Either But I like the little frosty Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote: > > Send Ducati mailing list submissions to > ducati@list.ducati.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ducati-request@list.ducati.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ducati-owner@list.ducati.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ducati digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > (Tony Pagliaroli) > 2. The GOTT (Phil) > 3. Re: Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > (Daniel Bourgoin) > 4. Re: Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > (Tony Pagliaroli) > 5. US Desmo tragedy this weekend in TN (George Betzhold) > 6. Re: Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > (Garth Williams) > 7. Re: Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) (Tony Pags) > 8. Re: Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > (Daniel Bourgoin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 21:10:54 -0400 > From: Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati > content) > Message-ID: <C2A51D4C-85BE-439C-9D4E-588A8B28ABD0@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > If that SDGT wasn?t so expensive I might give it a go. Oh and the side panniers won?t fit a helmet (I think?) which is kind of a bummer. > > But it?s on my short list for sure. Whenever I decide to either love or leave this R1200RT anyway. > > Pags > >> On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Christian Els <tian647@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I had an Aprilia Futura for 17 years, just replaced it with a KTM Super >> Duke GT both are fantastic touring mounts that lean way over to the sport >> side of the sport-touring equation but still handle Saddle Sore rides with >> aplomb. I've gotten old/cautious enough that I appreciate ABS, traction >> control, etc. which is why I finally made the jump. Electronic nannies >> aside the Aprilia remains the most comfortable motorcycle I've ever ridden >> on, and quite capable scratching canyons and blue highways. >> >> Happy to answer any specific questions you might have about either bike. >> >> >> Christian >> Kansas City >> '17 SDGT >> '06 Sachs MadAss >> '94 900 SS/CR >> '91 851 Strada >> ''89 NT650 HawkGT >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In following up on the storyline that continues after the Thursday night >>> death of my ST1300, along with the death of the deer my son hit at about 45 >>> mph while riding it (he has survived with no broken bones amazingly), I now >>> have an opportunity to replace a bike I never really planned on replacing, >>> but that being the case, I?m now educating myself in the same way I did 10 >>> years ago by reading up on various bikes and again asking the collective >>> experience of our group for opinions about what they?ve owned and >>> liked/disliked in the sport touring class. I?m open to just about anything, >>> so thanks in advance to anyone who cares to contribute thoughts. If this >>> thread will clutter up the list world, I?m happy to hear from anyone >>> privately. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list >>> Ducati@list.ducati.net >>> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 00:14:42 -0400 > From: Phil <morinimoe@gmail.com> > To: ducati@list.ducati.net > Subject: [Ducati] The GOTT > Message-ID: <311C2EA4-DD3D-4A43-8731-A966C2AACF88@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Yeah, Yeah, I'm far from the brightest bulb on the tree but MM has won me over as the Greatest Of This Time. Many stars've lined up for him but he's so consistently right there these days. I'm afraid I agree about Dovi, in another era he might've stolen, he's way beyond Sete Gibernau for instance, a Title but it's not gonna happen with a healthy MM on a Honda. Thing is Dovi is pretty much the best option at present. Jorge may have been the guy to get Ducati over the hump, or not. Casey Stoner, there's yer answer, is at least as talented as 93 but time's passing. Some of the young guys show fast so, as they said in Brooklyn, wait'll next year! As to the longer view, I've always loved what Cal Rayborn did on an iron XR to the Brits in the UK Easter time. Let's also not forget Hailwood. Finally the elektrickery on modern racers pretty much, for me, nullifies any considerations insofar as the GOAT, just sayin'... Phil/ NJ > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 07:54:12 +0000 > From: Daniel Bourgoin <Dan.bourgoin@outlook.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati > content) > Message-ID: > <BY5PR12MB41315830C6CDD39BDBFB70379CDA0@BY5PR12MB4131.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Steve, > > I have owned many bikes, ST1100s, ST1300s, 996, 998, air cooled and water cooled Multistradas (current bike is a ?14 Multistrada 1200 GT) > > Some friends and I just completed a 2000+ mile ride through the European Alps and we rented 2019 BMW 1250 GSs. > > I?m so sold. Best all around bike I?ve ever ridden. Just a thought. > > Dan > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:10:54 AM > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > > If that SDGT wasn?t so expensive I might give it a go. Oh and the side panniers won?t fit a helmet (I think?) which is kind of a bummer. > > But it?s on my short list for sure. Whenever I decide to either love or leave this R1200RT anyway. > > Pags > >> On Aug 4, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Christian Els <tian647@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I had an Aprilia Futura for 17 years, just replaced it with a KTM Super >> Duke GT both are fantastic touring mounts that lean way over to the sport >> side of the sport-touring equation but still handle Saddle Sore rides with >> aplomb. I've gotten old/cautious enough that I appreciate ABS, traction >> control, etc. which is why I finally made the jump. Electronic nannies >> aside the Aprilia remains the most comfortable motorcycle I've ever ridden >> on, and quite capable scratching canyons and blue highways. >> >> Happy to answer any specific questions you might have about either bike. >> >> >> Christian >> Kansas City >> '17 SDGT >> '06 Sachs MadAss >> '94 900 SS/CR >> '91 851 Strada >> ''89 NT650 HawkGT >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In following up on the storyline that continues after the Thursday night >>> death of my ST1300, along with the death of the deer my son hit at about 45 >>> mph while riding it (he has survived with no broken bones amazingly), I now >>> have an opportunity to replace a bike I never really planned on replacing, >>> but that being the case, I?m now educating myself in the same way I did 10 >>> years ago by reading up on various bikes and again asking the collective >>> experience of our group for opinions about what they?ve owned and >>> liked/disliked in the sport touring class. I?m open to just about anything, >>> so thanks in advance to anyone who cares to contribute thoughts. If this >>> thread will clutter up the list world, I?m happy to hear from anyone >>> privately. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list >>> Ducati@list.ducati.net >>> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: dan.bourgoin@outlook.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:26:35 -0400 > From: Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati > content) > Message-ID: <FC40AC06-A5ED-4C6B-B781-A67A2DFA5902@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > But tall. Very tall. Like I can?t reach the side stand tall. > > How?s the long distance wind protection on the GS? That?s always a concern for me on adv bikes. > > Pags > (Who has a very vested interest in Steve?s next bike) > >> On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:54 AM, Daniel Bourgoin <Dan.bourgoin@outlook.com> wrote: >> >> Steve, >> >> I have owned many bikes, ST1100s, ST1300s, 996, 998, air cooled and water cooled Multistradas (current bike is a ?14 Multistrada 1200 GT) >> >> Some friends and I just completed a 2000+ mile ride through the European Alps and we rented 2019 BMW 1250 GSs. >> >> I?m so sold. Best all around bike I?ve ever ridden. Just a thought. >> >> Dan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 09:08:34 -0400 > From: "George Betzhold" <george@scottishwoods.com> > To: "'Ducati Owners Group'" <ducati@list.ducati.net>, "'Bevelheads'" > <bevelheads@lists.micapeak.com> > Subject: [Ducati] US Desmo tragedy this weekend in TN > Message-ID: <028a01d54b8e$e6ae4ec0$b40aec40$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Many of you know that the US Desmo "Ducks Head West" was this weekend in Erwin, TN. Many of you also know Stevo Ernst who is a regular attendee of all US Desmo events. > > Stevo has reported that he and Randall (Stevo did not identify which US Desmo member Randall) were involved in a serious accident yesterday. Both are in serious condition in Johnson City, TN. Stevo reports that Randall is close to death. > > I have no other info on this as Stevo post the initial report a bit over an hour ago. > > George Betzhold > Scottish Woods Log Cabin Resort and Ducati Sanctuary > www.scottishwoods.com > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:19:20 -0500 > From: Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati > content) > Message-ID: > <CAM1BX1CGvBnVs=zA_Lnve8SiVeytrTT79uvtK92F=_2t0zmJRA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Pags- BMW has several seats for the GS- > https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/accessories-and-gear/seat-height-options.html#/section-adventure > . > I'm of relatively short stature myself and have stayed away from the GS for > this reason in the past. Have you tried them with the low seat? > > > > > *Garth Williams* > > > >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:27 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But tall. Very tall. Like I can?t reach the side stand tall. >> >> How?s the long distance wind protection on the GS? That?s always a >> concern for me on adv bikes. >> >> Pags >> (Who has a very vested interest in Steve?s next bike) >> >>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:54 AM, Daniel Bourgoin <Dan.bourgoin@outlook.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I have owned many bikes, ST1100s, ST1300s, 996, 998, air cooled and >> water cooled Multistradas (current bike is a ?14 Multistrada 1200 GT) >>> >>> Some friends and I just completed a 2000+ mile ride through the European >> Alps and we rented 2019 BMW 1250 GSs. >>> >>> I?m so sold. Best all around bike I?ve ever ridden. Just a thought. >>> >>> Dan >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: garthfw@gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 09:35:05 -0400 > From: Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati > content) > Message-ID: > <CABp9wjU0fytxrhhk4EGC74A0v2VBozWuA1+GJYPYRTqTC+6ZBQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I have - but only the GSA with a low seat, and that was still a bit too > tall. A regular GS might work though. I'm only 5'5". Even the 800 GS is > way too tall! > > Pags > >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:20 AM Garth Williams <garthfw@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Pags- BMW has several seats for the GS- >> >> https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/accessories-and-gear/seat-height-options.html#/section-adventure >> . >> I'm of relatively short stature myself and have stayed away from the GS for >> this reason in the past. Have you tried them with the low seat? >> >> >> >> >> *Garth Williams* >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:27 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> But tall. Very tall. Like I can?t reach the side stand tall. >>> >>> How?s the long distance wind protection on the GS? That?s always a >>> concern for me on adv bikes. >>> >>> Pags >>> (Who has a very vested interest in Steve?s next bike) >>> >>>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:54 AM, Daniel Bourgoin <Dan.bourgoin@outlook.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> I have owned many bikes, ST1100s, ST1300s, 996, 998, air cooled and >>> water cooled Multistradas (current bike is a ?14 Multistrada 1200 GT) >>>> >>>> Some friends and I just completed a 2000+ mile ride through the >> European >>> Alps and we rented 2019 BMW 1250 GSs. >>>> >>>> I?m so sold. Best all around bike I?ve ever ridden. Just a thought. >>>> >>>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list >>> Ducati@list.ducati.net >>> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: garthfw@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 13:39:59 +0000 > From: Daniel Bourgoin <Dan.bourgoin@outlook.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati > content) > Message-ID: > <BY5PR12MB41318360C8315333F4B99CE59CDA0@BY5PR12MB4131.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So... > > We thought the seat height would be an issue as well for one of our group. He is 5'6". The company we worked through (Adriatic Motorsports...excellent by the way...) provisioned a new 1250 GS for him with both a lower suspension and a lower seat and our 5'6" friend was completely comfortable on the bike and could touch both feet firmly to the ground with no issues. > > As for wind protection, I found the airflow on the bike completely unobtrusive, comfortable to the point that I never really thought about it. No buffeting or related issues. That being said, it's not full coverage like an ST or bigger more touring oriented bike. I always found that my head stuck up high enough (I'm 6'3") over most fairings that unless I was on a BMW K1600...a bike I've spent some time on... or something big like that, I was always in air flow of one sort or another. The hand protectors are very effective. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> On Behalf Of Garth Williams > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:19 PM > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Replacement bike ponderings (maybe Ducati content) > > Pags- BMW has several seats for the GS- > https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/accessories-and-gear/seat-height-options.html#/section-adventure > . > I'm of relatively short stature myself and have stayed away from the GS for this reason in the past. Have you tried them with the low seat? > > > > > *Garth Williams* > > > >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:27 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But tall. Very tall. Like I can?t reach the side stand tall. >> >> How?s the long distance wind protection on the GS? That?s always a >> concern for me on adv bikes. >> >> Pags >> (Who has a very vested interest in Steve?s next bike) >> >>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:54 AM, Daniel Bourgoin >>> <Dan.bourgoin@outlook.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I have owned many bikes, ST1100s, ST1300s, 996, 998, air cooled and >> water cooled Multistradas (current bike is a ?14 Multistrada 1200 GT) >>> >>> Some friends and I just completed a 2000+ mile ride through the >>> European >> Alps and we rented 2019 BMW 1250 GSs. >>> >>> I?m so sold. Best all around bike I?ve ever ridden. Just a thought. >>> >>> Dan >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: garthfw@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: dan.bourgoin@outlook.com > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > Check out Ductalk.com for an addictive mix of the best Ducati news items. > > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Ducati Digest, Vol 116, Issue 156 > ****************************************