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Mario Baroz

Wed, Sep 16, 2020 6:25 PM

I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship". Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me.

I started watching GP racing in 1983 when Freddie Spencer started his rise. There have been spectacular racers, races, events, and personalities throughout the years and Rossi and his exploits have been up there with the best ever. But there were legends before him and there will be legends after him. He's in the conversation for GOAT no doubt but I don't believe he was the savior of MotoGP or the lone reason the sport has been entertaining. I know I'm in the minority but while I respect, like, and enjoy Valentino Rossi and all that he brings, I'm not in the group that thinks he is the essence of MotoGP.

I must be in the extreme minority because I didn't think Mick Doohan winning 5 championships and tons of races was boring. I didn't think Wayne Rainey's winning was boring. I didn't think Rossi's dominance was boring. I haven't thought MM93's dominance these last years has been boring. I enjoy all of it.

Mario

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I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship". Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me. I started watching GP racing in 1983 when Freddie Spencer started his rise. There have been spectacular racers, races, events, and personalities throughout the years and Rossi and his exploits have been up there with the best ever. But there were legends before him and there will be legends after him. He's in the conversation for GOAT no doubt but I don't believe he was the savior of MotoGP or the lone reason the sport has been entertaining. I know I'm in the minority but while I respect, like, and enjoy Valentino Rossi and all that he brings, I'm not in the group that thinks he is the essence of MotoGP. I must be in the extreme minority because I didn't think Mick Doohan winning 5 championships and tons of races was boring. I didn't think Wayne Rainey's winning was boring. I didn't think Rossi's dominance was boring. I haven't thought MM93's dominance these last years has been boring. I enjoy all of it. Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of MICHAEL ADORNETTO via Ducati <ducati@list.ducati.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:17 PM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Cc: MICHAEL ADORNETTO <mcacorse@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Marquez's absence has lessened the value.. To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: mariobaroz@hotmail.com

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Tony Pags

Wed, Sep 16, 2020 6:46 PM

I think that's just it though - what "could have happened", didn't. MS58
was likely on his way to a fantastic MotoGP career, that may have yielded a
championship or 5, who knows? The championships in his absence are no less
championships.

I think it was Rossi that said something to the effect that the greatest
motorcycle racer of all time has probably never touched a motorcycle. It's
a simple numbers/opportunity game, and naive to think of the billions of
people on the planet, MM is the greatest ever and found the sport, had the
support etc. Kind of mind blowing like the search for
extra-terrestrial life. ;-)

Pags

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:

I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship".
Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a
great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the
back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin
would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact
that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting
hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's
still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't
know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys
are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence
still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me.

I think that's just it though - what "could have happened", didn't. MS58 was likely on his way to a fantastic MotoGP career, that may have yielded a championship or 5, who knows? The championships in his absence are no less championships. I think it was Rossi that said something to the effect that the greatest motorcycle racer of all time has probably never touched a motorcycle. It's a simple numbers/opportunity game, and naive to think of the billions of people on the planet, MM is the greatest ever and found the sport, had the support etc. Kind of mind blowing like the search for extra-terrestrial life. ;-) Pags On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship". > Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a > great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the > back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin > would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact > that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting > hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's > still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't > know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys > are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence > still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me. > >

SR

Sandro Reis

Thu, Oct 22, 2020 2:39 PM

I think both can be true.

2020's champion won't have an asterisk next to his name. The races have
been incredible and I for one would love for the champion to manage to do
it without a single win, just for the record books. It's possible!

Now if and when Márquez comes back, and he he basically run laps around his
opponents as he was doing on the last race he was running, on that
impossible bike to ride, well, that domination over the entire field will
certainly push Márquez goat status to the top.

For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the
2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of
some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have
endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers
setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and
now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash.

Repeats Jerez, Aragon, then add Barcelona and Valencia, tracks I'm really
not fond of.

Missing Assen, Silverstone, Philip Island, the odd track list alone makes
me think 2020 deserves an asterisk no matter how entertaining it is.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:47 Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

I think that's just it though - what "could have happened", didn't.
MS58 was likely on his way to a fantastic MotoGP career, that may have
yielded a championship or 5, who knows? The championships in his absence
are no less championships.

I think it was Rossi that said something to the effect that the greatest
motorcycle racer of all time has probably never touched a motorcycle. It's
a simple numbers/opportunity game, and naive to think of the billions of
people on the planet, MM is the greatest ever and found the sport, had the
support etc. Kind of mind blowing like the search for
extra-terrestrial life. ;-)

Pags

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com
wrote:

I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship".
Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a
great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the
back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin
would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact
that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting
hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's
still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't
know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys
are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence
still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me.

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I think both can be true. 2020's champion won't have an asterisk next to his name. The races have been incredible and I for one would love for the champion to manage to do it without a single win, just for the record books. It's possible! Now if and when Márquez comes back, and he he basically run laps around his opponents as he was doing on the last race he was running, on that impossible bike to ride, well, that domination over the entire field will certainly push Márquez goat status to the top. For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash. Repeats Jerez, Aragon, then add Barcelona and Valencia, tracks I'm really not fond of. Missing Assen, Silverstone, Philip Island, the odd track list alone makes me think 2020 deserves an asterisk no matter how entertaining it is. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:47 Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > I think that's just it though - what "could have happened", didn't. > MS58 was likely on his way to a fantastic MotoGP career, that may have > yielded a championship or 5, who knows? The championships in his absence > are no less championships. > > I think it was Rossi that said something to the effect that the greatest > motorcycle racer of all time has probably never touched a motorcycle. It's > a simple numbers/opportunity game, and naive to think of the billions of > people on the planet, MM is the greatest ever and found the sport, had the > support etc. Kind of mind blowing like the search for > extra-terrestrial life. ;-) > > Pags > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship". >> Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a >> great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the >> back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin >> would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact >> that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting >> hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's >> still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't >> know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys >> are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence >> still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me. >> >> > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: sandro.f.reis@gmail.com >

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Tony Pags

Thu, Oct 22, 2020 3:24 PM

Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in back
to back races!

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis sandro.f.reis@gmail.com
wrote:

For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the
2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of
some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have
endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers
setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and
now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash.

Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in back to back races! On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis <sandro.f.reis@gmail.com> wrote: > > For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the > 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of > some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have > endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers > setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and > now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash. > >

SR

Sandro Reis

Thu, Oct 22, 2020 4:58 PM

Exactly. That doesn't mean the riders learned to be faster necessarily., as
you might be implying.

It's an engineers dream scenario. They make a lot more difference if race
1 rider X complain, race 2 same rider X now wins. And I don't mean only
setup. Its probably a lot more TC tinkering now possible.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 08:25 Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in back
to back races!

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis sandro.f.reis@gmail.com
wrote:

For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the
2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of
some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have
endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers
setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and
now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash.

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Exactly. That doesn't mean the riders learned to be faster necessarily., as you might be implying. It's an engineers dream scenario. They make a lot more difference if race 1 rider X complain, race 2 same rider X now wins. And I don't mean only setup. Its probably a lot more TC tinkering now possible. On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 08:25 Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in back > to back races! > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis <sandro.f.reis@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the >> 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of >> some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have >> endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers >> setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and >> now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash. >> >> > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: sandro.f.reis@gmail.com >

LM

Lan Max

Fri, Oct 23, 2020 8:37 PM

That’s because none of the are MotoGp champs nor consistent LOL

Gee I wonder what changed this year? Oh! COVID-19, that’s why they’re all
over each other and all inconsistent. Must be the virus!!

You guys are either blind or kidding yourselves if you think MM93’s
absences did not impact the 2020 championship.

Check this guy’s consistency: with the below trend, “if” he didn't get
injured this year, do you really think he’d be fighting for 10th, 7th, 3rd,
etc. like the rest of these non-motogp champion (VR exempted-LOL)?

2019

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 420

2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 269

3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 211

====

2018

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 321

2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 245

3 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 198

====

2017

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298

2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 261

3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 230

====

2016

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298

2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 249

3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 233

===

2015

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362

2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295

3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263

===

2014

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362

2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295

3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263

===

2013

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 334

2 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 330

3 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 300

---=============

QATAR

1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
166.6 42'36.902

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.6 +0.023

3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 166.6 +0.320

ARGENTINA

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7
41'43.688

2 20 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 172.0 +9.816

3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
172.0 +10.530

TEXAS

Crashed

JEREZ

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.2
41'08.685

2 20 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 161.1 +1.654

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 161.0 +2.443

LE MANS

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.8
41'53.647

2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.7 +1.984

3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.6 +2.142

MUGELLO

1 25 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
174.1 41'33.794

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 174.1 +0.043

3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
174.1 +0.338

BARCELONA

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.4
40'31.175

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
164.2 +2.660

3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
164.1 +4.537

ASSEN

1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 173.1 40'55.415

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7 +4.854

3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
172.4 +9.738

SACHSENRING

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 160.6
41'08.276

2 20 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 160.3 +4.587

3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 160.1 +7.741

BRNO

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.5
39'24.430

2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 164.3 +2.452

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 164.2 +3.497

AUSTRIA

1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 183.2
39'34.771

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 183.2 +0.213

3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
182.8 +6.117

SILVERSTONE

1 25 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 176.0
40'12.799

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.0 +0.013

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 176.0 +0.620

SAN MARINO

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.3
42'25.163

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
161.3 +0.903

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 161.2 +1.636

ARAGON

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.9
41'57.221

2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 166.6 +4.836

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 166.6 +5.430

CHANG

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 179.3
39'36.223

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
179.3 +0.171

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 179.2 +1.380

TWIN RING

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.9
42'41.492

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
161.8 +0.870

3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.8 +1.325

PHILLIP ISLAND

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.9
40'43.729

2 20 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 176.0
+11.413

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 175.8 +14.499

SEPANG

1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 165.2 40'14.632

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 165.0 +3.059

3

_____________________________ 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati
Team Ducati 164.8 +5.611

VALENCIA

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 156.8
41'21.469

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
156.8 +1.026

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 156.7 +2.409

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in back
to back races!

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis sandro.f.reis@gmail.com
wrote:

For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the
2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of
some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have
endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers
setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and
now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash.

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That’s because none of the are MotoGp champs nor consistent LOL Gee I wonder what changed this year? Oh! COVID-19, that’s why they’re all over each other and all inconsistent. Must be the virus!! You guys are either blind or kidding yourselves if you think MM93’s absences did not impact the 2020 championship. Check this guy’s consistency: with the below trend, “if” he didn't get injured this year, do you really think he’d be fighting for 10th, 7th, 3rd, etc. like the rest of these non-motogp champion (VR exempted-LOL)? 2019 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 420 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 269 3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 211 ==== 2018 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 321 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 245 3 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 198 ==== 2017 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 261 3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 230 ==== 2016 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298 2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 249 3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 233 === 2015 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362 2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295 3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263 === 2014 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362 2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295 3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263 === 2013 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 334 2 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 330 3 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 300 ============================================== QATAR 1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati 166.6 42'36.902 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.6 +0.023 3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 166.6 +0.320 _____________________________ ARGENTINA 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7 41'43.688 2 20 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 172.0 +9.816 3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati 172.0 +10.530 _____________________________ TEXAS Crashed _____________________________ JEREZ 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.2 41'08.685 2 20 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 161.1 +1.654 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 161.0 +2.443 LE MANS 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.8 41'53.647 2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.7 +1.984 3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.6 +2.142 _____________________________ MUGELLO 1 25 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati 174.1 41'33.794 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 174.1 +0.043 3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati 174.1 +0.338 _____________________________ BARCELONA 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.4 40'31.175 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 164.2 +2.660 3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati 164.1 +4.537 _____________________________ ASSEN 1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 173.1 40'55.415 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7 +4.854 3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 172.4 +9.738 _____________________________ SACHSENRING 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 160.6 41'08.276 2 20 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 160.3 +4.587 3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 160.1 +7.741 _____________________________ BRNO 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.5 39'24.430 2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 164.3 +2.452 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 164.2 +3.497 _____________________________ AUSTRIA 1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 183.2 39'34.771 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 183.2 +0.213 3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 182.8 +6.117 _____________________________ SILVERSTONE 1 25 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 176.0 40'12.799 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.0 +0.013 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 176.0 +0.620 _____________________________ SAN MARINO 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.3 42'25.163 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 161.3 +0.903 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 161.2 +1.636 _____________________________ ARAGON 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.9 41'57.221 2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 166.6 +4.836 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 166.6 +5.430 _____________________________ CHANG 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 179.3 39'36.223 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 179.3 +0.171 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 179.2 +1.380 _____________________________ TWIN RING 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.9 42'41.492 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 161.8 +0.870 3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.8 +1.325 _____________________________ PHILLIP ISLAND 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.9 40'43.729 2 20 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 176.0 +11.413 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 175.8 +14.499 _____________________________ SEPANG 1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 165.2 40'14.632 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 165.0 +3.059 3 _____________________________ 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 164.8 +5.611 VALENCIA 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 156.8 41'21.469 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 156.8 +1.026 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 156.7 +2.409 On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in back > to back races! > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis <sandro.f.reis@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the >> 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of >> some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have >> endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers >> setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and >> now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash. >> > > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

KK

Kevin Kachadourian

Fri, Oct 23, 2020 9:15 PM

I agree with Lan wholeheartedly: Marquez's consistency has made MotoGP
boring. The longer he stays out, the better for the sport.

Maybe he should consider a move to F1 - not sure how he could drag his
elbows, but, knowing Marc, he would find a way on his path to yet another
championship.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 13:38, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:

That’s because none of the are MotoGp champs nor consistent LOL

Gee I wonder what changed this year? Oh! COVID-19, that’s why they’re all
over each other and all inconsistent. Must be the virus!!

You guys are either blind or kidding yourselves if you think MM93’s
absences did not impact the 2020 championship.

Check this guy’s consistency: with the below trend, “if” he didn't get
injured this year, do you really think he’d be fighting for 10th, 7th, 3rd,
etc. like the rest of these non-motogp champion (VR exempted-LOL)?

2019

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 420

2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 269

3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 211

====

2018

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 321

2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 245

3 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 198

====

2017

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298

2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 261

3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 230

====

2016

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298

2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 249

3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 233

===

2015

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362

2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295

3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263

===

2014

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362

2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295

3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263

===

2013

1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 334

2 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 330

3 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 300

---=============

QATAR

1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
166.6 42'36.902

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.6
+0.023

3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 166.6
+0.320

ARGENTINA

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7
41'43.688

2 20 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 172.0 +9.816

3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
172.0 +10.530

TEXAS

Crashed

JEREZ

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.2
41'08.685

2 20 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 161.1
+1.654

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 161.0 +2.443

LE MANS

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.8
41'53.647

2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.7
+1.984

3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.6 +2.142

MUGELLO

1 25 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
174.1 41'33.794

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 174.1
+0.043

3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
174.1 +0.338

BARCELONA

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.4
40'31.175

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
164.2 +2.660

3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati
164.1 +4.537

ASSEN

1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 173.1 40'55.415

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7
+4.854

3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
172.4 +9.738

SACHSENRING

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 160.6
41'08.276

2 20 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 160.3 +4.587

3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 160.1
+7.741

BRNO

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.5
39'24.430

2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 164.3
+2.452

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 164.2 +3.497

AUSTRIA

1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 183.2
39'34.771

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 183.2
+0.213

3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
182.8 +6.117

SILVERSTONE

1 25 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 176.0
40'12.799

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.0
+0.013

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 176.0 +0.620

SAN MARINO

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.3
42'25.163

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
161.3 +0.903

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 161.2 +1.636

ARAGON

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.9
41'57.221

2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 166.6
+4.836

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 166.6 +5.430

CHANG

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 179.3
39'36.223

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
179.3 +0.171

3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 179.2 +1.380

TWIN RING

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.9
42'41.492

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
161.8 +0.870

3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.8
+1.325

PHILLIP ISLAND

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.9
40'43.729

2 20 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 176.0
+11.413

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 175.8
+14.499

SEPANG

1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha 165.2 40'14.632

2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 165.0
+3.059

3

_____________________________ 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati
Team Ducati 164.8 +5.611

VALENCIA

1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 156.8
41'21.469

2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha
156.8 +1.026

3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 156.7 +2.409

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in
back to back races!

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis sandro.f.reis@gmail.com
wrote:

For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued
the 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence
of some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have
endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers
setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and
now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash.

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I agree with Lan wholeheartedly: Marquez's consistency has made MotoGP boring. The longer he stays out, the better for the sport. Maybe he should consider a move to F1 - not sure how he could drag his elbows, but, knowing Marc, he would find a way on his path to yet another championship. On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 13:38, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > That’s because none of the are MotoGp champs nor consistent LOL > > > Gee I wonder what changed this year? Oh! COVID-19, that’s why they’re all > over each other and all inconsistent. Must be the virus!! > > > > > > You guys are either blind or kidding yourselves if you think MM93’s > absences did not impact the 2020 championship. > > Check this guy’s consistency: with the below trend, “if” he didn't get > injured this year, do you really think he’d be fighting for 10th, 7th, 3rd, > etc. like the rest of these non-motogp champion (VR exempted-LOL)? > > 2019 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 420 > > 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 269 > > 3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 211 > > ==== > > 2018 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 321 > > 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 245 > > 3 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 198 > > > > ==== > > 2017 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298 > > 2 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati ITA 261 > > 3 Maverick VIÑALES Yamaha SPA 230 > > > > ==== > > 2016 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 298 > > 2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 249 > > 3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 233 > > === > > 2015 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362 > > 2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295 > > 3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263 > > === > > 2014 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 362 > > 2 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha ITA 295 > > 3 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 263 > > === > > 2013 > > 1 Marc MARQUEZ Honda SPA 334 > > 2 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha SPA 330 > > 3 Dani PEDROSA Honda SPA 300 > > ============================================== > > > > QATAR > > 1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati > 166.6 42'36.902 > > 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.6 > +0.023 > > 3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 166.6 > +0.320 > > _____________________________ > > ARGENTINA > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7 > 41'43.688 > > 2 20 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 172.0 +9.816 > > 3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati > 172.0 +10.530 > > _____________________________ > > TEXAS > > Crashed > > _____________________________ > > JEREZ > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.2 > 41'08.685 > > 2 20 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 161.1 > +1.654 > > 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 161.0 +2.443 > > LE MANS > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.8 > 41'53.647 > > 2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.7 > +1.984 > > 3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.6 +2.142 > > _____________________________ > > MUGELLO > > 1 25 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati > 174.1 41'33.794 > > 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 174.1 > +0.043 > > 3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati > 174.1 +0.338 > > _____________________________ > > BARCELONA > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.4 > 40'31.175 > > 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 164.2 +2.660 > > 3 16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Mission Winnow Ducati Ducati > 164.1 +4.537 > > _____________________________ > > ASSEN > > 1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 173.1 40'55.415 > > 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 172.7 > +4.854 > > 3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 172.4 +9.738 > > _____________________________ > > SACHSENRING > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 160.6 > 41'08.276 > > 2 20 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 160.3 +4.587 > > 3 16 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 160.1 > +7.741 > > _____________________________ > > BRNO > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 164.5 > 39'24.430 > > 2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 164.3 > +2.452 > > 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 164.2 +3.497 > > _____________________________ > > AUSTRIA > > 1 25 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 183.2 > 39'34.771 > > 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 183.2 > +0.213 > > 3 16 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 182.8 +6.117 > > _____________________________ > > SILVERSTONE > > 1 25 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 176.0 > 40'12.799 > > 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.0 > +0.013 > > 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 176.0 +0.620 > > _____________________________ > > SAN MARINO > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.3 > 42'25.163 > > 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 161.3 +0.903 > > 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 161.2 +1.636 > > _____________________________ > > ARAGON > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.9 > 41'57.221 > > 2 20 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 166.6 > +4.836 > > 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 166.6 +5.430 > > _____________________________ > > CHANG > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 179.3 > 39'36.223 > > 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 179.3 +0.171 > > 3 16 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 179.2 +1.380 > > _____________________________ > > TWIN RING > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 161.9 > 42'41.492 > > 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 161.8 +0.870 > > 3 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 161.8 > +1.325 > > _____________________________ > > PHILLIP ISLAND > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 176.9 > 40'43.729 > > 2 20 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 176.0 > +11.413 > > 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 175.8 > +14.499 > > _____________________________ > > SEPANG > > 1 25 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP > Yamaha 165.2 40'14.632 > > 2 20 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 165.0 > +3.059 > > 3 > > _____________________________ 16 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati > Team Ducati 164.8 +5.611 > > VALENCIA > > 1 25 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 156.8 > 41'21.469 > > 2 20 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha > 156.8 +1.026 > > 3 16 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 156.7 +2.409 > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yeah - endless testing, yet the results are dramatically different in >> back to back races! >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:40 AM Sandro Reis <sandro.f.reis@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued >>> the 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence >>> of some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have >>> endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers >>> setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and >>> now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash. >>> >> > >> -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com >

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socaltjet@reagan.com

Sun, Oct 25, 2020 2:26 PM

I think someone said "You only have to beat the riders that show up". There should be an asterisk by Doohan's name. Doohan showed up in the premier class when Gardner, Lawson, Rainey and Schwantz were at the top of their game. At the end of Doohan's 6th season he won his first world title in the premier class. Doohan was unable to win a world title against the best at the top of their game. So there's that.

Gary Patton

-----Original Message-----
From: "Sandro Reis" sandro.f.reis@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:39am
To: "Ducati Owners Group" ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Marquez's absence has lessened the value..

I think both can be true.
2020's champion won't have an asterisk next to his name. The races have been incredible and I for one would love for the champion to manage to do it without a single win, just for the record books. It's possible!
Now if and when Márquez comes back, and he he basically run laps around his opponents as he was doing on the last race he was running, on that impossible bike to ride, well, that domination over the entire field will certainly push Márquez goat status to the top.
For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash.
Repeats Jerez, Aragon, then add Barcelona and Valencia, tracks I'm really not fond of.
Missing Assen, Silverstone, Philip Island, the odd track list alone makes me think 2020 deserves an asterisk no matter how entertaining it is.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:47 Tony Pags < ajpags@gmail.com > wrote:

I think that's just it though - what "could have happened", didn't. MS58 was likely on his way to a fantastic MotoGP career, that may have yielded a championship or 5, who knows? The championships in his absence are no less championships.
I think it was Rossi that said something to the effect that the greatest motorcycle racer of all time has probably never touched a motorcycle. It's a simple numbers/opportunity game, and naive to think of the billions of people on the planet, MM is the greatest ever and found the sport, had the support etc. Kind of mind blowing like the search for extra-terrestrial life. ;-)
Pags

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mario Baroz < mariobaroz@hotmail.com > wrote:

I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship". Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me.

I think someone said "You only have to beat the riders that show up". There should be an asterisk by Doohan's name. Doohan showed up in the premier class when Gardner, Lawson, Rainey and Schwantz were at the top of their game. At the end of Doohan's 6th season he won his first world title in the premier class. Doohan was unable to win a world title against the best at the top of their game. So there's that. Gary Patton -----Original Message----- From: "Sandro Reis" <sandro.f.reis@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:39am To: "Ducati Owners Group" <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Marquez's absence has lessened the value.. I think both can be true. 2020's champion won't have an asterisk next to his name. The races have been incredible and I for one would love for the champion to manage to do it without a single win, just for the record books. It's possible! Now if and when Márquez comes back, and he he basically run laps around his opponents as he was doing on the last race he was running, on that impossible bike to ride, well, that domination over the entire field will certainly push Márquez goat status to the top. For me personally more than the absence of Márquez, what has devalued the 2020 championship more has been this repeat tracks deal and the absence of some of the classics. No wonder they're so close, they basically have endless testing before each race and it means it's a lot of an engineers setup game. If your engineering team "failed", you just lost 3/10ths and now you're 16th in the grid and will finish 12th if you don't crash. Repeats Jerez, Aragon, then add Barcelona and Valencia, tracks I'm really not fond of. Missing Assen, Silverstone, Philip Island, the odd track list alone makes me think 2020 deserves an asterisk no matter how entertaining it is. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:47 Tony Pags <[ ajpags@gmail.com ]( mailto:ajpags@gmail.com )> wrote: I think that's just it though - what "could have happened", didn't. MS58 was likely on his way to a fantastic MotoGP career, that may have yielded a championship or 5, who knows? The championships in his absence are no less championships. I think it was Rossi that said something to the effect that the greatest motorcycle racer of all time has probably never touched a motorcycle. It's a simple numbers/opportunity game, and naive to think of the billions of people on the planet, MM is the greatest ever and found the sport, had the support etc. Kind of mind blowing like the search for extra-terrestrial life. ;-) Pags On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mario Baroz <[ mariobaroz@hotmail.com ]( mailto:mariobaroz@hotmail.com )> wrote: I don't know about the statement "a championship is a championship". Kevin Schwantz was fantastic, I loved watching him race and I think he's a great guy. But when I think of his championship, I kind of think in the back of my mind "what if Wayne hadn't got hurt?" I don't think Kevin would've won that championship. Having said that, I agree with the fact that you have to stay on the bike to win and sometimes falling and getting hurt is a result of pressure put on you by your opponents. But there's still no denying the fact that the best rider is not out there. I don't know how you can just discount that. Sure the racing is great, new guys are coming out, it's a lot of fun to watch, and all that but Marc's absence still lingers over the whole proceeding. At least it does for me.