CTI Mailing List Query
Hi all,
I've personally visited graveyards in Tyrone and Armagh and too many of
the inscriptions are illegible. The ravages of weather and lichen have
wrecked their all on them. The older sandstone headstones seem unable to
last longer than mid 19thC.
But all is not lost. Oblique lighting can enhance the engravings. Either
get the sun to do that for you (if you arrive at the right time of day,
or are super patient) or bring your own floodlight. My son uses that
technique to photo-record Australian aboriginal rock art with some
stunning successes. It's surprising just how legible some inscriptions
can become under the right light direction. A powerful flash-light
works, but only over a small area, so multiple photos are required, and
you'll need a helper to hold the light.
Gordon
On 30/05/2023 5:05 am, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How can I check?
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Great tip with light GordonSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Date: 30/05/23 4:31 PM (GMT+12:00) To: Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Cc: Gordon Wilkinson neredon@ozemail.com.au Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List Query Hi all,I've personally visited graveyards in Tyrone and Armagh and too many of the inscriptions are illegible. The ravages of weather and lichen have wrecked their all on them. The older sandstone headstones seem unable to last longer than mid 19thC.But all is not lost. Oblique lighting can enhance the engravings. Either get the sun to do that for you (if you arrive at the right time of day, or are super patient) or bring your own floodlight. My son uses that technique to photo-record Australian aboriginal rock art with some stunning successes. It's surprising just how legible some inscriptions can become under the right light direction. A powerful flash-light works, but only over a small area, so multiple photos are required, and you'll need a helper to hold the light.GordonOn 30/05/2023 5:05 am, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList wrote:> Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How can I check?>> Thanks,> Katherine Quigley>
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Using our Every Name Index I found Andrew's military info at
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/cumber.html
and James' wedding at
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/drumquin2.html
There are other records as well for the tithe, etc.
There are many other entries for a James as well
Good Luck
Jim
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM Katherine Q via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Thank you so much for all your replies. I know that my 4th-great
grandfather, Andrew Quigley, lived in County Tyrone at the time of his
death in 1847. He was originally from Athlone in County Westmeath, but he
moved to County Tyrone after he became a pensioner after his service in the
Royal Artillery. His son, James Quigley, was married in the Drumquin
Presbyterian Church in 1848. I was hoping to find a gravestone for Andrew
and also see if maybe he had any children buried near him that I haven't
found other records for.
I have been in contact with the minister at that church, and he said there
was a cemetery, but no death records. Does anyone have a researcher to
recommend to look through the cemetery for me?
On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 4:36 PM Dave Vanable via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Thanks Peter for this!
Since I was there to confirm my original purchase location, I decided to
buy the four Tyrone PDF files... they arrived just now, 11:30pm on a Monday
night in the UK, only an hour after ordering!
Dave
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From peter@basingstokecircuit.net
To "Dave Vanable" dave@dawnwalk.com; "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing
List" cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Date 5/29/2023 5:41:33 PM
Subject RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List Query
I agree with Dave that the Kabristan bookshop books / pdfs are very
useful having had the ones for County Leitrim for many years as they have
helped to confirm & add to the research for my Wife’s Ancestors as they had
a large presence in that County.
Another very useful resource is www.igp-wweb.com which has listings with
photos of many graveyards. The link for Tyrone is:
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
Peter
From: Dave Vanable via CoTyroneList <
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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:36 PM
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Cc: Dave Vanable dave@dawnwalk.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List Query
There are some e-books that can be purchased where people have
transcribed various graveyards... I had several "good hits" which have
later been proven accurate via picture sent to me.
The e-book I purchased is for County Leitrim, though I see many other
counties including Tyrone listed:
I don't know if there are other sources for this data, I purchased this
(only £5!) early in my genealogy work.
Based on a quick search I do see a link here which lists MANY graveyards
by county, and indicates whether published online or not (change the county
name in the URL if you want something different, or just use the site
search):
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_graveyards.php?search_type=full&county=Tyrone
Ideally some of this is useful!
Best, Dave
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Cc "Elwyn Soutter" elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Date 5/29/2023 4:08:08 PM
Subject [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List Query
Katherine,
My guide to Presbyterian congregations says there has been one at
Drumquin since the 1600s. It also mentions that a new church was built
between 1860 – 1863 after which the old church became the Manse (ie the
Minister’s home). I would guess therefore that the graveyard does go back
earlier than 1845.
Presbyterians generally didn’t keep burial records so there are unlikely
to be any paper records for who is buried there. You just have to hope
there’s a legible gravestone. You could try writing to the Minister to see
if anyone has ever transcribed them or if he knows of a grave for your
family. Otherwise you may just have to pay a researcher to go and look.
Not every Minister replies to these enquiries. Some get rather more
genealogical enquiries than they feel able to deal with. On the other hand
some are very obliging.
Elwyn
On Monday, 29 May 2023, 20:35:47 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard
if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian
church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How
can I check?
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Thank you all.
Jim - I have found all the above-mentioned records on James and Andrew (and more) as I have been working on finding information on them for 4-5 years now. I really think that the information I need at this point is not online, so I will need to look to other resources.
On May 30, 2023, at 3:04 AM, James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> wrote:
Using our Every Name Index I found Andrew's military info at https://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/cumber.htmland James' wedding at https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/drumquin2.html
There are other records as well for the tithe, etc.
There are many other entries for a James as well
Good Luck
Jim
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM Katherine Q via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Thank you so much for all your replies. I know that my 4th-great grandfather, Andrew Quigley, lived in County Tyrone at the time of his death in 1847. He was originally from Athlone in County Westmeath, but he moved to County Tyrone after he became a pensioner after his service in the Royal Artillery. His son, James Quigley, was married in the Drumquin Presbyterian Church in 1848. I was hoping to find a gravestone for Andrew and also see if maybe he had any children buried near him that I haven't found other records for.
I have been in contact with the minister at that church, and he said there was a cemetery, but no death records. Does anyone have a researcher to recommend to look through the cemetery for me?
On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 4:36 PM Dave Vanable via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Thanks Peter for this!
Since I was there to confirm my original purchase location, I decided to buy the four Tyrone PDF files... they arrived just now, 11:30pm on a Monday night in the UK, only an hour after ordering!
Dave
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Date 5/29/2023 5:41:33 PM
Subject RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List Query
I agree with Dave that the Kabristan bookshop books / pdfs are very useful having had the ones for County Leitrim for many years as they have helped to confirm & add to the research for my Wife’s Ancestors as they had a large presence in that County.
Another very useful resource is www.igp-wweb.com which has listings with photos of many graveyards. The link for Tyrone is:
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
Peter
From: Dave Vanable via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:36 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Dave Vanable <dave@dawnwalk.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List QueryThere are some e-books that can be purchased where people have transcribed various graveyards... I had several "good hits" which have later been proven accurate via picture sent to me.
The e-book I purchased is for County Leitrim, though I see many other counties including Tyrone listed:
I don't know if there are other sources for this data, I purchased this (only £5!) early in my genealogy work.
Based on a quick search I do see a link here which lists MANY graveyards by county, and indicates whether published online or not (change the county name in the URL if you want something different, or just use the site search):
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_graveyards.php?search_type=full&county=Tyrone
Ideally some of this is useful!
Best, Dave
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Cc "Elwyn Soutter" <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>
Date 5/29/2023 4:08:08 PM
Subject [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CTI Mailing List Query
Katherine,
My guide to Presbyterian congregations says there has been one at Drumquin since the 1600s. It also mentions that a new church was built between 1860 – 1863 after which the old church became the Manse (ie the Minister’s home). I would guess therefore that the graveyard does go back earlier than 1845.
Presbyterians generally didn’t keep burial records so there are unlikely to be any paper records for who is buried there. You just have to hope there’s a legible gravestone. You could try writing to the Minister to see if anyone has ever transcribed them or if he knows of a grave for your family. Otherwise you may just have to pay a researcher to go and look.
Not every Minister replies to these enquiries. Some get rather more genealogical enquiries than they feel able to deal with. On the other hand some are very obliging.
Elwyn
On Monday, 29 May 2023, 20:35:47 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How can I check?
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Every Name Index- a great resource! Gordon
On 30/05/2023 6:34 pm, James McKane via CoTyroneList wrote:
Using our Every Name Index I found Andrew's military info at
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/cumber.html
and James' wedding at
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/drumquin2.html
There are other records as well for the tithe, etc.
There are many other entries for a James as well
Good Luck
Jim
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
Hello guys
Top of the morning to you all.
Just coincidentally this popped up in a news alert earlier, sent to me by a cousin in Derry ....
From an article on RTE.ie ....
[ https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0531/1386521-irish-dog-foods-to-create-150-jobs-with-20m-investment/ | https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0531/1386521-irish-dog-foods-to-create-150-jobs-with-20m-investment/ ]
"..... Owned by the Arrow Group Irish Dog Foods was established in 1985. It is led by Liam Queally and employs around 370 people in Ireland. ...."
A less swiggly spelling for "Quigley" perhaps ...?
Katherine, hope this may lead you to more records. We're all Irish and we share the challenges!
Warm regards
Dave Mitchell
Cape Town
South Africa
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Subject: Irish Dog Foods to create 150 jobs with €20m investment
I thought you'd be interested in this article on RTE.ie:
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0531/1386521-irish-dog-foods-to-create-150-jobs-with-20m-investment/
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Katherine,
My guide to Presbyterian congregations says there has been one at Drumquin since the 1600s. It also mentions that a new church was built between 1860 – 1863 after which the old church became the Manse (ie the Minister’s home). I would guess therefore that the graveyard does go back earlier than 1845.
Presbyterians generally didn’t keep burial records so there are unlikely to be any paper records for who is buried there. You just have to hope there’s a legible gravestone. You could try writing to the Minister to see if anyone has ever transcribed them or if he knows of a grave for your family. Otherwise you may just have to pay a researcher to go and look.
Not every Minister replies to these enquiries. Some get rather more genealogical enquiries than they feel able to deal with. On the other hand some are very obliging.
Elwyn
On Monday, 29 May 2023, 20:35:47 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How can I check?
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Hello Katherine
Very few Presbyterian churches in Cos Tyrone and Donegal had their own graveyards and did not commence to gain them until the 1870s onwards. Prior to this, the usual burial place for Presbyterians was the parish graveyard (generally attached to the parish (Church of Ireland) church.) Noting that the earliest date on headstones at Drumquin (Longfield East parish) is 1872, Drumquin congregation seems to fit into this basket.
The Pattons and Quigleys both farmed in Wilmount townland which is in Longfield West Parish, so I would expect their burial places to be at the old Longfield West parish church. The surviving registers have been filmed and available at PRONI, Belfast: LONGFIELD WEST C.I. Langfield Lower (Derry diocese) [Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin] Baptisms, 1809-10; marriages, 1845 1934; marriage notices, 1906 74;burials, 1878-1981; vestry minutes, 1810-29 and 1870-1900; minute book, 1880-91.
Hope this assists and perhaps clarifies the situation,
Len Swindley
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Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How can I check?
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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The book, "Tombstones of the Omey", may be what you need.
A second edition of ‘Tombstones of Omey’ soon to be released | We Are
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On Tue, 30 May 2023, 05:31 Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've personally visited graveyards in Tyrone and Armagh and too many of
the inscriptions are illegible. The ravages of weather and lichen have
wrecked their all on them. The older sandstone headstones seem unable to
last longer than mid 19thC.
But all is not lost. Oblique lighting can enhance the engravings. Either
get the sun to do that for you (if you arrive at the right time of day,
or are super patient) or bring your own floodlight. My son uses that
technique to photo-record Australian aboriginal rock art with some
stunning successes. It's surprising just how legible some inscriptions
can become under the right light direction. A powerful flash-light
works, but only over a small area, so multiple photos are required, and
you'll need a helper to hold the light.
Gordon
On 30/05/2023 5:05 am, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Is anyone aware of the best way to check the gravestones in a graveyard
if I can’t go in person? I know the records for the Drumquin Presbyterian
church only go back to 1845, but does the graveyard go back further? How
can I check?
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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