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Valerie Stewart

Sat, Jun 11, 2022 8:24 PM

Hello All,
Thanks for adding me to the mailing list!
I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA

I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe
Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen.
I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying
to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived.
I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record
his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John
P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were
baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and
Sarah).
Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood

same church/parish location. After that they left for the United
States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually
settled in Nebraska.

Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able
to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid
1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current
place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I
should be glad of the help.

Many Thanks!*
Valerie
E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com ValereiS4kids@gmail.com

Hello All, Thanks for adding me to the mailing list! I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen. I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived. I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah). Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska. Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help. * Many Thanks!* Valerie E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com <ValereiS4kids@gmail.com>

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Elwyn Soutter

Tue, Jun 14, 2022 12:04 PM

Valerie,

The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on Sundays.

cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org

Map here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/54°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536

On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy.

According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that church are as follows:

Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916.

Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver.

Irish Genealogy

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Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens anywhere in Donegal that year.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hello All,Thanks for adding me to the mailing list!
I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA

I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen.
I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived.
I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah).
Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska.

Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help.
Many Thanks!
ValerieE-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com

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Valerie, The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on Sundays. cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org Map here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/54°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536 On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy. According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that church are as follows: Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916. Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver. Irish Genealogy | | | | Irish Genealogy This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to helping you in your search for records of fa... | | | Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens anywhere in Donegal that year. Elwyn On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hello All,Thanks for adding me to the mailing list! I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen. I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived. I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah). Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska. Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help. Many Thanks! ValerieE-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================

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Len Swindley

Fri, Jun 17, 2022 12:02 PM

Hello Valerie and Elwyn,
As Elwyn has stated, it can be difficult locating the residences of weavers and labourers; in most instances they resided in humble cottages erected on farms where they were employed. You are most fortunate that the marriage announcement from the Londonderry Sentinel has survived. (see attachment)
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
No record of a baptism of Henry James

Carnone Presbyterian Church is still an active congregation of some sixty families and is a three point charge with Donaghmore and Convoy (see photos of the church and halls in www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
Hope this assists your research,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2022 10:04 PM
To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com; Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Inquiry: about records from 1840s at Carnone Presbyterian Church

Valerie,

The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on Sundays.

cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org

Map here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/54°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536

On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy.

According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that church are as follows:

Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916.

Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver.

Irish Genealogyhttps://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf
Irish Genealogy

This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to helping you in your search for records of fa...

Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens anywhere in Donegal that year.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hello All,
Thanks for adding me to the mailing list!
I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA

I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen.
I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived.
I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah).
Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska.

Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help.
Many Thanks!
Valerie
E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com mailto:ValereiS4kids@gmail.com

Hello Valerie and Elwyn, As Elwyn has stated, it can be difficult locating the residences of weavers and labourers; in most instances they resided in humble cottages erected on farms where they were employed. You are most fortunate that the marriage announcement from the Londonderry Sentinel has survived. (see attachment) The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records: Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara No record of a baptism of Henry James You may have greater success in finding data on the Stevensons who were numerous in Donaghmore parish and about Carnone. It is necessary to gather some knowledge of townlands within Donaghmore – see www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/donaghmore.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/donaghmore.html> You will note that it borders Raphoe parish where there were several Allen families Have you referred to my numerous files relevant to Carnone? Stevenson Births and Marriages , Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html> Carnone files www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html> www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html> www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html> www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/convoy2.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/convoy2.html> Donaghmore Tithe Applotment Book 1826 www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html> Carnone Presbyterian Church is still an active congregation of some sixty families and is a three point charge with Donaghmore and Convoy (see photos of the church and halls in www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html> Hope this assists your research, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2022 10:04 PM To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.com>; Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Inquiry: about records from 1840s at Carnone Presbyterian Church Valerie, The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on Sundays. cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org Map here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/54°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536 On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy. According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that church are as follows: Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916. Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver. Irish Genealogy<https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf> <https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf> Irish Genealogy This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to helping you in your search for records of fa... Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens anywhere in Donegal that year. Elwyn On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hello All, Thanks for adding me to the mailing list! I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen. I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived. I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah). Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska. Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help. Many Thanks! Valerie E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com<mailto:ValereiS4kids@gmail.com> ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

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Valerie Stewart

Fri, Jun 17, 2022 8:48 PM

Hello Len Swindley!
You are quite amazing - doing all this work from Melbourne. I have seen
your transcriptions for months now, with the help of some other
Genealogy folks here in the States who led me to Cotyroneireleand.com.

Elywn has been most generous, providing additional information about the
local area also.

Thank you Len for your additional information.
I actually have a transcription of Henry Jrs' March 1840 baptism
record which lists it in Raphoe parish which might explain why it isn't
with the other children's records (I think William died as a child). I will
look for the Stevenson records, the ones that I had located didn't have a
Barbara named at all.

When my family and I visit in September, I will know far more about this
group of ancestors than most, except our grandparents. Although Henry Sr
may have been a labourer and his father Hugh a weaver, their son and
grandson, created a town in Nebraska (with their name) that has fostered a
strong community since 1890.
In case you might be interested, I am attaching the 2 pages of the town
Centennial book that was the information I had to start with, sorry it's
not a better copy.

Many, Many thanks for all your assistance!
best regards,
Valerie

Valerie Stewart
Fremont, California USA

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:02 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:

Hello Valerie and Elwyn,

As Elwyn has stated, it can be difficult locating the residences of
weavers and labourers; in most instances they resided in humble cottages
erected on farms where they were employed. You are most fortunate that the
marriage announcement from the Londonderry Sentinel has survived. (see
attachment)

The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:

*Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms *

Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara

Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

No record of a baptism of Henry James

You may have greater success in finding data on the Stevensons who were
numerous in Donaghmore parish and about Carnone. It is necessary to gather
some knowledge of townlands within Donaghmore – see
www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/donaghmore.html

You will note that it borders Raphoe parish where there were several Allen
families

Have you referred to my numerous files relevant to Carnone?

*Stevenson Births and Marriages , Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal *

www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html

*Carnone files *

www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html

www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html

www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html

www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/convoy2.html

*Donaghmore Tithe Applotment Book 1826 *

www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church is still an active congregation of some sixty
families and is a three point charge with Donaghmore and Convoy (see photos
of the church and halls in
www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html

Hope this assists your research,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2022 10:04 PM
To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com; Elwyn Soutter <
elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Inquiry: about records from 1840s at
Carnone Presbyterian Church

Valerie,

The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current
Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on
Sundays.

cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org

Map here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/54
°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536

On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy.

According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that
church are as follows:

Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916.

Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in
Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver.

Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf

Irish Genealogy

This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to
helping you in your search for records of fa...

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf

Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often
moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of
too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households
listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens
anywhere in Donegal that year.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hello All,
Thanks for adding me to the mailing list!
I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA

I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe
Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen.
I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying
to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived.
I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that
record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the
Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children
were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan
and Sarah).
Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood

same church/parish location. After that they left for the United
States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually
settled in Nebraska.

Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able
to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid
1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current
place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I
should be glad of the help.

Many Thanks!*
Valerie
E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com ValereiS4kids@gmail.com

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Hello Len Swindley! You are quite amazing - doing all this work from Melbourne. I have seen your transcriptions for months now, with the help of some other Genealogy folks here in the States who led me to Cotyroneireleand.com. Elywn has been most generous, providing additional information about the local area also. Thank you Len for your additional information. I actually have a transcription of Henry Jrs' March 1840 baptism record which lists it in Raphoe parish which might explain why it isn't with the other children's records (I think William died as a child). I will look for the Stevenson records, the ones that I had located didn't have a Barbara named at all. When my family and I visit in September, I will know far more about this group of ancestors than most, except our grandparents. Although Henry Sr may have been a labourer and his father Hugh a weaver, their son and grandson, created a town in Nebraska (with their name) that has fostered a strong community since 1890. In case you might be interested, I am attaching the 2 pages of the town Centennial book that was the information I had to start with, sorry it's not a better copy. Many, Many thanks for all your assistance! best regards, Valerie Valerie Stewart Fremont, California USA On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:02 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello Valerie and Elwyn, > > As Elwyn has stated, it can be difficult locating the residences of > weavers and labourers; in most instances they resided in humble cottages > erected on farms where they were employed. You are most fortunate that the > marriage announcement from the Londonderry Sentinel has survived. (see > attachment) > > The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records: > > *Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms * > > Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara > > Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara > > Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara > > No record of a baptism of Henry James > > > > You may have greater success in finding data on the Stevensons who were > numerous in Donaghmore parish and about Carnone. It is necessary to gather > some knowledge of townlands within Donaghmore – see > www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/donaghmore.html > > You will note that it borders Raphoe parish where there were several Allen > families > > Have you referred to my numerous files relevant to Carnone? > > *Stevenson Births and Marriages , Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal * > > www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html > > *Carnone files * > > www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html > > www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html > > www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html > > www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/convoy2.html > > *Donaghmore Tithe Applotment Book 1826 * > > www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html > > > > Carnone Presbyterian Church is still an active congregation of some sixty > families and is a three point charge with Donaghmore and Convoy (see photos > of the church and halls in > www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html > > Hope this assists your research, > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 June 2022 10:04 PM > *To:* cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Cc:* Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.com>; Elwyn Soutter < > elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Inquiry: about records from 1840s at > Carnone Presbyterian Church > > Valerie, > > The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current > Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on > Sundays. > > > > cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org > > > > Map here: > > > > https://www.google.com/maps/place/54 > °50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536 > > > > On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy. > > > > According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that > church are as follows: > > > > Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916. > > > > Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in > Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver. > > > > Irish Genealogy > <https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf> > > Irish Genealogy > > This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to > helping you in your search for records of fa... > > <https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09398/5404499.pdf> > > > > Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often > moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of > too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households > listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens > anywhere in Donegal that year. > > > Elwyn > > > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > Hello All, > Thanks for adding me to the mailing list! > I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA > > I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe > Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen. > I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying > to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived. > I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that > record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the > Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children > were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan > and Sarah). > Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood > - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United > States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually > settled in Nebraska. > > Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able > to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid > 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current > place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I > should be glad of the help. > * Many Thanks!* > Valerie > E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com <ValereiS4kids@gmail.com> > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= >

BB

Beverley Ballantine

Fri, Jun 17, 2022 9:30 PM

Hello Valerie - YES, all hail to the weavers, farmers, saddlers, stonecutters, mothers, milkmaids and babies of Ireland - the ancestors. My late husband's forebear ended up the richest man in a western Kentucky county - LOL

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 17, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hello Len Swindley!
You are quite amazing - doing all this work from Melbourne. I have seen your transcriptions for months now, with the help of some other Genealogy folks here in the States who led me to Cotyroneireleand.com.

Elywn has been most generous, providing additional information about the local area also.

Thank you Len for your additional information.
I actually have a transcription of Henry Jrs' March 1840 baptism record which lists it in Raphoe parish which might explain why it isn't with the other children's records (I think William died as a child). I will look for the Stevenson records, the ones that I had located didn't have a Barbara named at all.

When my family and I visit in September, I will know far more about this group of ancestors than most, except our grandparents. Although Henry Sr may have been a labourer and his father Hugh a weaver, their son and grandson, created a town in Nebraska (with their name) that has fostered a strong community since 1890.
In case you might be interested, I am attaching the 2 pages of the town Centennial book that was the information I had to start with, sorry it's not a better copy.

Many, Many thanks for all your assistance!
best regards,
Valerie

Valerie Stewart
Fremont, California USA

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:02 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello Valerie and Elwyn,

As Elwyn has stated, it can be difficult locating the residences of weavers and labourers; in most instances they resided in humble cottages erected on farms where they were employed. You are most fortunate that the marriage announcement from the Londonderry Sentinel has survived. (see attachment)

The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms

Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara

Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

No record of a baptism of Henry James

You may have greater success in finding data on the Stevensons who were numerous in Donaghmore parish and about Carnone. It is necessary to gather some knowledge of townlands within Donaghmore – see www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/donaghmore.html

You will note that it borders Raphoe parish where there were several Allen families

Have you referred to my numerous files relevant to Carnone?

Stevenson Births and Marriages , Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html

Carnone files

www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html

www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html

www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html

www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/convoy2.html

Donaghmore Tithe Applotment Book 1826

www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church is still an active congregation of some sixty families and is a three point charge with Donaghmore and Convoy (see photos of the church and halls in www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html

Hope this assists your research,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2022 10:04 PM
To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com; Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Inquiry: about records from 1840s at Carnone Presbyterian Church

Valerie,

The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on Sundays.

cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org

Map here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/54°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536

On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy.

According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that church are as follows:

Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916.

Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver.

Irish Genealogy

Irish Genealogy
This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to helping you in your search for records of fa...

Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens anywhere in Donegal that year.

Elwyn

On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Hello All,
Thanks for adding me to the mailing list!
I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA

I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen.
I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived.
I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah).
Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska.

Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help.
Many Thanks!
Valerie
E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com

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Hello Valerie - YES, all hail to the weavers, farmers, saddlers, stonecutters, mothers, milkmaids and babies of Ireland - the ancestors. My late husband's forebear ended up the richest man in a western Kentucky county - LOL Sent from my iPad > On Jun 17, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > Hello Len Swindley! > You are quite amazing - doing all this work from Melbourne. I have seen your transcriptions for months now, with the help of some other Genealogy folks here in the States who led me to Cotyroneireleand.com. > > Elywn has been most generous, providing additional information about the local area also. > > Thank you Len for your additional information. > I actually have a transcription of Henry Jrs' March 1840 baptism record which lists it in Raphoe parish which might explain why it isn't with the other children's records (I think William died as a child). I will look for the Stevenson records, the ones that I had located didn't have a Barbara named at all. > > When my family and I visit in September, I will know far more about this group of ancestors than most, except our grandparents. Although Henry Sr may have been a labourer and his father Hugh a weaver, their son and grandson, created a town in Nebraska (with their name) that has fostered a strong community since 1890. > In case you might be interested, I am attaching the 2 pages of the town Centennial book that was the information I had to start with, sorry it's not a better copy. > > Many, Many thanks for all your assistance! > best regards, > Valerie > > Valerie Stewart > Fremont, California USA > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:02 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Hello Valerie and Elwyn, >> >> As Elwyn has stated, it can be difficult locating the residences of weavers and labourers; in most instances they resided in humble cottages erected on farms where they were employed. You are most fortunate that the marriage announcement from the Londonderry Sentinel has survived. (see attachment) >> >> The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records: >> >> Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms >> >> Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara >> >> Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara >> >> Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara >> >> No record of a baptism of Henry James >> >> >> >> You may have greater success in finding data on the Stevensons who were numerous in Donaghmore parish and about Carnone. It is necessary to gather some knowledge of townlands within Donaghmore – see www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/donaghmore.html >> >> You will note that it borders Raphoe parish where there were several Allen families >> >> Have you referred to my numerous files relevant to Carnone? >> >> Stevenson Births and Marriages , Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal >> >> www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html >> >> Carnone files >> >> www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html >> >> www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html >> >> www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html >> >> www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/convoy2.html >> >> Donaghmore Tithe Applotment Book 1826 >> >> www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html >> >> >> >> Carnone Presbyterian Church is still an active congregation of some sixty families and is a three point charge with Donaghmore and Convoy (see photos of the church and halls in www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html >> >> Hope this assists your research, >> >> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2022 10:04 PM >> To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Cc: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.com>; Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Inquiry: about records from 1840s at Carnone Presbyterian Church >> >> Valerie, >> >> The website for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland says the current Minister of Carnone is the Rev C. McCibbin and that services are at 9.45 on Sundays. >> >> cmckibbin@presbyterianireland.org >> >> Map here: >> >> https://www.google.com/maps/place/54°50'20.0%22N+7°37'31.3%22W/@54.83888,-7.62536,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe6c7936be93b6d22!8m2!3d54.83888!4d-7.62536 >> >> On the Carnowen Rd between Castlefinn & Convoy. >> >> According to the PRONI guide to church records, early records for that church are as follows: >> >> Baptisms, 1834-1984; marriages, 1846-1916. >> >> Henry Allen’s second marriage shows that at that date he was living in Carnone (Carnowen) townland. His father Hugh was a weaver. >> >> Irish Genealogy >> >> Irish Genealogy >> This Irish Government supported, official web site, is dedicated to helping you in your search for records of fa... >> >> >> >> Labourers and weavers can be particularly difficult to trace as they often moved about to follow available work and also sometimes their homes were of too low a value to be noted in Griffiths. There are no Allen households listed in Carnone in Griffiths in 1858. Indeed there were no Hugh Allens anywhere in Donegal that year. >> >> >> Elwyn >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, 11 June 2022, 21:25:04 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hello All, >> Thanks for adding me to the mailing list! >> I am Valerie Stewart from California, USA >> >> I am a descendant of Henry Allen and Barbara Stevenson, folks from Raphoe Parish, County Donegal, according to the records we've seen. >> I plan to visit County Donegal in September with my family and I am trying to determine where exactly my great-great parents lived. >> I have some church records for Henry Allen (born approx. 1814) that record his first marriage - April 16, 1838 to Barbara Stevenson, by the Rev. John P. Dickey at the Carnone, Presbyterain Church. Their 4 children were baptized there also - from 1840 - 1846. (William, Henry James, Susan and Sarah). >> Apparently Barbara died and in November 1850 Henry married Catherine Flood - same church/parish location. After that they left for the United States. Henry James Allen was my great- great grandfather who eventually settled in Nebraska. >> >> Is the Carnone Presbyterain Church still active? I would like to be able to find it. The changing of names of locations since that time - early-mid 1800s- is proving confusing for me, at least in finding what the current place names are. If you could point me to some local resource/person, I should be glad of the help. >> Many Thanks! >> Valerie >> E-mail: ValerieS4kids@gmail.com >> ================================= >> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================