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J/S Grace

Sun, Feb 21, 2021 4:21 PM

Our family always surmised it was a connection to the Orange movement that resulted in two relatives having their given names as "Orange": Orange Hagan Boak (1867-1947) and Orange Elmer Emery (1855-1945).

--Sandy

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Date: 02/21/2021 10:08 AM
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, eland; List of Members 1784-1832

PatIt might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance.
It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records.
Best wishes
Evelyn Cardwell

Get BlueMail for AndroidOn 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:Hi Jim and Len,

My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840?

Thank you.

Pat

On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Thanks Jim.
This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832

Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Our family always surmised it was a connection to the Orange movement that resulted in two relatives having their given names as "Orange": Orange Hagan Boak (1867-1947) and Orange Elmer Emery (1855-1945). --Sandy -----Original Message----- From: "ECardwell via CoTyroneList" [cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com] Date: 02/21/2021 10:08 AM To: "Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> CC: "Pat Hocker" <pat.hocker@icloud.com>, "ECardwell" <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, eland; List of Members 1784-1832 PatIt might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance. It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records. Best wishes Evelyn Cardwell Get BlueMail for AndroidOn 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Thanks Jim. This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: James McKane via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: James McKane Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario May you always Have Love to Share, Health to Spare, and Friends who Care..

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Elwyn Soutter

Sun, Feb 21, 2021 5:23 PM

I have come across some Orange Lodge records in PRONI. The few that I have seen have been very scant. Often financial notes about fees collected and the odd fine for non attendance etc. Dates of meetings. Some names but no townlands or other identifying information. Often years would pass with no records at all. Nothing in them that would really advance knowledge of your family much.

Elwyn
On Sunday, 21 February 2021, 16:21:40 GMT, J/S Grace via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Our family always surmised it was a connection to the Orange movement that resulted in two relatives having their given names as "Orange": Orange Hagan Boak (1867-1947) and Orange Elmer Emery (1855-1945). --Sandy -----Original Message-----
From: "ECardwell via CoTyroneList" [cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com]
Date: 02/21/2021 10:08 AM
To: "Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList" cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
CC: "Pat Hocker" pat.hocker@icloud.com, "ECardwell" ecardwell@btinternet.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, eland; List of Members 1784-1832

PatIt might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance.
It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records.
Best wishes
Evelyn Cardwell

Get BlueMail for AndroidOn 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat

On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Thanks Jim.

This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: James McKane via CoTyroneList
Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832

Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKaneKitchener, Ontario

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I have come across some Orange Lodge records in PRONI. The few that I have seen have been very scant. Often financial notes about fees collected and the odd fine for non attendance etc. Dates of meetings. Some names but no townlands or other identifying information. Often years would pass with no records at all. Nothing in them that would really advance knowledge of your family much. Elwyn On Sunday, 21 February 2021, 16:21:40 GMT, J/S Grace via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Our family always surmised it was a connection to the Orange movement that resulted in two relatives having their given names as "Orange": Orange Hagan Boak (1867-1947) and Orange Elmer Emery (1855-1945). --Sandy -----Original Message----- From: "ECardwell via CoTyroneList" [cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com] Date: 02/21/2021 10:08 AM To: "Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> CC: "Pat Hocker" <pat.hocker@icloud.com>, "ECardwell" <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, eland; List of Members 1784-1832 PatIt might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance. It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records. Best wishes Evelyn Cardwell Get BlueMail for AndroidOn 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Thanks Jim. This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: James McKane via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: James McKane Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKaneKitchener, Ontario May you always Have Love to Share, Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================

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Bonnie Jordan

Sun, Feb 21, 2021 7:52 PM

I found orange records in Bruce Ontario for my family that left Tyrone ...

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On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 9:24 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

I have come across some Orange Lodge records in PRONI. The few that I have seen have been very scant. Often financial notes about fees collected and the odd fine for non attendance etc. Dates of meetings. Some names but no townlands or other identifying information. Often years would pass with no records at all. Nothing in them that would really advance knowledge of your family much.

Elwyn
On Sunday, 21 February 2021, 16:21:40 GMT, J/S Grace via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Our family always surmised it was a connection to the Orange movement that resulted in two relatives having their given names as "Orange": Orange Hagan Boak (1867-1947) and Orange Elmer Emery (1855-1945). --Sandy -----Original Message-----
From: "ECardwell via CoTyroneList" [cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com]
Date: 02/21/2021 10:08 AM
To: "Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList" cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
CC: "Pat Hocker" pat.hocker@icloud.com, "ECardwell" ecardwell@btinternet.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, eland; List of Members 1784-1832

PatIt might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance.
It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records.
Best wishes
Evelyn Cardwell

Get BlueMail for AndroidOn 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat

On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Thanks Jim.

This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832

Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKaneKitchener, Ontario

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I found orange records in Bruce Ontario for my family that left Tyrone ... Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 9:24 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: I have come across some Orange Lodge records in PRONI. The few that I have seen have been very scant. Often financial notes about fees collected and the odd fine for non attendance etc. Dates of meetings. Some names but no townlands or other identifying information. Often years would pass with no records at all. Nothing in them that would really advance knowledge of your family much. Elwyn On Sunday, 21 February 2021, 16:21:40 GMT, J/S Grace via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Our family always surmised it was a connection to the Orange movement that resulted in two relatives having their given names as "Orange": Orange Hagan Boak (1867-1947) and Orange Elmer Emery (1855-1945). --Sandy -----Original Message----- From: "ECardwell via CoTyroneList" [cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com] Date: 02/21/2021 10:08 AM To: "Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> CC: "Pat Hocker" <pat.hocker@icloud.com>, "ECardwell" <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, eland; List of Members 1784-1832 PatIt might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance. It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records. Best wishes Evelyn Cardwell Get BlueMail for AndroidOn 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Thanks Jim. This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: James McKane via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: James McKane Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKaneKitchener, Ontario May you always Have Love to Share, Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================