NDC Good article on the future or motors/emissions and sciency stuff describing same, moto rambling

GG
Gleeb Gliber Galactica Gavorti
Mon, Aug 3, 2020 7:17 PM

hey and hi, All

I generally don't have time these days to read much new moto related stuff,
partially because I just miss my 92 Supersport so much & plan an '89 FZR400
as my next project so don't concern myself. (Read: Can't Afford A New Bike
That I'd Prefer owning as well)

But this was a good read.
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/inside-ktm-890-duke-r/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-Poh-142FsP-1c-4tBw-1c-142Yiv-l4vkcp4wHT-1XfrB1

If not a bit disappointing.  Anyways, I've had a taste of some of the
electronic-wizardry-clad stuff that is becoming the norm, even on dirt
bikes, and OMG TC and ABS are actually useful (now).  Fell in love with a
1290 Duke after about 3 seconds.

What saddened me is a recent conversation I had with a new rider who
rationalized he needed something that did everything for him as his first
bike so he could concentrate on learning other aspects of riding (not
letting stuff hit you for example).  He certainly has a point.  But I
always advise people who want to learn to ride to start off-road if at all
possible an/or start with a dual sport (less stuff to break also) .  Learn
limits of traction and what it's like to surpass them (repeatedly), that
it's OK to crash (because you're WEARING GEAR) (again, repeatedly), teaches
the perils of target fixation (repeatedly) without particularly negative
results and tends to establish good habits and knowledge you can never
learn on the streets.  I'd say the same thing about track riding, but the
stakes are still far higher, bikes clostier (?), crashing still far more
annoying, and is far less convenient (for most).

Damn...  I need a track day now.

OK back to work so I can afford to build the FZR (hope to make it part time
track tool) back up.

RIDE WELL!

Gabriel
2010 Strada 1200S
2015 1290 KTM SA
1989 FZR400 (because Good RZ350's Costs about what I paid for my 1290)
1990 Kawasaki ZXR250R -Ca Plated, De-Restricted Model (yes they even
restrict 250's) 19,000 rpm novelty but sounds fantastic.  Selling -I'd keep
if it was a 400
2004 KTM EXC400

All things in moderation (Especially moderation).

hey and hi, All I generally don't have time these days to read much new moto related stuff, partially because I just miss my 92 Supersport so much & plan an '89 FZR400 as my next project so don't concern myself. (Read: Can't Afford A New Bike That I'd Prefer owning as well) But this was a good read. https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/inside-ktm-890-duke-r/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-Poh-142FsP-1c-4tBw-1c-142Yiv-l4vkcp4wHT-1XfrB1 If not a bit disappointing. Anyways, I've had a taste of some of the electronic-wizardry-clad stuff that is becoming the norm, even on dirt bikes, and OMG TC and ABS are actually useful (now). Fell in love with a 1290 Duke after about 3 seconds. What saddened me is a recent conversation I had with a new rider who rationalized he needed something that did everything for him as his first bike so he could concentrate on learning other aspects of riding (not letting stuff hit you for example). He certainly has a point. But I always advise people who want to learn to ride to start off-road if at all possible an/or start with a dual sport (less stuff to break also) . Learn limits of traction and what it's like to surpass them (repeatedly), that it's OK to crash (because you're WEARING GEAR) (again, repeatedly), teaches the perils of target fixation (repeatedly) without particularly negative results and tends to establish good habits and knowledge you can never learn on the streets. I'd say the same thing about track riding, but the stakes are still far higher, bikes clostier (?), crashing still far more annoying, and is far less convenient (for most). Damn... I need a track day now. OK back to work so I can afford to build the FZR (hope to make it part time track tool) back up. RIDE WELL! Gabriel 2010 Strada 1200S 2015 1290 KTM SA 1989 FZR400 (because Good RZ350's Costs about what I paid for my 1290) 1990 Kawasaki ZXR250R -Ca Plated, De-Restricted Model (yes they even restrict 250's) 19,000 rpm novelty but sounds fantastic. Selling -I'd keep if it was a 400 2004 KTM EXC400 -- All things in moderation (Especially moderation).
GH
Gene Hunt
Mon, Aug 3, 2020 8:33 PM

I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is becoming a problem. Also in most cases you only have a license for the software, which without it the motorcycle is pretty much art. - Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's -  02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200


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Subject: [Ducati] NDC Good article on the future or motors/emissions and sciency stuff describing same, moto rambling

hey and hi, All

I generally don't have time these days to read much new moto related stuff,
partially because I just miss my 92 Supersport so much & plan an '89 FZR400
as my next project so don't concern myself. (Read: Can't Afford A New Bike
That I'd Prefer owning as well)

But this was a good read.
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/inside-ktm-890-duke-r/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-Poh-142FsP-1c-4tBw-1c-142Yiv-l4vkcp4wHT-1XfrB1

If not a bit disappointing.  Anyways, I've had a taste of some of the
electronic-wizardry-clad stuff that is becoming the norm, even on dirt
bikes, and OMG TC and ABS are actually useful (now).  Fell in love with a
1290 Duke after about 3 seconds.

What saddened me is a recent conversation I had with a new rider who
rationalized he needed something that did everything for him as his first
bike so he could concentrate on learning other aspects of riding (not
letting stuff hit you for example).  He certainly has a point.  But I
always advise people who want to learn to ride to start off-road if at all
possible an/or start with a dual sport (less stuff to break also) .  Learn
limits of traction and what it's like to surpass them (repeatedly), that
it's OK to crash (because you're WEARING GEAR) (again, repeatedly), teaches
the perils of target fixation (repeatedly) without particularly negative
results and tends to establish good habits and knowledge you can never
learn on the streets.  I'd say the same thing about track riding, but the
stakes are still far higher, bikes clostier (?), crashing still far more
annoying, and is far less convenient (for most).

Damn...  I need a track day now.

OK back to work so I can afford to build the FZR (hope to make it part time
track tool) back up.

RIDE WELL!

Gabriel
2010 Strada 1200S
2015 1290 KTM SA
1989 FZR400 (because Good RZ350's Costs about what I paid for my 1290)
1990 Kawasaki ZXR250R -Ca Plated, De-Restricted Model (yes they even
restrict 250's) 19,000 rpm novelty but sounds fantastic.  Selling -I'd keep
if it was a 400
2004 KTM EXC400

All things in moderation (Especially moderation).

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I accept all that electronics stuff but it comes at a cost, which is becoming a problem. Also in most cases you only have a license for the software, which without it the motorcycle is pretty much art. - Gene "I Know a Few Roads" Patriot Guard Rider AMA Charter Life Member #598925 Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club DUCATI.net Member USDESMO Member #1263 EX-MSF Instructor EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel HD - 09' XR1200 ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Gleeb Gliber Galactica Gavorti <uncleixel@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:17 PM To: ducati@ducati.net <ducati@ducati.net> Subject: [Ducati] NDC Good article on the future or motors/emissions and sciency stuff describing same, moto rambling hey and hi, All I generally don't have time these days to read much new moto related stuff, partially because I just miss my 92 Supersport so much & plan an '89 FZR400 as my next project so don't concern myself. (Read: Can't Afford A New Bike That I'd Prefer owning as well) But this was a good read. https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/inside-ktm-890-duke-r/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-Poh-142FsP-1c-4tBw-1c-142Yiv-l4vkcp4wHT-1XfrB1 If not a bit disappointing. Anyways, I've had a taste of some of the electronic-wizardry-clad stuff that is becoming the norm, even on dirt bikes, and OMG TC and ABS are actually useful (now). Fell in love with a 1290 Duke after about 3 seconds. What saddened me is a recent conversation I had with a new rider who rationalized he needed something that did everything for him as his first bike so he could concentrate on learning other aspects of riding (not letting stuff hit you for example). He certainly has a point. But I always advise people who want to learn to ride to start off-road if at all possible an/or start with a dual sport (less stuff to break also) . Learn limits of traction and what it's like to surpass them (repeatedly), that it's OK to crash (because you're WEARING GEAR) (again, repeatedly), teaches the perils of target fixation (repeatedly) without particularly negative results and tends to establish good habits and knowledge you can never learn on the streets. I'd say the same thing about track riding, but the stakes are still far higher, bikes clostier (?), crashing still far more annoying, and is far less convenient (for most). Damn... I need a track day now. OK back to work so I can afford to build the FZR (hope to make it part time track tool) back up. RIDE WELL! Gabriel 2010 Strada 1200S 2015 1290 KTM SA 1989 FZR400 (because Good RZ350's Costs about what I paid for my 1290) 1990 Kawasaki ZXR250R -Ca Plated, De-Restricted Model (yes they even restrict 250's) 19,000 rpm novelty but sounds fantastic. Selling -I'd keep if it was a 400 2004 KTM EXC400 -- All things in moderation (Especially moderation). To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: twolanefun@outlook.com