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Brian Adrian

Fri, Oct 30, 2020 10:01 PM

I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and they did.

Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all at any speed.

Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter.

Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of other bikes in the collection.

Brian A.

I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and they did. Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all at any speed. Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter. Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of other bikes in the collection. Brian A.

GH

Gene Hunt

Fri, Oct 30, 2020 10:59 PM

Nice report, Thanks for sharing.

I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic.

If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale for a lot less than 30K.

Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200

From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Brian Adrian brianfortv@cox.net
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM
To: Smith Vicki ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo

I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and they did.

Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all at any speed.

Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter.

Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of other bikes in the collection.

Brian A.

Nice report, Thanks for sharing. I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic. If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale for a lot less than 30K. Gene "I Know a Few Roads" Patriot Guard Rider AMA Charter Life Member #598925 Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club DUCATI.net Member USDESMO Member #1263 EX-MSF Instructor EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel HD - 09' XR1200 ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Brian Adrian <brianfortv@cox.net> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM To: Smith Vicki <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and they did. Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all at any speed. Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter. Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of other bikes in the collection. Brian A.

CE

Christian Els

Sat, Oct 31, 2020 4:48 AM

I’ve demo'ed a Zero several times now and I think the sensation of riding
without any noise* is startling and awesome — not that I mind some good
noise but riding without it feels like the future. *There is still wind
noise, and it's rather prominent when not competing with mechanical noises,
but soothing in an ASMR sort of way. Couple that with a ridiculous amount
of thrust, anywhere every time, and it's quite remarkable.

I’d love to have one for commuting and even local dashes through the
twisties, they’re getting 200 miles out of them which is a nice escape from
my usual schedule.

They are not yet ready for long-haul cruising for sure, and even a
specific-destination trip requires much more diligence about route planning
to keep topped up.

Also, they are expensive; too much for me yet to have as a second bike and
they have to be a second bike if you plan to hit the road.

Still, love to have one if price were no object.

Christian
<got smooshed by an SUV on the SuperDuke tonight, medial displaced ankle
fracture for me, afraid
it's DOA for the KTM>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:00 Gene Hunt Twolanefun@outlook.com wrote:

Nice report, Thanks for sharing.

I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the
range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic.

If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale
for a lot less than 30K.

Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200

From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Brian Adrian
brianfortv@cox.net
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM
To: Smith Vicki ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo

I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today,

they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their
electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but
it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric
car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn,
down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I
replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they
said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and
they did.

Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are
going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go.
If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the
clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up
when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning
and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway
speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled
pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the
middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all
at any speed.

Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and
when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you
see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly
placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles
at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?)
My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S
will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute
to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good
roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot
of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and
twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec.
0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter.

Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the
throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a
technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked
sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel
more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can
hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same
with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual
transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is
doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the
Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are
probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of
other bikes in the collection.

Brian A.

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I’ve demo'ed a Zero several times now and I think the sensation of riding without any noise* is startling and awesome — not that I mind some good noise but riding without it feels like the future. *There is still wind noise, and it's rather prominent when not competing with mechanical noises, but soothing in an ASMR sort of way. Couple that with a ridiculous amount of thrust, anywhere every time, and it's quite remarkable. I’d love to have one for commuting and even local dashes through the twisties, they’re getting 200 miles out of them which is a nice escape from my usual schedule. They are not yet ready for long-haul cruising for sure, and even a specific-destination trip requires much more diligence about route planning to keep topped up. Also, they are expensive; too much for me yet to have as a second bike and they have to be a second bike if you plan to hit the road. Still, love to have one if price were no object. Christian <got smooshed by an SUV on the SuperDuke tonight, medial displaced ankle fracture for me, afraid it's DOA for the KTM> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:00 Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote: > Nice report, Thanks for sharing. > > I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the > range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic. > > If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale > for a lot less than 30K. > > Gene > > "I Know a Few Roads" > Patriot Guard Rider > AMA Charter Life Member #598925 > Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club > DUCATI.net Member > USDESMO Member #1263 > EX-MSF Instructor > EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club > > Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour > Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel > HD - 09' XR1200 > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Brian Adrian > <brianfortv@cox.net> > *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM > *To:* Smith Vicki <ducati@list.ducati.net> > *Subject:* [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo > > I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, > they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their > electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but > it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric > car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, > down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I > replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they > said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and > they did. > > Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are > going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. > If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the > clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up > when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning > and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway > speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled > pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the > middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all > at any speed. > > Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and > when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you > see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly > placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles > at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) > My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S > will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute > to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good > roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot > of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and > twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. > 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter. > > > Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the > throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a > technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked > sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel > more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can > hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same > with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual > transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is > doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the > Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are > probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of > other bikes in the collection. > > Brian A. > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >

GH

Gene Hunt

Sat, Oct 31, 2020 12:23 PM

Ouch, sorry to hear about your accident, hope you heal quickly, and I hope you replace the SuperDuke with something that puts a smile on your face. - Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200

From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Christian Els tian647@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:48 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: Re: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo

I’ve demo'ed a Zero several times now and I think the sensation of riding without any noise* is startling and awesome — not that I mind some good noise but riding without it feels like the future. *There is still wind noise, and it's rather prominent when not competing with mechanical noises, but soothing in an ASMR sort of way. Couple that with a ridiculous amount of thrust, anywhere every time, and it's quite remarkable.

I’d love to have one for commuting and even local dashes through the twisties, they’re getting 200 miles out of them which is a nice escape from my usual schedule.

They are not yet ready for long-haul cruising for sure, and even a specific-destination trip requires much more diligence about route planning to keep topped up.

Also, they are expensive; too much for me yet to have as a second bike and they have to be a second bike if you plan to hit the road.

Still, love to have one if price were no object.

Christian
<got smooshed by an SUV on the SuperDuke tonight, medial displaced ankle fracture for me, afraid
it's DOA for the KTM>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:00 Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com mailto:Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote:
Nice report, Thanks for sharing.

I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic.

If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale for a lot less than 30K.

Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200

From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net mailto:ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Brian Adrian <brianfortv@cox.net mailto:brianfortv@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM
To: Smith Vicki <ducati@list.ducati.net mailto:ducati@list.ducati.net>
Subject: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo

I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and they did.

Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all at any speed.

Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter.

Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of other bikes in the collection.

Brian A.

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Ouch, sorry to hear about your accident, hope you heal quickly, and I hope you replace the SuperDuke with something that puts a smile on your face. - Gene "I Know a Few Roads" Patriot Guard Rider AMA Charter Life Member #598925 Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club DUCATI.net Member USDESMO Member #1263 EX-MSF Instructor EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel HD - 09' XR1200 ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Christian Els <tian647@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:48 AM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo I’ve demo'ed a Zero several times now and I think the sensation of riding without any noise* is startling and awesome — not that I mind some good noise but riding without it feels like the future. *There is still wind noise, and it's rather prominent when not competing with mechanical noises, but soothing in an ASMR sort of way. Couple that with a ridiculous amount of thrust, anywhere every time, and it's quite remarkable. I’d love to have one for commuting and even local dashes through the twisties, they’re getting 200 miles out of them which is a nice escape from my usual schedule. They are not yet ready for long-haul cruising for sure, and even a specific-destination trip requires much more diligence about route planning to keep topped up. Also, they are expensive; too much for me yet to have as a second bike and they have to be a second bike if you plan to hit the road. Still, love to have one if price were no object. Christian <got smooshed by an SUV on the SuperDuke tonight, medial displaced ankle fracture for me, afraid it's DOA for the KTM> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:00 Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com<mailto:Twolanefun@outlook.com>> wrote: Nice report, Thanks for sharing. I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic. If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale for a lot less than 30K. Gene "I Know a Few Roads" Patriot Guard Rider AMA Charter Life Member #598925 Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club DUCATI.net Member USDESMO Member #1263 EX-MSF Instructor EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel HD - 09' XR1200 ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net<mailto:ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net>> on behalf of Brian Adrian <brianfortv@cox.net<mailto:brianfortv@cox.net>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM To: Smith Vicki <ducati@list.ducati.net<mailto:ducati@list.ducati.net>> Subject: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and they did. Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all at any speed. Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter. Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of other bikes in the collection. Brian A. 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stephen abramson

Sat, Oct 31, 2020 5:12 PM

Sorry to hear that, Christian. Better the SDuke DOA than you...... hope
you're better soon.

STeve

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 12:49 AM Christian Els tian647@gmail.com wrote:

I’ve demo'ed a Zero several times now and I think the sensation of riding
without any noise* is startling and awesome — not that I mind some good
noise but riding without it feels like the future. *There is still wind
noise, and it's rather prominent when not competing with mechanical noises,
but soothing in an ASMR sort of way. Couple that with a ridiculous amount
of thrust, anywhere every time, and it's quite remarkable.

I’d love to have one for commuting and even local dashes through the
twisties, they’re getting 200 miles out of them which is a nice escape from
my usual schedule.

They are not yet ready for long-haul cruising for sure, and even a
specific-destination trip requires much more diligence about route planning
to keep topped up.

Also, they are expensive; too much for me yet to have as a second bike and
they have to be a second bike if you plan to hit the road.

Still, love to have one if price were no object.

Christian
<got smooshed by an SUV on the SuperDuke tonight, medial displaced ankle
fracture for me, afraid
it's DOA for the KTM>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:00 Gene Hunt Twolanefun@outlook.com wrote:

Nice report, Thanks for sharing.

I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the
range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic.

If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale
for a lot less than 30K.

Gene

"I Know a Few Roads"
Patriot Guard Rider
AMA Charter Life Member #598925
Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club
DUCATI.net Member
USDESMO Member #1263
EX-MSF Instructor
EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club

Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour
Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel
HD - 09' XR1200

From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Brian
Adrian brianfortv@cox.net
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM
To: Smith Vicki ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo

I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today,

they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their
electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but
it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric
car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn,
down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I
replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they
said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and
they did.

Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are
going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go.
If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the
clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up
when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning
and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway
speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled
pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the
middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all
at any speed.

Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and
when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you
see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly
placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles
at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?)
My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S
will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute
to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good
roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot
of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and
twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec.
0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter.

Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the
throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a
technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked
sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel
more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can
hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same
with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual
transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is
doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the
Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are
probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of
other bikes in the collection.

Brian A.

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Sorry to hear that, Christian. Better the SDuke DOA than you...... hope you're better soon. STeve On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 12:49 AM Christian Els <tian647@gmail.com> wrote: > I’ve demo'ed a Zero several times now and I think the sensation of riding > without any noise* is startling and awesome — not that I mind some good > noise but riding without it feels like the future. *There is still wind > noise, and it's rather prominent when not competing with mechanical noises, > but soothing in an ASMR sort of way. Couple that with a ridiculous amount > of thrust, anywhere every time, and it's quite remarkable. > > I’d love to have one for commuting and even local dashes through the > twisties, they’re getting 200 miles out of them which is a nice escape from > my usual schedule. > > They are not yet ready for long-haul cruising for sure, and even a > specific-destination trip requires much more diligence about route planning > to keep topped up. > > Also, they are expensive; too much for me yet to have as a second bike and > they have to be a second bike if you plan to hit the road. > > Still, love to have one if price were no object. > > > Christian > <got smooshed by an SUV on the SuperDuke tonight, medial displaced ankle > fracture for me, afraid > it's DOA for the KTM> > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 18:00 Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote: > >> Nice report, Thanks for sharing. >> >> I understand why E vehicles are becoming a thing but I don't think the >> range is quite there for my 2 wheel escapes from Northern Virginia traffic. >> >> If you were near me I'd let you take my XR1200 for a spin. it's for sale >> for a lot less than 30K. >> >> Gene >> >> "I Know a Few Roads" >> Patriot Guard Rider >> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >> DUCATI.net Member >> USDESMO Member #1263 >> EX-MSF Instructor >> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >> >> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >> HD - 09' XR1200 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Brian >> Adrian <brianfortv@cox.net> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 6:01 PM >> *To:* Smith Vicki <ducati@list.ducati.net> >> *Subject:* [Ducati] NDC: LiveWire Demo >> >> I went to demo the Harley-Davidson LiveWire at the dealership today, >> they have a Semi Truck traveling the country doing demos with their >> electric bike and other models. It was impressive, overall I liked it, but >> it was the first electric bike I have ridden. (I haven’t driven an electric >> car, either). The ride was very short: down the street, stop, right turn, >> down the street. stop, right turn etc. When they asked how I liked it, I >> replied its hard to tell because we didn’t go around any corners, so they >> said go inside the dealership and they would give me a longer demo, and >> they did. >> >> Pros: Power immediately and instantaneously, no matter how fast you are >> going. No noise, no shifting, no clutch, just turn the right grip and go. >> If you’re stopped on an incline, you don’t have to brake, then slip the >> clutch to go, just crack the throttle enough to hold you, then open it up >> when you can go. The fit and finish is very high quality. Nice positioning >> and ergonomics, leaning forward slightly, very comfortable even at freeway >> speeds. You could maintain 80mph without any wind problems. It handled >> pretty good as far as I could tell, you could change your line in the >> middle of a corner, but still a bit heavy. Very smooth, no vibration at all >> at any speed. >> >> Cons: Its very heavy. You feel it picking it up off the kickstand and >> when picking it up coming out of a corner. The mirrors are useless, all you >> see is your arms. The footbrake is really hard to reach, very awkwardly >> placed far inside of the peg. 90 to 146 mile range (most displayed 100miles >> at 100% charge), ok for commuting (but then, commuting on a $30,000 bike?) >> My Monster will go 130 miles before I need to fill up, The Bandit 1200S >> will go 180 miles, but then it’s a 3 minute fill up and go, not a 40 minute >> to 1 hour wait. Around Las Vegas, ya kinda half to ride a bit to the good >> roads, so not very practical. and, oh yeah, the price: $30,000. Thats a lot >> of money, More than a Ducati Streetfighter, more than a Panigale V4-S, and >> twice as much as a SuperSport. And they are all faster (within .5 sec. >> 0-60), and at least 100lbs lighter. >> >> >> Overall, nice bike. It was weird not having a clutch or blipping the >> throttle, but I got used to that right away. But still, being a bit of a >> technician, I appreciate the mechanical aspects of my bikes (both naked >> sport bikes, engine visible) and the physical connection with them. I feel >> more in control when I am selecting when to shift or downshift, and can >> hear the engine and respond to it, or make it work for me. It’s the same >> with cars, I feel people are safer driving a car with a manual >> transmission, it’s harder to space out, your involved with what the car is >> doing and have to plan ahead. I wouldn’t buy one. I need to check out the >> Zero, but electric bike are not there yet for me. Right now they are >> probably being bought by rich guys to sit in their garage with a bunch of >> other bikes in the collection. >> >> Brian A. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: desmo900cr@gmail.com >