Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast
Referring to the PRONI e-catalogue www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecataloguehttp://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support
Jim

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane <ekane24551@aol.commailto:ekane24551@aol.com> wrote:
James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ed Kane

Les
 I had little hope that any would survive. Thanks for your efforts. Ed Kane
In a message dated 7/30/2022 7:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, len_swindley@hotmail.com writes: 

Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast 

Referring to the PRONI e-catalogue www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com wrote:

James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ed Kane

School attendance records are listed on the PRONI website listed by parish and the prefix SCH/-. 4 schools in Kildress parish do have records but sadly Dunnamore is not one of them.
Elwyn
On Saturday, 30 July 2022, 12:36:19 BST, Edward Kane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Les
 I had little hope that any would survive. Thanks for your efforts. Ed Kane
In a message dated 7/30/2022 7:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, len_swindley@hotmail.com writes: 

Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast 

Referring to the PRONI e-catalogue www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com wrote:

James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ed Kane

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Elwyn
 Thank you and all for your efforts.  I really appreciate your taking the time to help me out. Best wishes to all of you. Ed Kane
In a message dated 8/1/2022 2:57:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk writes: 
 School attendance records are listed on the PRONI website listed by parish and the prefix SCH/-. 4 schools in Kildress parish do have records but sadly Dunnamore is not one of them. Elwyn On Saturday, 30 July 2022, 12:36:19 BST, Edward Kane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:  Les
 I had little hope that any would survive. Thanks for your efforts. Ed Kane
In a message dated 7/30/2022 7:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, len_swindley@hotmail.com writes: 

Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast 

Referring to the PRONI e-catalogue www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com wrote:

James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ed Kane

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Hi, Elwyn  ..  I am a grandson of a Kildress resident.

For interest, what are the four schools that PRONI holds records for, and (if available) what dates are covered?

Many thanks.

James Huey (in Sydney, Australia, but planning to be in Kildress (and Belfast) next week!! )

From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 4:57 AM
To: len_swindley@hotmail.com; jamckane@gmail.com; cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Contact Page Query

School attendance records are listed on the PRONI website listed by parish and the prefix SCH/-. 4 schools in Kildress parish do have records but sadly Dunnamore is not one of them.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 30 July 2022, 12:36:19 BST, Edward Kane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Les

I had little hope that any would survive.

Thanks for your efforts.

Ed Kane

In a message dated 7/30/2022 7:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com writes:

Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast

Referring to the PRONI e-catalogue www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecataloguehttp://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.commailto:jamckane@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane <ekane24551@aol.commailto:ekane24551@aol.com>
Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane <ekane24551@aol.commailto:ekane24551@aol.com> wrote:

James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ed Kane

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James, 

I realise now that there are actually only 3 schools in Kildress whose attendance records have made it to PRONI. One is in twice as it had 2 different names which is why I originally said there were 4. There’s actually only 3:

Orritor SCH/752

St Joseph’s or Killeenan SCH/1536

Glenarney SCH/416.

Those attendance records are not on-line. They are the originals and you order them up in the main reading room. They usually take about 20 minutes to come up. You can order up to 5 sets of records at any one time. (The staff will explain). 

My index to schools doesn’t give any dates for the years covered. (I have attached it in case anyone else is interested). I have used them a fair bit. There aren’t many records  for the period 1830 – 1870 but after that they improve. But there are loads of gaps. 

A separate set of records exist for the management of the schools. Under the PRONI EDD reference system. They contain management information. They can be great reading. So records of teachers, their salaries, school inspectors reports, HR issues,  teachers fiddling the attendance records (usually to try and get an additional teacher); teachers with a bottle of nippy sweetie under their desk.  And worse. (Teachers suddenly sacked after an “incident.” ).

In the mid 1800s many parents couldn't see the point of sending their children to school. They felt the children would be much more useful at home about the farm/cottage especially at harvest time.  Children might therefore turn up in the morning but be called home in the afternoon. Not much the teacher could do really as it wasn't obligatory for children to attend school then.

If you are planning to go to PRONI, on your first visit, take your passport or some other photo id to get your readers ticket. (Takes 2 minutes).  Pencil and paper to transcribe records.  No pens. 

Some say you should bring an umbrella to Ireland as well (but you probably knew that anyway). We residents all have scales and flippers so don’t need umbrellas but we feel it’s good advice to give to overseas visitors. Hope you enjoy your stay here.

 
Elwyn

On Tuesday, 2 August 2022, 00:59:49 BST, James Huey <james@jameshuey.com> wrote:  

Hi, Elwyn   ..  I am a grandson of a Kildress resident.

For interest, what are the four schools that PRONI holds records for, and (if available) what dates are covered?

Many thanks.

James Huey (in Sydney, Australia, butplanning to be in Kildress (and Belfast) next week!! )

From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 4:57 AM
To: len_swindley@hotmail.com; jamckane@gmail.com; cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Contact Page Query

School attendance records are listed on the PRONI website listed by parish and the prefix SCH/-. 4 schools in Kildress parish do have records but sadly Dunnamore is not one of them.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 30 July 2022, 12:36:19 BST, Edward Kane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Les

I had little hope that any would survive.

Thanks for your efforts.

Ed Kane

In a message dated 7/30/2022 7:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, len_swindley@hotmail.com writes:

Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast 

Referring to the PRONI e-cataloguewww.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane ekane24551@aol.com wrote:

James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ed Kane

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Thanks, Elwyn

The Orritor school records could be interesting  .. so I’ll check them out.  I’ve been there (Orritor) for Presbyterian Church records previously. My ancestral home (farm) is in line of sight of Orritor but over on the south side of the Ballinderry River (Townland Clare). My family had marriage connections with several neighbours (Steele, Reynolds, Adams, Bracken), and across to Drum Manor  ..  and my grandfather’s brother had business in Cookstown, and later Belfast + Newry.

I’ve visited the area many times before – and already have my readers ticket for PRONI – which you’ve gently reminded me to bring (thank you!).

Looking forward to it !

James (In Sydney >> to Dublin arriving Friday, then heading north!)

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James,

I realise now that there are actually only 3 schools in Kildress whose attendance records have made it to PRONI. One is in twice as it had 2 different names which is why I originally said there were 4. There’s actually only 3:

Orritor SCH/752

St Joseph’s or Killeenan SCH/1536

Glenarney SCH/416.

Those attendance records are not on-line. They are the originals and you order them up in the main reading room. They usually take about 20 minutes to come up. You can order up to 5 sets of records at any one time. (The staff will explain).

My index to schools doesn’t give any dates for the years covered. (I have attached it in case anyone else is interested). I have used them a fair bit. There aren’t many records  for the period 1830 – 1870 but after that they improve. But there are loads of gaps.

A separate set of records exist for the management of the schools. Under the PRONI EDD reference system. They contain management information. They can be great reading. So records of teachers, their salaries, school inspectors reports, HR issues,  teachers fiddling the attendance records (usually to try and get an additional teacher); teachers with a bottle of nippy sweetie under their desk.  And worse. (Teachers suddenly sacked after an “incident.” ).

In the mid 1800s many parents couldn't see the point of sending their children to school. They felt the children would be much more useful at home about the farm/cottage especially at harvest time.  Children might therefore turn up in the morning but be called home in the afternoon. Not much the teacher could do really as it wasn't obligatory for children to attend school then.

If you are planning to go to PRONI, on your first visit, take your passport or some other photo id to get your readers ticket. (Takes 2 minutes).  Pencil and paper to transcribe records.  No pens.

Some say you should bring an umbrella to Ireland as well (but you probably knew that anyway). We residents all have scales and flippers so don’t need umbrellas but we feel it’s good advice to give to overseas visitors. Hope you enjoy your stay here.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 2 August 2022, 00:59:49 BST, James Huey <james@jameshuey.commailto:james@jameshuey.com> wrote:

Hi, Elwyn  ..  I am a grandson of a Kildress resident.

For interest, what are the four schools that PRONI holds records for, and (if available) what dates are covered?

Many thanks.

James Huey (in Sydney, Australia, but planning to be in Kildress (and Belfast) next week!! )

From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 4:57 AM
To: len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com; jamckane@gmail.commailto:jamckane@gmail.com; cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; Edward Kane <ekane24551@aol.commailto:ekane24551@aol.com>
Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.ukmailto:elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Contact Page Query

School attendance records are listed on the PRONI website listed by parish and the prefix SCH/-. 4 schools in Kildress parish do have records but sadly Dunnamore is not one of them.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 30 July 2022, 12:36:19 BST, Edward Kane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Les

I had little hope that any would survive.

Thanks for your efforts.

Ed Kane

In a message dated 7/30/2022 7:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com writes:

Jim and Edward,

It is unlikely that any student records for Dunnamore National School, near Cookstown, Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone have survived; such a timeline is so early in Ireland (pre Famine); generally records of student enrolments do not commence until the late nineteenth century. It is difficult that such records have survived, but will be archived in PRONI, Belfast

Referring to the PRONI e-catalogue www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecataloguehttp://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-pronis-ecatalogue I see a downable reference to a grant aid application made in 1838 which includes signatures of some parents. Hopes this is of some assistance,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.commailto:jamckane@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 3:48 AM
To: Edward Kane <ekane24551@aol.commailto:ekane24551@aol.com>
Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

I have no idea; however, I have copied Len Swindley on this email in the event he may know.

Thanks for your support

Jim

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:57 PM Edward Kane <ekane24551@aol.commailto:ekane24551@aol.com> wrote:

James

My ancestors likely were tenants on land surrounding Dunnamore National School.  I saw the write up on it by Burns.  He could not add anything to what was already written.

My question is are any of the early records from the school still in existence (1828 - 1834 time frame).

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ed Kane

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