Berkeleys and Barclays
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Some of Andrew Berkeley (Barclay and other spellings) and Jane Weir's
children were born in Ireland and some in Scotland. By 1901 the family
seems rooted in Ireland. On census records Andrew says he was born in
County Tyrone. I have not been able to find Andrew's parents. Potential
parents are William Berkeley and Sarah Bellis (married 1840) but I have no
proof.
I have been able to trace their other offspring, but Samuel remains a
mystery. I have this birth record and he appears on the 1901 Ireland census
with the family group. After that the trail is cold.
Has anyone here found a Samuel Berkeley/Barclay born October 19, 1882? Or
Andrew John Berkeley/Barclay born c. 1849?
Charlotte
Charlotte,
Samuel’s Scottish birth certificate in 1882 indicates his parents were married in New Jersey, USA, in June 1871. Have you tried to locate that marriage certificate, as it should tell you quite a bit more about the couple? (All their parents names etc). Otherwise you may just be guessing.
For others looking at this query, here’s the family in 1901:
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911
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Elwyn
On Monday, 26 April 2021, 00:04:48 BST, charlottegorley--- via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
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Some of Andrew Berkeley (Barclay and other spellings) and Jane Weir’s children were born in Ireland and some in Scotland. By 1901 the family seems rooted in Ireland. On census records Andrew says he was born in County Tyrone. I have not been able to find Andrew’s parents. Potential parents are William Berkeley and Sarah Bellis (married 1840) but I have no proof.
I have been able to trace their other offspring, but Samuel remains a mystery. I have this birth record and he appears on the 1901 Ireland census with the family group. After that the trail is cold.
Has anyone here found a Samuel Berkeley/Barclay born October 19, 1882? Or Andrew John Berkeley/Barclay born c. 1849?
Charlotte
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Elwyn,
Yes, I have explored that. I have the register from the church where they were married but the marriage was not recorded in the New Jersey State Archives. I paid for a search to be done there. The church did not record parents’ names of the bride and groom.
Andrew and Jane were indeed married in New Jersey in 1871. Four of Janes’ siblings also were married there. Andrew and Jane’s oldest child was born in New Jersey in 1872 but they were in Scotland in 1874 for their second daughter’s birth. Andrew was working at the Shotts Iron Works. Their youngest child was born in Cookstown in 1885.
Andrew gives his birthplace as Ireland on the 1881 and 1891 Scotland census and as County Tyrone on the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census.
Charlotte
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Cc: Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Berkeleys and Barclays
Charlotte,
Samuel’s Scottish birth certificate in 1882 indicates his parents were married in New Jersey, USA, in June 1871. Have you tried to locate that marriage certificate, as it should tell you quite a bit more about the couple? (All their parents names etc). Otherwise you may just be guessing.
For others looking at this query, here’s the family in 1901:
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Abingdon_Street/954162/
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911
National Archives
Elwyn
On Monday, 26 April 2021, 00:04:48 BST, charlottegorley--- via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > wrote:
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Some of Andrew Berkeley (Barclay and other spellings) and Jane Weir’s children were born in Ireland and some in Scotland. By 1901 the family seems rooted in Ireland. On census records Andrew says he was born in County Tyrone. I have not been able to find Andrew’s parents. Potential parents are William Berkeley and Sarah Bellis (married 1840) but I have no proof.
I have been able to trace their other offspring, but Samuel remains a mystery. I have this birth record and he appears on the 1901 Ireland census with the family group. After that the trail is cold.
Has anyone here found a Samuel Berkeley/Barclay born October 19, 1882? Or Andrew John Berkeley/Barclay born c. 1849?
Charlotte
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Charlotte,
OK. Another approach is to look up the birth of daughter Annie on 17.5.1885. Andrew was working as a laundry manager in Ballysudden in Co Tyrone then:
Ballysudden is in the parish of Derryloran which is around Cookstown.
I noticed another Barkeley = Weir marriage. John Barkeley of Duffless married Maria Jane Weir of Liscausy, both in the parish of Artrea. Sometimes you got 2 brothers marrying 2 sisters, or it might just be a coincidence. John’s father was named Alexander. Is that name that appears in your family?
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That family married in Cookstown Register Office but in 1901 were Church of Ireland:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Tullaghoge/Dufless/1730114/
Andrew & Jane’s births are before the start of statutory registration (1864) so you won’t get birth certificates for them. You would need to get a researcher to go through the various Presbyterian & Church of Ireland records in and around Cookstown to see if you can find Andrew’s likely baptism. That will involve a trip to PRONI (when it re-opens). Jane might also have been baptised Presbyterian but there’s always the possibility she was another denomination (eg Methodist or COI) and switched after marriage.
The Valuation Revision records on the PRONI site show John Barkley on plot 4 in Duffless, a 13 acre farm. There were other Barkley/Barclay families nearby.
So I would focus on the area around Cookstown, particularly the parishes of Derryloran & Artrea. You'll just have to hope there aren't too many Andrew B births around 1858.
Elwyn
On Monday, 26 April 2021, 02:52:37 BST, charlottegorley@gmail.com wrote:
Elwyn,
Yes, I have explored that. I have the register from the church where they were married but the marriage was not recorded in the New Jersey State Archives. I paid for a search to be done there. The church did not record parents’ names of the bride and groom.
Andrew and Jane were indeed married in New Jersey in 1871. Four of Janes’ siblings also were married there. Andrew and Jane’s oldest child was born in New Jersey in 1872 but they were in Scotland in 1874 for their second daughter’s birth. Andrew was working at the Shotts Iron Works. Their youngest child was born in Cookstown in 1885.
Andrew gives his birthplace as Ireland on the 1881 and 1891 Scotland census and as County Tyrone on the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census.
Charlotte
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Sent: April 25, 2021 5:02 PM
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Cc: Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Berkeleys and Barclays
Charlotte,
Samuel’s Scottish birth certificate in 1882 indicates his parents were married in New Jersey, USA, in June 1871. Have you tried to locate that marriage certificate, as it should tell you quite a bit more about the couple? (All their parents names etc). Otherwise you may just be guessing.
For others looking at this query, here’s the family in 1901:
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911
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| |
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911
National Archives
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|
|
Elwyn
On Monday, 26 April 2021, 00:04:48 BST, charlottegorley--- via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
If this is not allowed, please delete.
Some of Andrew Berkeley (Barclay and other spellings) and Jane Weir’s children were born in Ireland and some in Scotland. By 1901 the family seems rooted in Ireland. On census records Andrew says he was born in County Tyrone. I have not been able to find Andrew’s parents. Potential parents are William Berkeley and Sarah Bellis (married 1840) but I have no proof.
I have been able to trace their other offspring, but Samuel remains a mystery. I have this birth record and he appears on the 1901 Ireland census with the family group. After that the trail is cold.
Has anyone here found a Samuel Berkeley/Barclay born October 19, 1882? Or Andrew John Berkeley/Barclay born c. 1849?
Charlotte
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Thanks, Elwyn,
Some good suggestions to follow up on. I’ve used the Derryloran Parish Registers to glean what I can. https://web.archive.org/web/20200925062204/https://derryloran.com/ParishReg/index.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20200925062204/https:/derryloran.com/ParishReg/index.aspx
Annie’s birth record 1885 records Andrew as a foundry manager. He worked at the Shotts Iron Works and other mineral extraction sites.
Annie married John Drew Beattie in 1923. She died in 1971 and is buried in the Dundonald Cemetery in Belfast. It appears they had no children.
I have had a genealogist do some work on the Weir line. Jane is the daughter of Samuel Weir and Sarah Harvie. I haven’t seen the name Maria Jane in the records but will see if perhaps she is connected somehow.
Alexander doesn’t appear in the line. They seem to have used William, Andrew, Samuel quite a lot for sons.
I agree that Cookstown is the area to focus on. I’m wondering if Andrew’s father’s name was William but haven’t found any likely candidates yet.
Charlotte
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Charlotte,
OK. Another approach is to look up the birth of daughter Annie on 17.5.1885. Andrew was working as a laundry manager in Ballysudden in Co Tyrone then:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02651/1977358.pdf https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02651/1977358.pdf
Ballysudden is in the parish of Derryloran which is around Cookstown.
I noticed another Barkeley = Weir marriage. John Barkeley of Duffless married Maria Jane Weir of Liscausy, both in the parish of Artrea. Sometimes you got 2 brothers marrying 2 sisters, or it might just be a coincidence. John’s father was named Alexander. Is that name that appears in your family?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10848/5960855.pdf Irish Genealogy
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That family married in Cookstown Register Office but in 1901 were Church of Ireland:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Tullaghoge/Dufless/1730114/
Andrew & Jane’s births are before the start of statutory registration (1864) so you won’t get birth certificates for them. You would need to get a researcher to go through the various Presbyterian & Church of Ireland records in and around Cookstown to see if you can find Andrew’s likely baptism. That will involve a trip to PRONI (when it re-opens). Jane might also have been baptised Presbyterian but there’s always the possibility she was another denomination (eg Methodist or COI) and switched after marriage.
The Valuation Revision records on the PRONI site show John Barkley on plot 4 in Duffless, a 13 acre farm. There were other Barkley/Barclay families nearby.
So I would focus on the area around Cookstown, particularly the parishes of Derryloran & Artrea. You'll just have to hope there aren't too many Andrew B births around 1858.
Elwyn
On Monday, 26 April 2021, 02:52:37 BST, <charlottegorley@gmail.com mailto:charlottegorley@gmail.com > wrote:
Elwyn,
Yes, I have explored that. I have the register from the church where they were married but the marriage was not recorded in the New Jersey State Archives. I paid for a search to be done there. The church did not record parents’ names of the bride and groom.
Andrew and Jane were indeed married in New Jersey in 1871. Four of Janes’ siblings also were married there. Andrew and Jane’s oldest child was born in New Jersey in 1872 but they were in Scotland in 1874 for their second daughter’s birth. Andrew was working at the Shotts Iron Works. Their youngest child was born in Cookstown in 1885.
Andrew gives his birthplace as Ireland on the 1881 and 1891 Scotland census and as County Tyrone on the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census.
Charlotte
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Sent: April 25, 2021 5:02 PM
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Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk mailto:elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk >
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Berkeleys and Barclays
Charlotte,
Samuel’s Scottish birth certificate in 1882 indicates his parents were married in New Jersey, USA, in June 1871. Have you tried to locate that marriage certificate, as it should tell you quite a bit more about the couple? (All their parents names etc). Otherwise you may just be guessing.
For others looking at this query, here’s the family in 1901:
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Abingdon_Street/954162/
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911
National Archives
Elwyn
On Monday, 26 April 2021, 00:04:48 BST, charlottegorley--- via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > wrote:
If this is not allowed, please delete.
Some of Andrew Berkeley (Barclay and other spellings) and Jane Weir’s children were born in Ireland and some in Scotland. By 1901 the family seems rooted in Ireland. On census records Andrew says he was born in County Tyrone. I have not been able to find Andrew’s parents. Potential parents are William Berkeley and Sarah Bellis (married 1840) but I have no proof.
I have been able to trace their other offspring, but Samuel remains a mystery. I have this birth record and he appears on the 1901 Ireland census with the family group. After that the trail is cold.
Has anyone here found a Samuel Berkeley/Barclay born October 19, 1882? Or Andrew John Berkeley/Barclay born c. 1849?
Charlotte
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