replaced on most bikes because of the difficulty in tuning. They had 16 inch wheels front and rear and no steering lock, which I found out to my excitement when I rode a friend's bike. Fortunately I did not drop it.
The second version the 906 the 900 was an increase in the displacement and the 6 was a move to the six speed transmission. I think they also got water cooling but retained the Weber. They still 16 inch wheels the associated weird handling and difficulty finding tires.
The third and arguably the best version was the 907 ie. It got fuel injection which cured the tuning woes, 17 inch wheels front and back plus new suspension. These features were from the early 851 that came with the old style right side up forks. I rode a friend's and was impressed with the low down torque of the motor, the comfort of the ride, and the improved handling the new suspension and wheels provided. I would have bought it from him if he had told me he was going to sell it.
Their styling was a breakthrough in its time but a trend that just did not last. Kind of a love hate sort of thing. I kind of liked the way it settled with the 907.
Tom I hope this helps.
Jim
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Paso owners.. what’s up with that model?
I see them and I don’t get it.. never did.
I’ve never ridden one, and maybe call me shallow, but I cant get past it visually.
906, 907.. ie.. any of them.
I think Gene Hunt, at least, had one.
What’s the appeal?
I’m not going to disagree.. trying to learn/understand, from an owners point of view.
And FWIW, I grew to appreciate Picasso’s cubist style.
Thanks.
…Tom
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Gene, there were actually two versions of white 750 Paso's. They built a
"limited" and then just painted another batch white that was just a
color option. It also came in Blue and of course Red. 750 Paso was my
first true Ducati, after a Cagiva Alazzurra which didn't count as a
Ducati but rode like one. I still own the handbuilt prototype that
Tamburini built for the Castiglioni's and displayed at the Milan show.
It runs but it's nothing at all like what went into production, all the
bodywork is different and it didn't have mirrors. The turn signals are
tape and the seat is hand carved foam. The frame is different, it weighs
about 100 lbs less and is a blast to ride. It's the bike the magazines
tested, thus the great reviews. The actual production bike was similar
but not the same, the extra weight really made it sluggish in side to
side transitions. Still, it's an important bike in Ducati history
because it's the first modern Ducati. Paso is also an important model
for a number of other reasons, foremost because it was proof that the
new owners respected the brand and could be trusted going forward in
their hands. At the time this was a big question. The Paso introduction
was a huge deal at the time, Cycle World gave it 16 or 17 pages and
deemed it "the shape of things to come". Also, it was the first use of
what we have come to know as Ducati Red, something I didn't learn until
a few years ago when Livio Lodi (he's the Ducati museum curator) told
me. Fortunately it's paint is still original.
Hey Gene, I see Donnie in this photo and realize maybe you can tell us
what's going on there...
Vicki
Gene Hunt wrote on 2/3/2022 1:26 PM:
There was also a limited edition in White, 750. John Esposito has one.
- Gene
YOUR Paso sounds remarkably better Vicki!
On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:
Gene, there were actually two versions of white 750 Paso's. They built a "limited" and then just painted another batch white that was just a color option. It also came in Blue and of course Red. 750 Paso was my first true Ducati, after a Cagiva Alazzurra which didn't count as a Ducati but rode like one. I still own the handbuilt prototype that Tamburini built for the Castiglioni's and displayed at the Milan show. It runs but it's nothing at all like what went into production, all the bodywork is different and it didn't have mirrors. The turn signals are tape and the seat is hand carved foam. The frame is different, it weighs about 100 lbs less and is a blast to ride. It's the bike the magazines tested, thus the great reviews. The actual production bike was similar but not the same, the extra weight really made it sluggish in side to side transitions. Still, it's an important bike in Ducati history because it's the first modern Ducati. Paso is also an important model for a number of other reasons, foremost because it was proof that the new owners respected the brand and could be trusted going forward in their hands. At the time this was a big question. The Paso introduction was a huge deal at the time, Cycle World gave it 16 or 17 pages and deemed it "the shape of things to come". Also, it was the first use of what we have come to know as Ducati Red, something I didn't learn until a few years ago when Livio Lodi (he's the Ducati museum curator) told me. Fortunately it's paint is still original.
Hey Gene, I see Donnie in this photo and realize maybe you can tell us what's going on there...
Vicki
Gene Hunt wrote on 2/3/2022 1:26 PM:
There was also a limited edition in White, 750. John Esposito has one. - Gene
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First Ducati I ever physically saw was a Paso. I was stationed in Omaha and hanging out with Clayton Potter a lot. He was going to trade his GSXR-1100 in for a new, blue 750 Paso they had in stock at a dealership in Lincoln. We rode down there, he on his GSXR and me on my VF500 Interceptor. He made the deal and I rode behind him all the way back to Omaha. I was so mesmerized by that metallic blue paint and the beauty of the bike that I almost swerved out of my lane a couple of times. I had no idea what Clay was riding but I thought it was absolutely beautiful. Still do.
Mario
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Cc: Ducati Owners Group ducati@ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] Re: What’s with the Paso?
Gene, there were actually two versions of white 750 Paso's. They built a "limited" and then just painted another batch white that was just a color option. It also came in Blue and of course Red. 750 Paso was my first true Ducati, after a Cagiva Alazzurra which didn't count as a Ducati but rode like one. I still own the handbuilt prototype that Tamburini built for the Castiglioni's and displayed at the Milan show. It runs but it's nothing at all like what went into production, all the bodywork is different and it didn't have mirrors. The turn signals are tape and the seat is hand carved foam. The frame is different, it weighs about 100 lbs less and is a blast to ride. It's the bike the magazines tested, thus the great reviews. The actual production bike was similar but not the same, the extra weight really made it sluggish in side to side transitions. Still, it's an important bike in Ducati history because it's the first modern Ducati. Paso is also an important model for a number of other reasons, foremost because it was proof that the new owners respected the brand and could be trusted going forward in their hands. At the time this was a big question. The Paso introduction was a huge deal at the time, Cycle World gave it 16 or 17 pages and deemed it "the shape of things to come". Also, it was the first use of what we have come to know as Ducati Red, something I didn't learn until a few years ago when Livio Lodi (he's the Ducati museum curator) told me. Fortunately it's paint is still original.
Hey Gene, I see Donnie in this photo and realize maybe you can tell us what's going on there...
Vicki
Gene Hunt wrote on 2/3/2022 1:26 PM:
There was also a limited edition in White, 750. John Esposito has one. - Gene
