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Kevin Kachadourian
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 6:06 AM

So,... anyone want to talk about today's race?

So,... anyone want to talk about today's race?
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Tony Pagliaroli
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 11:01 AM

Oooooh, ME!!!!

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Oooooh, ME!!!! > On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > > So,... anyone want to talk about today's race? > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com
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Vicki Smith
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:12 PM

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call...
Vicki

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Oooooh, ME!!!!

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I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call... Vicki > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oooooh, ME!!!! > >> On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So,... anyone want to talk about today's race? >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com
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Tony Pags
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:45 PM

He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video right?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call...
Vicki

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Oooooh, ME!!!!

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He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video right? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call... > Vicki > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Oooooh, ME!!!! > > > >> On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> So,... anyone want to talk about today's race? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > >> http://www.ductalk.com/ > >> and > >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > >> _____________________ > >> Ducati mailing list > >> Ducati@list.ducati.net > >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >
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Lan Max
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:49 PM

After last year’s drama, Marquez reclaimed his throne and showed everyone
who really is the King of The Americas.
The raw speed, consistency, the gap & the ‘dance’ were a blunt statement;
yer all nothin, but a floss, Fuck y’all! (Although I’ve read that the dance
was dedicated to a sick kid.)

Still....VR was the star ⭐️ of the show. Made some mistakes, but overall
was strong enough for the position. He really needs a faster bike.

I think Morbidelli can be a good potential for a factory Yamaha bike, but I
hope the race incident wouldn’t drop him from the cards.
Viñales is just not giving good race results anymore: very inconsistent.

LOL @ Crutchlow.
Did he really think he could repeat last year’s results? Fck outta here.
The Commenetarors (Brits of course) were like “CLEARLY He had the pace for
a win or a 2nd place result” L O L.

So. question for you experts here: is there a sensor on the grid line to
detects jump starts?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:02 AM Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Oooooh, ME!!!!

On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com

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After last year’s drama, Marquez reclaimed his throne and showed everyone who really is the King of The Americas. The raw speed, consistency, the gap & the ‘dance’ were a blunt statement; yer all nothin, but a floss, Fuck y’all! (Although I’ve read that the dance was dedicated to a sick kid.) Still....VR was the star ⭐️ of the show. Made some mistakes, but overall was strong enough for the position. He really needs a faster bike. I think Morbidelli can be a good potential for a factory Yamaha bike, but I hope the race incident wouldn’t drop him from the cards. Viñales is just not giving good race results anymore: very inconsistent. LOL @ Crutchlow. Did he really think he could repeat last year’s results? Fck outta here. The Commenetarors (Brits of course) were like “CLEARLY He had the pace for a win or a 2nd place result” L O L. So. question for you experts here: is there a sensor on the grid line to detects jump starts? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:02 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Oooooh, ME!!!! > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > So,... anyone want to talk about today's race? > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #
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Vicki Smith
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:51 PM

I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like generally
the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until after
the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I agree
with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have
been given to MM or VR if they had done it.  Real shame, Cal was having a
great weekend.
Vicki

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video right?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call...
Vicki

On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Oooooh, ME!!!!

I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like generally the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until after the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I agree with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have been given to MM or VR if they had done it. Real shame, Cal was having a great weekend. Vicki On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video right? > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > > > I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call... > > Vicki > > > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Oooooh, ME!!!! > > > > >
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Christian Els
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:54 PM

Also, something something Rossi something Sunday man.

MAQ was just gone, nothing to say about that, but the old man pulled off
his usual despite (to spite?) his detractors.

Petrux did well to hang with the lead(ish, after MAQ) pack. Dovi seemed to
accept a podium as good enough and didn't really fight the Doctor for it,
did he?

I wonder where they would be finishing respectively had Zarco taken the
other Honda seat and Lorenzo the KTM (or Suzuki? Speaking of, WTF happened
to Iannone this weekend?) Oliveira is showing himself a rider.

Christian

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:46 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video right?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call...
Vicki

On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Oooooh, ME!!!!

On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian <

wrote:

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Also, something something Rossi something Sunday man. MAQ was just gone, nothing to say about that, but the old man pulled off his usual despite (to spite?) his detractors. Petrux did well to hang with the lead(ish, after MAQ) pack. Dovi seemed to accept a podium as good enough and didn't really fight the Doctor for it, did he? I wonder where they would be finishing respectively had Zarco taken the other Honda seat and Lorenzo the KTM (or Suzuki? Speaking of, WTF happened to Iannone this weekend?) Oliveira is showing himself a rider. Christian On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:46 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video right? > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > > > I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad call... > > Vicki > > > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Oooooh, ME!!!! > > > > > >> On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Kachadourian < > kkachadourian@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> So,... anyone want to talk about today's race? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > >> http://www.ductalk.com/ > > >> and > > >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > >> _____________________ > > >> Ducati mailing list > > >> Ducati@list.ducati.net > > >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > > and > > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > > _____________________ > > > Ducati mailing list > > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > > Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >
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Tony Pags
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 12:55 PM

But the rules clearly don't say anything about leaving the box...

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:52 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like generally
the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until after
the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I agree
with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have
been given to MM or VR if they had done it.  Real shame, Cal was having a
great weekend.
Vicki

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video

right?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad

call...

Vicki

On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com

wrote:

Oooooh, ME!!!!

But the rules clearly don't say anything about leaving the box... On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:52 AM Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like generally > the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until after > the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I agree > with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have > been given to MM or VR if they had done it. Real shame, Cal was having a > great weekend. > Vicki > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video > right? > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > > > > > I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad > call... > > > Vicki > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oooooh, ME!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >
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Tony Pags
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 2:33 PM

Great summary here - looks like there is some discretion, but nothing about
the box itself (which is really there to stage the riders only):
https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501864082391040

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

But the rules clearly don't say anything about leaving the box...

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:52 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like generally
the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until after
the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I agree
with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have
been given to MM or VR if they had done it.  Real shame, Cal was having a
great weekend.
Vicki

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video

right?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad

call...

Vicki

On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com

wrote:

Oooooh, ME!!!!

Great summary here - looks like there is some discretion, but nothing about the box itself (which is really there to stage the riders only): https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501864082391040 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > But the rules clearly don't say anything about leaving the box... > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:52 AM Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > >> I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like generally >> the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until after >> the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I agree >> with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have >> been given to MM or VR if they had done it. Real shame, Cal was having a >> great weekend. >> Vicki >> >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video >> right? >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: >> > >> > > I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad >> call... >> > > Vicki >> > > >> > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Oooooh, ME!!!! >> > > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >> >
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Lan Max
Mon, Apr 1, 2019 3:34 PM

Very difficult to judge from spectators’ point of view. If there’s a sensor
on the line, as Hodgson says, then perhaps that’s what triggered the call.
If not, then the steward who made the call got some real good eyes.

The analysis was that Crutchlow was rolling forward. Whether there was an
advantage or not, the rules state that the motorbike must be stationary, to
which he was not. Break the rules and expect a penalty.

These guys are real professionals in highest level of motorcycle racing on
this planet. It ain’t no club racing. The level is so high that they cannot
afford to make the slightest mistake. This way, the level will keep moving
up.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:34 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

Great summary here - looks like there is some discretion, but nothing about
the box itself (which is really there to stage the riders only):
https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501864082391040

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

But the rules clearly don't say anything about leaving the box...

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:52 AM Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like

generally

the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until

after

the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I

agree

with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have
been given to MM or VR if they had done it.  Real shame, Cal was having

a

great weekend.
Vicki

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:

He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video

right?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith vicki@ducati.net wrote:

I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad

call...

Vicki

On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli ajpags@gmail.com

wrote:

Oooooh, ME!!!!

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Very difficult to judge from spectators’ point of view. If there’s a sensor on the line, as Hodgson says, then perhaps that’s what triggered the call. If not, then the steward who made the call got some real good eyes. The analysis was that Crutchlow was rolling forward. Whether there was an advantage or not, the rules state that the motorbike must be stationary, to which he was not. Break the rules and expect a penalty. These guys are real professionals in highest level of motorcycle racing on this planet. It ain’t no club racing. The level is so high that they cannot afford to make the slightest mistake. This way, the level will keep moving up. On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:34 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Great summary here - looks like there is some discretion, but nothing about > the box itself (which is really there to stage the riders only): > https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1112501864082391040 > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > But the rules clearly don't say anything about leaving the box... > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:52 AM Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > > > >> I understand the advantage of rolling momentum but it seems like > generally > >> the rules tend to apply to leaving the box. Which he didn’t do until > after > >> the green. It felt to me to have been a ruling improperly applied. I > agree > >> with half the world posting this am that I doubt that penalty would have > >> been given to MM or VR if they had done it. Real shame, Cal was having > a > >> great weekend. > >> Vicki > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > He sure did - but then again, nobody else moved at all in that video > >> right? > >> > > >> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I saw the Crutchlow video this morning. I think he got a very bad > >> call... > >> > > Vicki > >> > > > >> > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Oooooh, ME!!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > >> http://www.ductalk.com/ > >> and > >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > >> _____________________ > >> Ducati mailing list > >> Ducati@list.ducati.net > >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #