I’m not sure if I missed the comments, What do you guys think Pol Espagaro and his recent misfortune. This last crash IMO was on Pol.

Spot on, Paul. Jack Ward Knoxville, TN, USA On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:52 AM Paulo Nascimento <pfnascimenton@gmail.com> wrote: > I’m not sure if I missed the comments, > What do you guys think Pol Espagaro and his recent misfortune. > This last crash IMO was on Pol. > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: jaxn51@gmail.com >

Pol the A**Hol* Erratic, overrode his skills, he literally looked like an amateur all over the track. This time he took out not only himself (no one cares if he crashes alone), but also the unlucky Oliveira—this guy can’t get a break! Can’t wait for this pol guy to get on the repsol Honda. It’ll be comedy. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:52 AM Paulo Nascimento <pfnascimenton@gmail.com> wrote: > I’m not sure if I missed the comments, > What do you guys think Pol Espagaro and his recent misfortune. > This last crash IMO was on Pol. > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

Wow. In this case it sure looked like Olivera lowsided into Pol, but now I’ll have to go back and watch it again (a few dozen times like I normally do). > On Aug 20, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > Pol the A**Hol* > > Erratic, overrode his skills, he literally looked like an amateur all over the track. This time he took out not only himself (no one cares if he crashes alone), but also the unlucky Oliveira—this guy can’t get a break! > Can’t wait for this pol guy to get on the repsol Honda. It’ll be

I thought so too from the broadcast feed but it appears that was just a trick of perspective - OLI was on the normal line (assuming, I guess, ESP slid off into the gravel...) tracking out to the white stripe at the exit of the turn. I am sure ESP could both see and hear that OLI was there, but wanted to keep the position despite his mistake. Same for me as last week with ZAR - ESP left the track and thus has the duty to ensure he rejoins safely. He didn't. I bet he doesn't next weekend either... Christian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:58 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow. In this case it sure looked like Olivera lowsided into Pol, but now > I’ll have to go back and watch it again (a few dozen times like I normally > do). > > > > > On Aug 20, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >  > > Pol the A**Hol* > > > > Erratic, overrode his skills, he literally looked like an amateur all > over the track. This time he took out not only himself (no one cares if he > crashes alone), but also the unlucky Oliveira—this guy can’t get a break! > > Can’t wait for this pol guy to get on the repsol Honda. It’ll be > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >

I'm not sure I can agree - look at this side by side view: https://twitter.com/tammygorali/status/1296001878627680261?s=20 Doesn't seem like Pol did anything different than other laps, and sure seems like Olivera came in deep and maybe even lowsided before any contact with Pol. Pags On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: > I thought so too from the broadcast feed but it appears that was just a > trick of perspective - OLI was on the normal line (assuming, I guess, ESP > slid off into the gravel...) tracking out to the white stripe at the exit > of the turn. > > I am sure ESP could both see and hear that OLI was there, but wanted to > keep the position despite his mistake. > > Same for me as last week with ZAR - ESP left the track and thus has the > duty to ensure he rejoins safely. He didn't. I bet he doesn't next weekend > either... > > > Christian > >

That was the broadcast feed. There's an overhead shot out there somewhere that shows OLI on a normal-looking line. Seems DORNA/FOM have pulled it from Youtube... Christian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 8:27 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure I can agree - look at this side by side view: > https://twitter.com/tammygorali/status/1296001878627680261?s=20 > > Doesn't seem like Pol did anything different than other laps, and sure > seems like Olivera came in deep and maybe even lowsided before any contact > with Pol. > > Pags > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: > >> I thought so too from the broadcast feed but it appears that was just a >> trick of perspective - OLI was on the normal line (assuming, I guess, ESP >> slid off into the gravel...) tracking out to the white stripe at the exit >> of the turn. >> >> I am sure ESP could both see and hear that OLI was there, but wanted to >> keep the position despite his mistake. >> >> Same for me as last week with ZAR - ESP left the track and thus has the >> duty to ensure he rejoins safely. He didn't. I bet he doesn't next weekend >> either... >> >> >> Christian >> >> > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >

That vid that pagsy posted is the only one I could find everywhere. Very tricky angle, it’s a 360° Gyro cam that can really trick perspective such as angles (which makes Oliveira look like the bad guy (mean angle). Those guys can hit a corner with shoulders on ground, doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a crashing..). Pol said Himself he went wide and had nowhere to go, but to pull back in line. That line was Oliveira’s trajectory when he entered the corner. Both went wide, but Pol had to correct his mistake and both riders occupied the same line. He’s still a D!ck. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:45 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: > That was the broadcast feed. There's an overhead shot out there somewhere > that shows OLI on a normal-looking line. Seems DORNA/FOM have pulled it > from Youtube... > > > Christian > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 8:27 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm not sure I can agree - look at this side by side view: >> https://twitter.com/tammygorali/status/1296001878627680261?s=20 >> >> Doesn't seem like Pol did anything different than other laps, and sure >> seems like Olivera came in deep and maybe even lowsided before any contact >> with Pol. >> >> Pags >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: >> >>> I thought so too from the broadcast feed but it appears that was just a >>> trick of perspective - OLI was on the normal line (assuming, I guess, ESP >>> slid off into the gravel...) tracking out to the white stripe at the exit >>> of the turn. >>> >>> I am sure ESP could both see and hear that OLI was there, but wanted to >>> keep the position despite his mistake. >>> >>> Same for me as last week with ZAR - ESP left the track and thus has the >>> duty to ensure he rejoins safely. He didn't. I bet he doesn't next weekend >>> either... >>> >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

Come on, Lan. How do you really feel about ESP? On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 07:08 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > That vid that pagsy posted is the only one I could find everywhere. Very > tricky angle, it’s a 360° Gyro cam that can really trick perspective such > as angles (which makes Oliveira look like the bad guy (mean angle). Those > guys can hit a corner with shoulders on ground, doesn’t necessarily mean > they’re a crashing..). > > Pol said Himself he went wide and had nowhere to go, but to pull back in > line. That line was Oliveira’s trajectory when he entered the corner. Both > went wide, but Pol had to correct his mistake and both riders occupied the > same line. He’s still a D!ck. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:45 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: > >> That was the broadcast feed. There's an overhead shot out there somewhere >> that shows OLI on a normal-looking line. Seems DORNA/FOM have pulled it >> from Youtube... >> >> >> Christian >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 8:27 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure I can agree - look at this side by side view: >>> https://twitter.com/tammygorali/status/1296001878627680261?s=20 >>> >>> Doesn't seem like Pol did anything different than other laps, and sure >>> seems like Olivera came in deep and maybe even lowsided before any contact >>> with Pol. >>> >>> Pags >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I thought so too from the broadcast feed but it appears that was just a >>>> trick of perspective - OLI was on the normal line (assuming, I guess, ESP >>>> slid off into the gravel...) tracking out to the white stripe at the exit >>>> of the turn. >>>> >>>> I am sure ESP could both see and hear that OLI was there, but wanted to >>>> keep the position despite his mistake. >>>> >>>> Same for me as last week with ZAR - ESP left the track and thus has the >>>> duty to ensure he rejoins safely. He didn't. I bet he doesn't next weekend >>>> either... >>>> >>>> >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list >>> Ducati@list.ducati.net >>> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com >> > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com >

He’s my favorite. Can’t wait to see him in the Repsol box! On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > Come on, Lan. How do you really feel about ESP? > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 07:08 Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That vid that pagsy posted is the only one I could find everywhere. Very >> tricky angle, it’s a 360° Gyro cam that can really trick perspective such >> as angles (which makes Oliveira look like the bad guy (mean angle). Those >> guys can hit a corner with shoulders on ground, doesn’t necessarily mean >> they’re a crashing..). >> >> Pol said Himself he went wide and had nowhere to go, but to pull back in >> line. That line was Oliveira’s trajectory when he entered the corner. Both >> went wide, but Pol had to correct his mistake and both riders occupied the >> same line. He’s still a D!ck. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:45 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: >> >>> That was the broadcast feed. There's an overhead shot out there >>> somewhere that shows OLI on a normal-looking line. Seems DORNA/FOM have >>> pulled it from Youtube... >>> >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 8:27 AM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure I can agree - look at this side by side view: >>>> https://twitter.com/tammygorali/status/1296001878627680261?s=20 >>>> >>>> Doesn't seem like Pol did anything different than other laps, and sure >>>> seems like Olivera came in deep and maybe even lowsided before any contact >>>> with Pol. >>>> >>>> Pags >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I thought so too from the broadcast feed but it appears that was just >>>>> a trick of perspective - OLI was on the normal line (assuming, I guess, ESP >>>>> slid off into the gravel...) tracking out to the white stripe at the exit >>>>> of the turn. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure ESP could both see and hear that OLI was there, but wanted >>>>> to keep the position despite his mistake. >>>>> >>>>> Same for me as last week with ZAR - ESP left the track and thus has >>>>> the duty to ensure he rejoins safely. He didn't. I bet he doesn't next >>>>> weekend either... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>> and >>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>> _____________________ >>>> Ducati mailing list >>>> Ducati@list.ducati.net >>>> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >>>> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> >> -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #