Fwd: Re: NDC: LiveWire Demo

T
TPB
Sat, Oct 31, 2020 5:49 PM

I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has
been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from having to get used
to the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the
feel and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing. 
Unfortunately  the older Zeros had really crappy weight distribution,
poor handling and I can't even describe the quality of the Chinese
components (brakes, suspension etc.).

Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in
the process of installing an electric powertrain. Unfortunately I am not
using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the
eventual package should be a lot of fun.  The motors are in and I am
installing the battery this weekend so should have a test run in the
next week or 2!

Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about
it.  PM me if you would like to hear more about it.

Stuart

On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote:

I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately  the older Zeros had really crappy weight distribution, poor handling and I can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, suspension etc.). Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain. Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2! Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it.  PM me if you would like to hear more about it. Stuart On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote: > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com
VS
Vicki Smith
Sat, Oct 31, 2020 5:54 PM

No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes...
Vicki

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com wrote:

I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has
been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from having to get used to
the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel
and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately
the older Zeros had really crappy  weight distribution, poor handling and I
can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes,
suspension etc.).

Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in
the process of installing an electric powertrain.  Unfortunately I am not
using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual
package should be a lot of fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the
battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2!

Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it.
PM me if you would like to hear more about it.

Stuart
On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote:

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No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes... Vicki On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com> wrote: > I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has > been a proper love / hate relationship. Apart from having to get used to > the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel > and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing. Unfortunately > the older Zeros had really crappy weight distribution, poor handling and I > can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, > suspension etc.). > > Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in > the process of installing an electric powertrain. Unfortunately I am not > using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual > package should be a lot of fun. The motors are in and I am installing the > battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2! > > Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it. > PM me if you would like to hear more about it. > > Stuart > On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote: > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:http://www.ductalk.com/ > andhttps://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing listDucati@list.ducati.nethttp://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com >
KK
Kevin Kachadourian
Sun, Nov 1, 2020 3:28 AM

Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike Carbon,
and here's a report.

The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not a
problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of gravity
feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not pulled off the
body work to look at the guts yet.
As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun runs
on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and some new
twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far:

  • power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the
    shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, except, between
    the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins suspension, it feels more like
  1. All the power, all the time. I've had the bike back to Lightning a
    couple of times and each time, Richard adjusts the software, so the
    throttle response is just about where I want it.
  • sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly (and,
    believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi spaghetti system).
    I wonder if the lack of sound makes the sensation of acceleration even more
    intense. My fantasy is to sign up for two track days with Keith Code, one
    on their BMW S1000R and one on the Strike. I think that would be a good
    comparison.
  • handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to about
    1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta work on those
    right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One thing that takes getting
    used to is the difference in engine braking. The Duck has some decent
    engine braking, but the Strike, with it's regenerative braking, has a lot.
    So, closed throttle is like trail braking, and you've got to crack the
    throttle a bit to get "neutral" throttle.
  • It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure I
    had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a bend. When
    I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit harder in the bend, the
    resistance went away. Nice.
  • Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one has
    while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan Leaf), I have
    discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride and battery running a
    bit low, I was following my friend east of Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now
    his 900 SS) and decided to drop back some so I could pull the throttle to
    catch up with speed. When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I
    coasted to the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back
    on, and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to protect
    the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the computer thinks the
    battery has, or can give without damage, it just turns it off. I see this
    as a dual challenge: I need to learn better about where it's at with regard
    to battery capacity, and Richard needs to work on the software, to give
    warnings, and dial down motor power to avoid total loss (something I
    believe he is already doing).
  • In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my junkyard
    cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 Suzuki GS450, '83
    Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still have this one), and the
    highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I have no interest in going back to
    ICE motorcycles. This doesn't mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for
    Ducati (though lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no
    longer see myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh.

Sorry if this was a long post.
Kevin

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith Vicki@ducati.net wrote:

No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes...
Vicki

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com wrote:

I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has
been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from having to get used to
the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel
and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately
the older Zeros had really crappy  weight distribution, poor handling and I
can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes,
suspension etc.).

Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in
the process of installing an electric powertrain.  Unfortunately I am not
using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual
package should be a lot of fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the
battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2!

Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it.
PM me if you would like to hear more about it.

Stuart
On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote:

To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:http://www.ductalk.com/
andhttps://www.facebook.com/ducnet


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Mailto: theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com

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http://www.ductalk.com/
and
https://www.facebook.com/ducnet


Ducati mailing list
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Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com

Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike Carbon, and here's a report. The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet. As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far: - power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time. I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is just about where I want it. - sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison. - handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike, with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to get "neutral" throttle. - It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice. - Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed. When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on, and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is already doing). - In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh. Sorry if this was a long post. Kevin On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes... > Vicki > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has >> been a proper love / hate relationship. Apart from having to get used to >> the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel >> and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing. Unfortunately >> the older Zeros had really crappy weight distribution, poor handling and I >> can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, >> suspension etc.). >> >> Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in >> the process of installing an electric powertrain. Unfortunately I am not >> using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual >> package should be a lot of fun. The motors are in and I am installing the >> battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2! >> >> Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it. >> PM me if you would like to hear more about it. >> >> Stuart >> On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote: >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:http://www.ductalk.com/ >> andhttps://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing listDucati@list.ducati.nethttp://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com >
T
TPB
Sun, Nov 1, 2020 11:19 AM

Hi Kevin, congrats on the bike.  2 comments that may help...

The regen braking must be adjustable.  There should be a pot somewhere
that can  tune the level of engine braking you like.  Of course if you
turn it down, there will be less regen effect but that's the trade-off. 
It is possible to integrate progressive regen braking with the rear
brake pedal but I guess Lightning hasn't done that.

The battery shutting down issue can be caused by the BMS detecting that
one cell voltage has dropped below the set minimum even though overall
battery voltage is still within the limits. Often the BMS has a
bluetooth link so you can see on your phone if one cell is being pulled
down faster than the others.  If there is more than 0.5V difference on
the lowest cell, you could have a bad cell or cell group, so maybe its
something to chat to the dealer about.

Enjoy the bike, I'm jealous.

Stuart

On 10/31/20 11:28 PM, Kevin Kachadourian wrote:

Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike
Carbon, and here's a report.

The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not
a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of
gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not
pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet.
As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun
runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and
some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far:

  • power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the
    shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph,
    except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins
    suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time.
    I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each
    time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is
    just about where I want it.
  • sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly
    (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi
    spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the
    sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign
    up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and
    one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison.
  • handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to
    about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta
    work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One
    thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine
    braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike,
    with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is
    like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to
    get "neutral" throttle.
  • It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure
    I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a
    bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit
    harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice.
  • Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one
    has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan
    Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride
    and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of
    Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop
    back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed.
    When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to
    the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on,
    and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to
    protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the
    computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it
    just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn
    better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and
    Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial
    down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is
    already doing).
  • In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my
    junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85
    Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still
    have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I
    have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't
    mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though
    lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see
    myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh.

Sorry if this was a long post.
Kevin

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net
mailto:Vicki@ducati.net> wrote:

 No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes...
 Vicki

 On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com
 <mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com>> wrote:

     I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter
     and it has been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from
     having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the
     throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric
     (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately  the older Zeros
     had really crappy  weight distribution, poor handling and I
     can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components
     (brakes, suspension etc.).

     Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about
     so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain. 
     Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build
     to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of
     fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the battery this
     weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2!

     Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited
     about it.  PM me if you would like to hear more about it.

     Stuart

     On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote:
     To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:
     http://www.ductalk.com/
     and
     https://www.facebook.com/ducnet
     _____________________
     Ducati mailing list
     Ducati@list.ducati.net  <mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net>
     http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net
     Mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com  <mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com>
     To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news:
     http://www.ductalk.com/
     and
     https://www.facebook.com/ducnet
     _____________________
     Ducati mailing list
     Ducati@list.ducati.net <mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net>
     http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net
     Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com <mailto:veloce916@gmail.com>





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Hi Kevin, congrats on the bike.  2 comments that may help... The regen braking must be adjustable.  There should be a pot somewhere that can  tune the level of engine braking you like.  Of course if you turn it down, there will be less regen effect but that's the trade-off.  It is possible to integrate progressive regen braking with the rear brake pedal but I guess Lightning hasn't done that. The battery shutting down issue can be caused by the BMS detecting that one cell voltage has dropped below the set minimum even though overall battery voltage is still within the limits. Often the BMS has a bluetooth link so you can see on your phone if one cell is being pulled down faster than the others.  If there is more than 0.5V difference on the lowest cell, you could have a bad cell or cell group, so maybe its something to chat to the dealer about. Enjoy the bike, I'm jealous. Stuart On 10/31/20 11:28 PM, Kevin Kachadourian wrote: > Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike > Carbon, and here's a report. > > The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not > a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of > gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not > pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet. > As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun > runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and > some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far: > > * power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the > shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, > except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins > suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time. > I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each > time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is > just about where I want it. > * sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly > (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi > spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the > sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign > up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and > one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison. > * handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to > about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta > work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One > thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine > braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike, > with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is > like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to > get "neutral" throttle. > * It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure > I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a > bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit > harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice. > * Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one > has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan > Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride > and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of > Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop > back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed. > When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to > the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on, > and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to > protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the > computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it > just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn > better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and > Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial > down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is > already doing). > * In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my > junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 > Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still > have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I > have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't > mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though > lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see > myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh. > > Sorry if this was a long post. > Kevin > > On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net > <mailto:Vicki@ducati.net>> wrote: > > No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes... > Vicki > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com > <mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter > and it has been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from > having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the > throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric > (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately  the older Zeros > had really crappy  weight distribution, poor handling and I > can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components > (brakes, suspension etc.). > > Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about > so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain.  > Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build > to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of > fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the battery this > weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2! > > Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited > about it.  PM me if you would like to hear more about it. > > Stuart > > On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote: >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net <mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net> >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com <mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net <mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net> > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com <mailto:veloce916@gmail.com> > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net <mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net> > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com <mailto:kkachadourian@gmail.com> > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com
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stephen abramson
Sun, Nov 1, 2020 1:54 PM

Congrats to both of these electrifying stories, both the build and the buy. I’m all charged up to hear more about both bikes. You both must be amped up with these new experiences. Have fun and stay safe!

STeve

On 10/31/20 11:28 PM, Kevin Kachadourian wrote:

Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike Carbon, and here's a report.

The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet.
As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far:
power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time. I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is just about where I want it.
sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison.
handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike, with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to get "neutral" throttle.
It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice.
Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed. When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on, and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is already doing).
In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh.
Sorry if this was a long post.
Kevin

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net mailto:Vicki@ducati.net> wrote:
No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes...
Vicki

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com> wrote:
I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately  the older Zeros had really crappy  weight distribution, poor handling and I can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, suspension etc.).
Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain.  Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2!

Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it.  PM me if you would like to hear more about it.

Stuart

On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote:

> Congrats to both of these electrifying stories, both the build and the buy. I’m all charged up to hear more about both bikes. You both must be amped up with these new experiences. Have fun and stay safe! STeve > On 10/31/20 11:28 PM, Kevin Kachadourian wrote: >> Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike Carbon, and here's a report. >> >> The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet. >> As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far: >> power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time. I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is just about where I want it. >> sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison. >> handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike, with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to get "neutral" throttle. >> It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice. >> Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed. When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on, and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is already doing). >> In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh. >> Sorry if this was a long post. >> Kevin >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net <mailto:Vicki@ducati.net>> wrote: >> No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes... >> Vicki >> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com <mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has been a proper love / hate relationship. Apart from having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing. Unfortunately the older Zeros had really crappy weight distribution, poor handling and I can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, suspension etc.). >> Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain. Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of fun. The motors are in and I am installing the battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2! >> >> Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it. PM me if you would like to hear more about it. >> >> Stuart >> >> On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote:
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Mario Baroz
Mon, Nov 2, 2020 12:48 PM

Very nice review! Thanks Kevin!

Mario


From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:28 PM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Fwd: Re: NDC: LiveWire Demo

Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike Carbon, and here's a report.

The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet.
As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far:

  • power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time. I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is just about where I want it.
  • sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison.
  • handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike, with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to get "neutral" throttle.
  • It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice.
  • Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed. When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on, and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is already doing).
  • In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh.

Sorry if this was a long post.
Kevin

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.netmailto:Vicki@ducati.net> wrote:
No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes...
Vicki

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.commailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com> wrote:
I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has been a proper love / hate relationship.  Apart from having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing.  Unfortunately  the older Zeros had really crappy  weight distribution, poor handling and I can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, suspension etc.).

Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain.  Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of fun.  The motors are in and I am installing the battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2!

Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it.  PM me if you would like to hear more about it.

Stuart

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Very nice review! Thanks Kevin! Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:28 PM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] Fwd: Re: NDC: LiveWire Demo Well, I just recently took the plunge and bought a LIghtning Strike Carbon, and here's a report. The bike feels heavy after my '96 900 SSSP, but once moving, it is not a problem. What feels more odd about the weight is the center of gravity feels higher, which I attribute to the batteries. I have not pulled off the body work to look at the guts yet. As far as performance, so far so good. No track days yet, but some fun runs on familiar twisties here on the east side of the SF Bay, and some new twisties in the foothills east of Fresno, CA. My thoughts so far: * power: f**k! I still don't think I've gone WOT yet. Forget the shifting, just twist the throttle, now you're going 90 mph, except, between the quiet motor, no exhaust sound and Ohlins suspension, it feels more like 65. All the power, all the time. I've had the bike back to Lightning a couple of times and each time, Richard adjusts the software, so the throttle response is just about where I want it. * sound. I stopped missing the sound of the exhaust pretty quickly (and, believe me, I love the sound of the Duck and that Termi spaghetti system). I wonder if the lack of sound makes the sensation of acceleration even more intense. My fantasy is to sign up for two track days with Keith Code, one on their BMW S1000R and one on the Strike. I think that would be a good comparison. * handling. So far so good. I've got the chicken strips down to about 1/4-1/2 inch on the left and a bit more on the right (gotta work on those right hand bends), so I'm working it a bit. One thing that takes getting used to is the difference in engine braking. The Duck has some decent engine braking, but the Strike, with it's regenerative braking, has a lot. So, closed throttle is like trail braking, and you've got to crack the throttle a bit to get "neutral" throttle. * It wants to go fast. I was troubled at first by how much pressure I had to maintain on the inside handlebar to stay on my line in a bend. When I started going in a bit faster and driving a bit harder in the bend, the resistance went away. Nice. * Battery oddities. In addition to the usual range worry that one has while learning the bike (I went through this with my Nissan Leaf), I have discovered one other oddity. Near the end of a ride and battery running a bit low, I was following my friend east of Fresno (he was on my 900 SS, now his 900 SS) and decided to drop back some so I could pull the throttle to catch up with speed. When I whacked open the throttle, the motor cut out. I coasted to the side, turned the bike off, waited a minute, turned it back on, and everything was fine. Seems the computer has programming to protect the battery, so when you ask for more juice than the computer thinks the battery has, or can give without damage, it just turns it off. I see this as a dual challenge: I need to learn better about where it's at with regard to battery capacity, and Richard needs to work on the software, to give warnings, and dial down motor power to avoid total loss (something I believe he is already doing). * In the end. I'm hooked. Yea, I loved my previous bikes: my junkyard cannibalized Honda 125 (first bike), Honda '73 CB350, '85 Suzuki GS450, '83 Interceptor 750, '85 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (still have this one), and the highly modified '96 Duck 900SSSP. But, I have no interest in going back to ICE motorcycles. This doesn't mean I don't still watch MotoGP and root for Ducati (though lately, it's been kind of hard). It just means I can no longer see myself on an ICE bike. Whooosh. Sorry if this was a long post. Kevin On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 10:55, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net<mailto:Vicki@ducati.net>> wrote: No worries for the thread hijack. I’m interested in how this goes... Vicki On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:49 PM TPB <theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com<mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com>> wrote: I bought an older Zero a few years back to use as a commuter and it has been a proper love / hate relationship. Apart from having to get used to the weird feeling of just twisting the throttle and moving off, the feel and convenience of electric (for short trips) is amazing. Unfortunately the older Zeros had really crappy weight distribution, poor handling and I can't even describe the quality of the Chinese components (brakes, suspension etc.). Anyway, I just happened to have a spare Aprilia RS lying about so am in the process of installing an electric powertrain. Unfortunately I am not using cutting edge tech for the build to keep costs down but the eventual package should be a lot of fun. The motors are in and I am installing the battery this weekend so should have a test run in the next week or 2! Sorry to hijack the Duc thread for this but I'm pretty excited about it. PM me if you would like to hear more about it. Stuart On 10/30/20 6:01 PM, Brian Adrian wrote: To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net<mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com<mailto:theplentifulbrowns@gmail.com> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net<mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com<mailto:veloce916@gmail.com> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net<mailto:Ducati@list.ducati.net> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com<mailto:kkachadourian@gmail.com>