Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Could I suggest that when taking photos of headstones in cemeteries and churchyards, that people use either or both of the the “Billion Graves” app or the “FindaGrave” app (both available for all smart phones). The apps geo-locate the location and make the photos available for everyone to see, not just a closed group. Transcriptions and other notes can be added, if required. They each have their “useability” good and bad points, but both are helpful.
As a user, I have found many relatives’ headstones using these apps.
James
From: Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2022 7:21 AM
To: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com; Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures!
Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend the church service! Bless you!
We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take photos at both churches.
I will take photos of any records inside.
I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $ for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the thumb drive. Would that be useful?
Thanks for ALLLLL your help!
Best,
Valerie
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello again Valerie,
Your excitement is palpable.
The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this , it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn).
Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply marked their graves with a field stone.
Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most useful, also photos of old headstones.
Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley
From: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.commailto:valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
Cc: elwyn soutter <elwynsoutter@googlemail.commailto:elwynsoutter@googlemail.com>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹
I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them with you all.
I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words: To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made us possible informs our own life.
You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,
The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed response, but work and life have been a priority.
Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?
www.cotyroneireland.comhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/
and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish
www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES and JOHN
www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.
Continued success,
Len Swindley
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1883https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html
Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners 1620-1700https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish, Marriages 1820-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book, Donaghmore Parish 1826https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html
STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
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Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 7:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Valerie,
You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace.
You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.
The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.
As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.
https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm
Elwyn
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?
I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful.
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
No record of a baptism of Henry James
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)
Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location? Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.
Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Any advice would be appreciated. I was going through several churchyards last month, knowing that so many of my relations were buried there, but so few of the gravestones were legible. So frustrating.
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Could I suggest that when taking photos of headstones in cemeteries and churchyards, that people use either or both of the the “Billion Graves” app or the “FindaGrave” app (both available for all smart phones). The apps geo-locate the location and make the photos available for everyone to see, not just a closed group. Transcriptions and other notes can be added, if required. They each have their “useability” good and bad points, but both are helpful.
As a user, I have found many relatives’ headstones using these apps.
James
From: Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2022 7:21 AM
To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures!
Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend the church service! Bless you!
We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take photos at both churches.
I will take photos of any records inside.
I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $ for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the thumb drive. Would that be useful?
Thanks for ALLLLL your help!
Best,
Valerie
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello again Valerie,
Your excitement is palpable.
The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this , it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn).
Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply marked their graves with a field stone.
Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most useful, also photos of old headstones.
Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley
From: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.commailto:valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
Cc: elwyn soutter <elwynsoutter@googlemail.commailto:elwynsoutter@googlemail.com>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹
I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them with you all.
I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words: To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made us possible informs our own life.
You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,
The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed response, but work and life have been a priority.
Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?
www.cotyroneireland.comhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/
and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish
www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES and JOHN
www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.
Continued success,
Len Swindley
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1883https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html
Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners 1620-1700https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish, Marriages 1820-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book, Donaghmore Parish 1826https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html
STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Valerie,
You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace.
You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.
The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.
As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.
https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htmhttps://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm
Elwyn
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?
I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful.
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
No record of a baptism of Henry James
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)
Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location? Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.
Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Hi Roger,
my son who is an archaeologist has been allowed by tribal elders to
photograph ancient (Australian) aboriginal petroglyphs and rock art.
These present similar challenges to snapping old gravestones. He
concentrates on the lighting, both by his own torch and waiting for a
favourable sunlight angle, to throw the markings into relief. He even
uses different times of the day to snap the same images and then compare
and combine them. (Camping out around these site can be so pleasant in
summer). It is amazing just how revealing the right lighting can be -
even better than to the naked eye at the spot. This is not
post-processing, as nothing beats a good original, does it? but can help
when getting the primary shot. If the marking are not on the photo, then
no amount of CSI post processing can reveal it.
He does use IR, but rarely, which can help since temperature can vary
between groves and surface, but with limited success.
Gordon
On 31/08/2022 10:56 am, Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList wrote:
Does anyone know of a good guide to post-processing of the gravestone
images? Gravestones can be so hard to read, as they get covered in
lichens and as they decay, or (if not carved) as the raised letters
drop off. I have toiled with Photoshop trying to bring out the
captions on gravestones, altering different filters and
colour/vibrance sliders, sharpening options….. Only to be frustrated
that I cannot make out a key date or name. Or I still cannot read
much of it at all! There must also be a best time of day/light angle
for bringing out the lettering (and use infra-red)? It looks so easy
when they are trying to process bad images on CSI-type TV shows. [I
have the same issues with getting better text from old deed
transcriptions that are badly faded or badly photographed].
Any advice would be appreciated. I was going through several
churchyards last month, knowing that so many of my relations were
buried there, but so few of the gravestones were legible. So frustrating.
Roger
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If you know it’s the right headstone, crayon rubbings will sometimes work. My dad used to do that with worn headstones and it makes it much easier to decipher. Just place a piece of paper over the stone and rub it with the side of a crayon.
It’s not quite as useful if you have a large number of stones that are worn and you need to identify which one is of interest.
On Aug 30, 2022, at 8:59 PM, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Hi Roger,
my son who is an archaeologist has been allowed by tribal elders to photograph ancient (Australian) aboriginal petroglyphs and rock art. These present similar challenges to snapping old gravestones. He concentrates on the lighting, both by his own torch and waiting for a favourable sunlight angle, to throw the markings into relief. He even uses different times of the day to snap the same images and then compare and combine them. (Camping out around these site can be so pleasant in summer). It is amazing just how revealing the right lighting can be - even better than to the naked eye at the spot. This is not post-processing, as nothing beats a good original, does it? but can help when getting the primary shot. If the marking are not on the photo, then no amount of CSI post processing can reveal it.
He does use IR, but rarely, which can help since temperature can vary between groves and surface, but with limited success.
Gordon
On 31/08/2022 10:56 am, Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList wrote:
Does anyone know of a good guide to post-processing of the gravestone images? Gravestones can be so hard to read, as they get covered in lichens and as they decay, or (if not carved) as the raised letters drop off. I have toiled with Photoshop trying to bring out the captions on gravestones, altering different filters and colour/vibrance sliders, sharpening options….. Only to be frustrated that I cannot make out a key date or name. Or I still cannot read much of it at all! There must also be a best time of day/light angle for bringing out the lettering (and use infra-red)? It looks so easy when they are trying to process bad images on CSI-type TV shows. [I have the same issues with getting better text from old deed transcriptions that are badly faded or badly photographed].
Any advice would be appreciated. I was going through several churchyards last month, knowing that so many of my relations were buried there, but so few of the gravestones were legible. So frustrating.
Roger
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Valerie,
You may find this photo most illustrative: the graveyard of St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Co. Donegal (Donaghmore Parish Church) and the graves marked only with fieldstones - this graveyard is the burial place of your Stevenson and Flood forebears,
Len
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Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures!
Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend the church service! Bless you!
We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take photos at both churches.
I will take photos of any records inside.
I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $ for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the thumb drive. Would that be useful?
Thanks for ALLLLL your help!
Best,
Valerie
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello again Valerie,
Your excitement is palpable.
The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this , it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn).
Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply marked their graves with a field stone.
Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most useful, also photos of old headstones.
Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley
From: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.commailto:valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
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Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹
I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them with you all.
I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words: To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made us possible informs our own life.
You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,
The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed response, but work and life have been a priority.
Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?
www.cotyroneireland.comhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/
and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish
www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES and JOHN
www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.
Continued success,
Len Swindley
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1883https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html
Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners 1620-1700https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish, Marriages 1820-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book, Donaghmore Parish 1826https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html
STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
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Valerie,
You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace.
You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.
The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.
As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.
https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm
Elwyn
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?
I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful.
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
No record of a baptism of Henry James
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)
Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location? Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.
Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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James et al - I'd like to point out that sharing photos or data on
CoTyroneIreland.com is NOT using a "Closed Group"!!
The Mailling List is a closed to members only; HOWEVER, CoTyroneIreland.com
is, and always has been, a fully public, completely FREE website. While we
are not against posting information our users obtain on other websites, we
do take GREAT umbrance with the suggestion our users should post to other
websites and not to CoTyroneIreland.com
Therefore, we live in hope that any photos taken will be shared through CTI
for everyone's benefit as we have a large quantity of data on Carnone
already.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Jim
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 8:24 PM James Huey via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Could I suggest that when taking photos of headstones in cemeteries and
churchyards, that people use either or both of the the “Billion Graves”
app or the “FindaGrave” app (both available for all smart phones). The
apps geo-locate the location and make the photos available for everyone to
see, not just a closed group. Transcriptions and other notes can be added,
if required. They each have their “useability” good and bad points, but
both are helpful.
As a user, I have found many relatives’ headstones using these apps.
James
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of
Derry
Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures!
Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend
the church service! Bless you!
We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take
photos at both churches.
I will take photos of any records inside.
I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great
grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $
for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his
wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the
thumb drive. Would that be useful?
Thanks for ALLLLL your help!
Best,
Valerie
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello again Valerie,
Your excitement is palpable.
The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones
indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time
(a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this ,
it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard
attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near
Castlefinn).
Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply
marked their graves with a field stone.
Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI.
If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most
useful, also photos of old headstones.
Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley
From: Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Cc: elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com; CoTyroneIreland.com
Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
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of Derry
Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹
I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at
the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the
church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my
family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them
with you all.
I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there.
The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry
Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by
Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to
know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words:
To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made
us possible informs our own life.
You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello All,
The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for
his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed
response, but work and life have been a priority.
Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and
the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there
are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out
or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?
and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish
www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES
and JOHN
www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been
delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.
Continued success,
Len Swindley
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend
Payers 1867
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend
Payers 1883 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore
Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html
Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners
1620-1700 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore
Parish, Marriages 1820-99
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html
*Donaghmore *Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near
Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html
*Donaghmore *Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums),
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book, *Donaghmore Parish *1826
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html
STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
From: elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port
of Derry
Valerie,
You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry
senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available
work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than
Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change
lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same
forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers
and labourers generally harder to trace.
You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as
Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched
Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households
listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There
was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the
townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s
farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably
no connection.
The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have
survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen
in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other
Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood
family in Irish records.
As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just
turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door
when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.
https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm
Elwyn
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen* is* the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most
likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on
14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that
the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the
passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they
married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?
I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more
knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any
suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information-
I would be very grateful.
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children -
Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and *you *had
found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
* Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of
Baptisms*
-
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara* -
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* -
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* -
No record of a baptism of Henry James*
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)
Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's
father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his
name/location? Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian
Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but
it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise
and knowledge.
Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts
via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian
Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000
emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping
companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St
John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and
Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible
they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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I’m sorry .. I certainly did not mean (and I don’t think I said – though maybe I wasn’t clear) that photos be should posted elsewhere and not to the County Tyrone site. I’m all for posting as widely as possible !
So hope your umbrance (if any) can be assuaged. We are all on the same side.
James
From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 4 September 2022 11:07 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com; Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com; James Huey james@jameshuey.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
James et al - I'd like to point out that sharing photos or data on CoTyroneIreland.com is NOT using a "Closed Group"!!
The Mailling List is a closed to members only; HOWEVER, CoTyroneIreland.com is, and always has been, a fully public, completely FREE website. While we are not against posting information our users obtain on other websites, we do take GREAT umbrance with the suggestion our users should post to other websites and not to CoTyroneIreland.com
Therefore, we live in hope that any photos taken will be shared through CTI for everyone's benefit as we have a large quantity of data on Carnone already.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Jim
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 8:24 PM James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Could I suggest that when taking photos of headstones in cemeteries and churchyards, that people use either or both of the the “Billion Graves” app or the “FindaGrave” app (both available for all smart phones). The apps geo-locate the location and make the photos available for everyone to see, not just a closed group. Transcriptions and other notes can be added, if required. They each have their “useability” good and bad points, but both are helpful.
As a user, I have found many relatives’ headstones using these apps.
James
From: Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2022 7:21 AM
To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.commailto:valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures!
Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend the church service! Bless you!
We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take photos at both churches.
I will take photos of any records inside.
I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $ for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the thumb drive. Would that be useful?
Thanks for ALLLLL your help!
Best,
Valerie
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello again Valerie,
Your excitement is palpable.
The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this , it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn).
Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply marked their graves with a field stone.
Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most useful, also photos of old headstones.
Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley
From: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.commailto:valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>
Cc: elwyn soutter <elwynsoutter@googlemail.commailto:elwynsoutter@googlemail.com>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹
I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them with you all.
I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words: To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made us possible informs our own life.
You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,
The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed response, but work and life have been a priority.
Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?
www.cotyroneireland.comhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/
and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish
www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES and JOHN
www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.
Continued success,
Len Swindley
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1883https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html
Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners 1620-1700https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish, Marriages 1820-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book, Donaghmore Parish 1826https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html
STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
From: elwyn soutter <elwynsoutter@googlemail.commailto:elwynsoutter@googlemail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 7:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry
Valerie,
You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace.
You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.
The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.
As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.
https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm
Elwyn
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?
I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful.
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara
No record of a baptism of Henry James
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)
Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location? Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.
Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Thanks for your understanding, James
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 10:20 AM James Huey james@jameshuey.com wrote:
I’m sorry .. I certainly did not mean (and I don’t think I said – though
maybe I wasn’t clear) that photos be should posted elsewhere and not to the
County Tyrone site. I’m all for posting as widely as possible !
So hope your umbrance (if any) can be assuaged. We are all on the same
side.
James
From: James McKane jamckane@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 4 September 2022 11:07 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com; Valerie Stewart <
valeries4kids@gmail.com>; James Huey james@jameshuey.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port
of Derry
James et al - I'd like to point out that sharing photos or data on
CoTyroneIreland.com is NOT using a "Closed Group"!!
The Mailling List is a closed to members only; HOWEVER,
CoTyroneIreland.com is, and always has been, a fully public, completely
FREE website. While we are not against posting information our users obtain
on other websites, we do take GREAT umbrance with the suggestion our users
should post to other websites and not to CoTyroneIreland.com
Therefore, we live in hope that any photos taken will be shared through
CTI for everyone's benefit as we have a large quantity of data on Carnone
already.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Jim
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 8:24 PM James Huey via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Could I suggest that when taking photos of headstones in cemeteries and
churchyards, that people use either or both of the the “Billion Graves”
app or the “FindaGrave” app (both available for all smart phones). The
apps geo-locate the location and make the photos available for everyone to
see, not just a closed group. Transcriptions and other notes can be added,
if required. They each have their “useability” good and bad points, but
both are helpful.
As a user, I have found many relatives’ headstones using these apps.
James
From: Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2022 7:21 AM
To: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; Valerie Stewart <
valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of
Derry
Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures!
Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend
the church service! Bless you!
We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take
photos at both churches.
I will take photos of any records inside.
I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great
grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $
for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his
wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the
thumb drive. Would that be useful?
Thanks for ALLLLL your help!
Best,
Valerie
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello again Valerie,
Your excitement is palpable.
The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones
indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time
(a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this ,
it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard
attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near
Castlefinn).
Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply
marked their graves with a field stone.
Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI.
If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most
useful, also photos of old headstones.
Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley
From: Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Cc: elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com; CoTyroneIreland.com
Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port
of Derry
Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹
I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at
the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the
church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my
family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them
with you all.
I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there.
The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry
Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by
Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to
know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words:
To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made
us possible informs our own life.
You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello All,
The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for
his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed
response, but work and life have been a priority.
Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and
the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there
are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out
or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?
and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish
www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826
www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES
and JOHN
www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been
delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.
Continued success,
Len Swindley
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend
Payers 1867
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html
Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend
Payers 1883 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore
Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html
Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners
1620-1700 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html
Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore
Parish, Marriages 1820-99
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html
*Donaghmore *Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near
Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html
*Donaghmore *Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html
Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums),
Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html
Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html
Index to Tithe Applotment Book, *Donaghmore Parish *1826
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html
Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html
STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html
From: elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 7:53 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com; Valerie Stewart <
valeries4kids@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port
of Derry
Valerie,
You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry
senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available
work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than
Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change
lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same
forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers
and labourers generally harder to trace.
You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as
Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched
Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households
listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There
was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the
townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s
farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably
no connection.
The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have
survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen
in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other
Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood
family in Irish records.
As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just
turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door
when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.
https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm
Elwyn
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen* is* the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most
likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on
14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that
the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the
passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they
married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?
I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more
knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any
suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information-
I would be very grateful.
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children -
Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and *you *had
found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:
* Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of
Baptisms*
-
Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara* -
Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* -
Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* -
No record of a baptism of Henry James*
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)
Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's
father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his
name/location? Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian
Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but
it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise
and knowledge.
Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts
via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian
Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000
emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping
companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St
John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and
Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible
they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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