Thanks again for more Stinson/ Stenson/ Stephenson information, Katie and William Johnston. I will have to do more research. It’s been a rough year for me. Issues with Computer and moving after 50 years. Keep up the good work on The Stinson’s and Devlin’s. Carol > On Sep 13, 2021, at 10:30 AM, William Johnston via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >  > My interest if not research tasks have now doubled. > I have a James Johnston born in Tyrone about 1800. His wife was Sarah Stinson. So now I have to see if Stevenson was used by her family. As far as I have found, James & Sarah had 3 children between 1827-1841. James Catherine & Ellen. I’m am also gathering titles and links for my research. > > >> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:20 AM Katie Green via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> So interesting, thank you. Are you able to trace the generation before your Joseph Stinson? My Olivia Stinson, b. ca 1821, married one of the many Hugh Devlins in Ardboe,Tyrone in 1835 — yes, extremely young, and the ceremony was Protestant, he Catholic. Their first child was named Peter, which might help in tracing, but the child died soon, it would seem, since he did not come with them to Canada when they emigrated in 1839. >> >> Katie Green >> >>> On Sep 13, 2021, at 5:31 AM, Bruce Newport via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >>> >>> Last year I was researching the ancestry of Joseph Irvine STEPHENSON (1878-1935) of Newtownstewart, Tyrone for a branch of my family. Despite knowing he was from Fermanagh and the names of some of his siblings I found no trace of his origins and had almost given up the search until I found a single mention of the surname STINSON in connection with the family. Then they all tumbled out of the records. >>> >>> Joseph STINSON (1844-1927) and his wife Elizabeth (nee WEIR) had a total of 13 children at Agho, Fermanagh, 11 of whom were named STINSON on birth registrations, 1 named STENSON and one record I was unable to find. The children were: Letitia Elizabeth (1874), Harriet Jane (1875), James “Jim” Henry (1877), Joseph Irvine (1878), Emily Katherine (1881), Bamford John (1882), Charlie E (1884), Mary Alice “Lily” (1886), Annie Frances (1888), Rebecca Susan (1890), Robert Edmund (1892), William Wallace (1892), George Reginald (1897). >>> >>> The first record I found of anyone in the family being recorded as STEPHENSON was the passenger list showing one of the girls returning from New York to Liverpool in 1900. The following year the family at Agho were all recorded as STEPHENSON in the 1901 census despite the last child having been recorded as STINSON at birth only four years earlier. I found two more records of children being recorded as STINSON in the early 1900’s on travel documents but other than that, all later records I found have stated STEPHENSON. >>> >>> Of the 13 children, the eldest son remained in Fermanagh, 3 children relocated to Tyrone, 7 emigrated to the US, and the destiny of two is unknown. >>> >>> The oldest surviving descendant of this line, born 1934 in Newtownstewart and the source of all my original information about some of those 13 children, told me she had never heard any reference to the name STINSON and was quite shocked by the revelation. >>> >>> >>> From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList >>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:34 AM >>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List >>> Cc: Elwyn Soutter >>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Stevenson, Stinson >>> >>> Katie, >>> >>> The idea of a single or correct spelling for a surname or a place name in Ireland is very much a recent phenomenon designed to meet the needs of modern officialdom. Before that there was no consistency. Names were spelled phonetically and each variation was down to the whim of the particular person recording the information. You will often see the spelling change as the records go back. This rarely indicates a deliberate decision to alter the name, nor even a mistake. Not everyone was literate, but even when they were, exact and consistent spelling simply wasn’t something they bothered about. In addition to varying the actual spelling, O’ or Mac prefixes were optional and were often omitted. >>> >>> In 1899, the Rev Smith reviewed the early records of Antrim 1st Presbyterian church (covering the years 1674 to c 1736). He noted: “Even the same word is not always spelled alike by the same hand. Indeed spelling with most of the recording officials (and they must have been fairly numerous) was a matter of the most sublime indifference. The name William, for instance, is spelled 3 different ways in as many lines; while Donegore, a neighbouring parish, is spelled 10 different ways; but these extend over a good number of years. Many families names are spelled phonetically, while others are given in the most round-about fashion.” >>> >>> There are also many interchangeable names in Ireland and you can expect to see either version feature in the same family. So it’s wise to search Irish records using both versions. >>> >>> Examples of interchangeable surnames are: McDowell & Madole, Robertson & Robinson, Kilpatrick and Kirkpatrick, Nogher & Connor, Patterson & Pattison, Faulkner & Falconer, McConnell & McDonnell, Kerr & Carr, Stewart & Stuart, McKinney & Mackenzie, plus obviously Stevenson & Steenson. >>> >>> Many forenames are also interchangeable eg Jean & Jane, Jenny & Janet, Nancy, Agnes & Ann are all interchangeable, Sally & Sarah, Sheila & Julia, Mary & May, Peggy & Margaret, Peter & Patrick, Sean & John, John & Jack, Edward & Edmund, Henry & Harry, Robin & Robert, Roy & Robert, Kathleen & Catherine. (The famous Scottish poet Robert Burns was never known as Robert to his friends. He was always Robin to them). It’s just something that needs to be taken into account when searching Irish and Scottish records. >>> >>> As far as Stevenson and Steenson is concerned, you might find it helpful to think about how that name is pronounced and spoken here in Ulster. We speak quickly with the emphasis on the first syllable. So Stevenson & Steenson sound much the same. In the same way, McDowell is pronounced Madole here, so leading to the alternative spelling. >>> >>> Expect spelling to vary. That was the norm. No caste implications, just the way we speak. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Elwyn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, 12 September 2021, 19:16:33 BST, Katie Green via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello folks, >>> >>> I have long wondered how the name Stinson or Stenson came to be a version of Stevenson and what the import of that fore-shortening was. (There are Stinsons in my ancestry.) Was there caste implications involved? 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On Sep 13, 2021, at 5:31 AM, Bruce Newport via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Last year I was researching the ancestry of Joseph Irvine STEPHENSON (1878-1935) of Newtownstewart, Tyrone for a branch of my family. Despite knowing he was from Fermanagh and the names of some of his siblings I found no trace of his origins and had almost given up the search until I found a single mention of the surname STINSON in connection with the family. Then they all tumbled out of the records. 

Joseph STINSON (1844-1927) and his wife Elizabeth (nee WEIR) had a total of 13 children at Agho, Fermanagh, 11 of whom were named STINSON on birth registrations, 1 named STENSON and one record I was unable to find. The children were: Letitia Elizabeth (1874), Harriet Jane (1875), James “Jim” Henry (1877), Joseph Irvine (1878), Emily Katherine (1881), Bamford John (1882), Charlie E (1884), Mary Alice “Lily” (1886), Annie Frances (1888), Rebecca Susan (1890), Robert Edmund (1892), William Wallace (1892), George Reginald (1897).

The first record I found of anyone in the family being recorded as STEPHENSON was the passenger list showing one of the girls returning from New York to Liverpool in 1900. The following year the family at Agho were all recorded as STEPHENSON in the 1901 census despite the last child having been recorded as STINSON at birth only four years earlier. I found two more records of children being recorded as STINSON in the early 1900’s on travel documents but other than that, all  later records I found have stated STEPHENSON.

Of the 13 children, the eldest son remained in Fermanagh, 3 children relocated to Tyrone, 7 emigrated to the US, and the destiny of two is unknown.

The oldest surviving descendant of this line, born 1934 in Newtownstewart and the source of all my original information about some of those 13 children, told me she had never heard any reference to the name STINSON and was quite shocked by the revelation.


From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:34 AM
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Cc: Elwyn Soutter 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Stevenson, Stinson

Katie,


The idea of a single or correct spelling for a surname or a place name in Ireland is very much a recent phenomenon designed to meet the needs of modern officialdom. Before that there was no consistency. Names were spelled phonetically and each variation was down to the whim of the particular person recording the information. You will often see the spelling change as the records go back. This rarely indicates a deliberate decision to alter the name, nor even a mistake. Not everyone was literate, but even when they were, exact and consistent spelling simply wasn’t something they bothered about. In addition to varying the actual spelling, O’ or Mac prefixes were optional and were often omitted. 


In 1899, the Rev Smith reviewed the early records of Antrim 1st Presbyterian church (covering the years 1674 to c 1736). He noted: “Even the same word is not always spelled alike by the same hand. Indeed spelling with most of the recording officials (and they must have been fairly numerous) was a matter of the most sublime indifference. The name William, for instance, is spelled 3 different ways in as many lines; while Donegore, a neighbouring parish, is spelled 10 different ways; but these extend over a good number of years. Many families names are spelled phonetically, while others are given in the most round-about fashion.”


There are also many interchangeable names in Ireland and you can expect to see either version feature in the same family. So it’s wise to search Irish records using both versions.


Examples of interchangeable surnames are: McDowell & Madole, Robertson & Robinson, Kilpatrick and Kirkpatrick, Nogher & Connor, Patterson & Pattison, Faulkner & Falconer, McConnell & McDonnell, Kerr & Carr, Stewart & Stuart, McKinney & Mackenzie, plus obviously Stevenson & Steenson. 


Many forenames are also interchangeable eg Jean & Jane, Jenny & Janet, Nancy, Agnes & Ann are all interchangeable, Sally & Sarah, Sheila & Julia, Mary & May, Peggy & Margaret, Peter & Patrick, Sean & John, John & Jack, Edward & Edmund, Henry & Harry, Robin & Robert, Roy & Robert, Kathleen & Catherine. (The famous Scottish poet Robert Burns was never known as Robert to his friends. He was always Robin to them). It’s just something that needs to be taken into account when searching Irish and Scottish records.


As far as Stevenson and Steenson is concerned, you might find it helpful to think about how that name is pronounced and spoken here in Ulster. We speak quickly with the emphasis on the first syllable.  So Stevenson & Steenson sound much the same.  In the same way, McDowell is pronounced Madole here, so leading to the alternative spelling.


Expect spelling to vary. That was the norm. No caste implications, just the way we speak.







Elwyn














On Sunday, 12 September 2021, 19:16:33 BST, Katie Green via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: 


Hello folks,


I have long wondered how the name Stinson or Stenson came to be a version of Stevenson and what the import of that fore-shortening was. (There are Stinsons in my ancestry.) Was there caste implications involved? Anybody know?


Katie Green

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In response to Katie Green: I only know that the father of Joseph STINSON (1844-1927) was a Richard STINSON. Bruce From: William Johnston via CoTyroneList Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:29 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: William Johnston Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Stevenson, Stinson My interest if not research tasks have now doubled. I have a James Johnston born in Tyrone about 1800. His wife was Sarah Stinson. So now I have to see if Stevenson was used by her family. As far as I have found, James & Sarah had 3 children between 1827-1841. James Catherine & Ellen. I’m am also gathering titles and links for my research. On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:20 AM Katie Green via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: So interesting, thank you. Are you able to trace the generation before your Joseph Stinson? My Olivia Stinson, b. ca 1821, married one of the many Hugh Devlins in Ardboe,Tyrone in 1835 — yes, extremely young, and the ceremony was Protestant, he Catholic. Their first child was named Peter, which might help in tracing, but the child died soon, it would seem, since he did not come with them to Canada when they emigrated in 1839. Katie Green On Sep 13, 2021, at 5:31 AM, Bruce Newport via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Last year I was researching the ancestry of Joseph Irvine STEPHENSON (1878-1935) of Newtownstewart, Tyrone for a branch of my family. Despite knowing he was from Fermanagh and the names of some of his siblings I found no trace of his origins and had almost given up the search until I found a single mention of the surname STINSON in connection with the family. Then they all tumbled out of the records. Joseph STINSON (1844-1927) and his wife Elizabeth (nee WEIR) had a total of 13 children at Agho, Fermanagh, 11 of whom were named STINSON on birth registrations, 1 named STENSON and one record I was unable to find. The children were: Letitia Elizabeth (1874), Harriet Jane (1875), James “Jim” Henry (1877), Joseph Irvine (1878), Emily Katherine (1881), Bamford John (1882), Charlie E (1884), Mary Alice “Lily” (1886), Annie Frances (1888), Rebecca Susan (1890), Robert Edmund (1892), William Wallace (1892), George Reginald (1897). The first record I found of anyone in the family being recorded as STEPHENSON was the passenger list showing one of the girls returning from New York to Liverpool in 1900. The following year the family at Agho were all recorded as STEPHENSON in the 1901 census despite the last child having been recorded as STINSON at birth only four years earlier. I found two more records of children being recorded as STINSON in the early 1900’s on travel documents but other than that, all later records I found have stated STEPHENSON. Of the 13 children, the eldest son remained in Fermanagh, 3 children relocated to Tyrone, 7 emigrated to the US, and the destiny of two is unknown. The oldest surviving descendant of this line, born 1934 in Newtownstewart and the source of all my original information about some of those 13 children, told me she had never heard any reference to the name STINSON and was quite shocked by the revelation. From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:34 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Elwyn Soutter Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Stevenson, Stinson Katie, The idea of a single or correct spelling for a surname or a place name in Ireland is very much a recent phenomenon designed to meet the needs of modern officialdom. Before that there was no consistency. Names were spelled phonetically and each variation was down to the whim of the particular person recording the information. You will often see the spelling change as the records go back. This rarely indicates a deliberate decision to alter the name, nor even a mistake. Not everyone was literate, but even when they were, exact and consistent spelling simply wasn’t something they bothered about. In addition to varying the actual spelling, O’ or Mac prefixes were optional and were often omitted. In 1899, the Rev Smith reviewed the early records of Antrim 1st Presbyterian church (covering the years 1674 to c 1736). He noted: “Even the same word is not always spelled alike by the same hand. Indeed spelling with most of the recording officials (and they must have been fairly numerous) was a matter of the most sublime indifference. The name William, for instance, is spelled 3 different ways in as many lines; while Donegore, a neighbouring parish, is spelled 10 different ways; but these extend over a good number of years. Many families names are spelled phonetically, while others are given in the most round-about fashion.” There are also many interchangeable names in Ireland and you can expect to see either version feature in the same family. So it’s wise to search Irish records using both versions. Examples of interchangeable surnames are: McDowell & Madole, Robertson & Robinson, Kilpatrick and Kirkpatrick, Nogher & Connor, Patterson & Pattison, Faulkner & Falconer, McConnell & McDonnell, Kerr & Carr, Stewart & Stuart, McKinney & Mackenzie, plus obviously Stevenson & Steenson. Many forenames are also interchangeable eg Jean & Jane, Jenny & Janet, Nancy, Agnes & Ann are all interchangeable, Sally & Sarah, Sheila & Julia, Mary & May, Peggy & Margaret, Peter & Patrick, Sean & John, John & Jack, Edward & Edmund, Henry & Harry, Robin & Robert, Roy & Robert, Kathleen & Catherine. (The famous Scottish poet Robert Burns was never known as Robert to his friends. He was always Robin to them). It’s just something that needs to be taken into account when searching Irish and Scottish records. As far as Stevenson and Steenson is concerned, you might find it helpful to think about how that name is pronounced and spoken here in Ulster. We speak quickly with the emphasis on the first syllable. So Stevenson & Steenson sound much the same. In the same way, McDowell is pronounced Madole here, so leading to the alternative spelling. Expect spelling to vary. That was the norm. No caste implications, just the way we speak. Elwyn On Sunday, 12 September 2021, 19:16:33 BST, Katie Green via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hello folks, I have long wondered how the name Stinson or Stenson came to be a version of Stevenson and what the import of that fore-shortening was. (There are Stinsons in my ancestry.) Was there caste implications involved? Anybody know? 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