Here's a link to some more information on the six Royal Schools in Ulster: https://www.historyireland.com/the-royal-schools-of-ulster/
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Thanks, Evelyn.
Tom
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On Jul 18, 2023, at 2:07 PM, ECardwell ecardwell@btinternet.com wrote:
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As far as I know it was to cater for the families who came over to settle, so that their children could receive a good secondary education. They were sometimes referred to as Free Schools but I think that didn't last very long. I don't know of any instances where exceptional students were sent over to settle, but in later years richer parents would send their sons to board there.
Dungannon Royal School still has a very active and successful boarding department, attracting students from all over the world, but especially south east Asia.
The income from the school lands provided support for the running and upkeep of the school in the past. School fees also helped.
Evelyn
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On 18 Jul 2023, at 16:58, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Evelyn, thanks for that.
So then I am curious to know if exceptional students from England/Scotland were planted there. Or maybe it was to attract families so their children could go to school there?
Tom
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On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
? Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting!
Pat
On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
I can?t answer Tom?s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.
If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson?s book: ?The Plantation of Ulster? or M. Perceval-Maxwell?s ?The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I? are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.
The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson?s definition is: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to ?undertake? the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.?
His definition of Servitor: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.?
Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.
The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantation s in Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn?t all come as part of the Planation (1610 ? 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.
In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary?s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native I rish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.
Elwyn
On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?. What does that mean?
Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA
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Hi.
Very interesting map, thank you!
Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?
I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.
Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?
What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?
How were they appointed?
Did they own the land?
Thank you,
Peggy, BC, Canada.
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Thanks for that, Les. Impressive!Tom
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Here's a link to some more information on the six Royal Schools in Ulster: https://www.historyireland.com/the-royal-schools-of-ulster/
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As far as I know it was to cater for the families who came over to settle, so that their children could receive a good secondary education. They were sometimes referred to as Free Schools but I think that didn't last very long. I don't know of any instances where exceptional students were sent over to settle, but in later years richer parents would send their sons to board there.
Dungannon Royal School still has a very active and successful boarding department, attracting students from all over the world, but especially south east Asia.
The income from the school lands provided support for the running and upkeep of the school in the past. School fees also helped.
Evelyn
On 18 Jul 2023, at 16:58, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Evelyn, thanks for that. So then I am curious to know if exceptional students from England/Scotland were planted there. Or maybe it was to attract families so their children could go to school there?
Tom
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? Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting!
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On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
I can?t answer Tom?s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.
If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson?s book: ?The Plantation of Ulster? or M. Perceval-Maxwell?s ?The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I? are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.
The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson?s definition is: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to ?undertake? the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.?
His definition of Servitor: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.?
Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.
The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantation s in Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn?t all come as part of the Planation (1610 ? 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.
In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary?s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native I rish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.
Elwyn
On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?. What does that mean?
Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA
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On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
? Hi.
Very interesting map, thank you!
Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?
I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.
Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?
What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?
How were they appointed?
Did they own the land?
Thank you,
Peggy, BC, Canada.
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Peggy,
You are going to have difficulty ascertaining your roots if you are unaware of the location of Unagh; it is not recorded in Townlands in Irelandhttps://www.townlands.ie/, but it is possible to find its location by a search for adjoining townlands; there is a reference to it at the top of the first image; it appears to be bisected by Lough Fea Road. The second image indicates its close proximity to Cookstown.
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Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Hi.
Very interesting map, thank you!
Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?
I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.
Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?
What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?
How were they appointed?
Did they own the land?
Thank you,
Peggy, BC, Canada.
On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610https://www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/images/land1610.png