94 900ss stuck in 2nd gear?

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ducdude
Fri, Apr 15, 2022 8:44 PM

Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when retracted.  The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced with a stuck shifter.

Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position  as far as were to look or what to try to fix this particular issue.

Many Thanks,
Eric
94 900SS

Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when retracted. The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced with a stuck shifter. Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position as far as were to look or what to try to fix this particular issue. Many Thanks, Eric 94 900SS
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Rich Roberts
Fri, Apr 15, 2022 9:13 PM

Hmm my initial suspect would be clutch basket or hub. They bitch easy enough and if plates get hung up on notches clutch can not release and you will have issues shifting. Take cover off and pressure plate and look at those parts. Problem is basket is one thing, hub a bit more to get off but these parts wear out and after changing plates so many times basket and hub should be changed as well. Might be something else but unless you know the condition of those parts would look there first.
Rich

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On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude ducdude@verizon.net wrote:


Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when retracted.  The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced with a stuck shifter.

Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position  as far as were to look or what to try to fix this particular issue.

Many Thanks,
Eric
94 900SS

Hmm my initial suspect would be clutch basket or hub. They bitch easy enough and if plates get hung up on notches clutch can not release and you will have issues shifting. Take cover off and pressure plate and look at those parts. Problem is basket is one thing, hub a bit more to get off but these parts wear out and after changing plates so many times basket and hub should be changed as well. Might be something else but unless you know the condition of those parts would look there first. Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude <ducdude@verizon.net> wrote: > >  > Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when retracted. The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced with a stuck shifter. > > Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position as far as were to look or what to try to fix this particular issue. > > Many Thanks, > Eric > 94 900SS
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James Calandro
Fri, Apr 15, 2022 9:50 PM

There is a coil spring around the shift mechanism that can break or loose
it's tension over the years that can cause this.  It keeps the two levers
that rotate the drum in contact.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 5:15 PM Rich Roberts rossaduc@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm my initial suspect would be clutch basket or hub. They bitch easy
enough and if plates get hung up on notches clutch can not release and you
will have issues shifting. Take cover off and pressure plate and look at
those parts. Problem is basket is one thing, hub a bit more to get off but
these parts wear out and after changing plates so many times basket and hub
should be changed as well. Might be something else but unless you know the
condition of those parts would look there first.
Rich

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On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude ducdude@verizon.net wrote:


Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got
into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the
shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when
retracted.  The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced
with a stuck shifter.

Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position  as far as were to
look or what to try to fix this particular issue.

Many Thanks,
Eric
94 900SS

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There is a coil spring around the shift mechanism that can break or loose it's tension over the years that can cause this. It keeps the two levers that rotate the drum in contact. On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 5:15 PM Rich Roberts <rossaduc@gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm my initial suspect would be clutch basket or hub. They bitch easy > enough and if plates get hung up on notches clutch can not release and you > will have issues shifting. Take cover off and pressure plate and look at > those parts. Problem is basket is one thing, hub a bit more to get off but > these parts wear out and after changing plates so many times basket and hub > should be changed as well. Might be something else but unless you know the > condition of those parts would look there first. > Rich > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude <ducdude@verizon.net> wrote: > >  > Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got > into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the > shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when > retracted. The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced > with a stuck shifter. > > Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position as far as were to > look or what to try to fix this particular issue. > > Many Thanks, > Eric > 94 900SS > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s
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karlb851@optonline.net
Sat, Apr 16, 2022 3:02 AM

You need to pull the alternator cover and examine the gearbox drum control fork which pivots off the gearshift arm and spindle. There is a small spring that gives tension to the control fork. This spring can fail.

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On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude ducdude@verizon.net wrote:


Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when retracted.  The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced with a stuck shifter.

Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position  as far as were to look or what to try to fix this particular issue.

Many Thanks,
Eric
94 900SS

You need to pull the alternator cover and examine the gearbox drum control fork which pivots off the gearshift arm and spindle. There is a small spring that gives tension to the control fork. This spring can fail. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude <ducdude@verizon.net> wrote: > >  > Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when retracted. The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced with a stuck shifter. > > Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position as far as were to look or what to try to fix this particular issue. > > Many Thanks, > Eric > 94 900SS
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Scott Cloninger
Fri, Apr 29, 2022 9:26 PM

Eric,

Pull the left side cover (drain the oil, pull the slave cylinder and rod,
be prepared to hang the cover by a bungee or something unless you wan to
disconnect all the wiring, have a puller to break the cover loose.....and
remember to get ALL the screws....the short one by the slave cylinder is
easy to miss....so if the puller takes "too much effort" make sure you have
pulled all the screws) and figure out if the return spring is broken, or if
the shifter mechanism just came loose and is out of adjustment.  You'll
have to pull the cover either way.  Odds are the spring broke.

It's inexpensive and easy to repair.  A search for Ducati Shifter Return
Spring will likely result in several video and website hits (like this:  Ducati
Gearbox Problems, Broken Shift Return Spring or Fork Return Spring EN / DE
Subtitles - Bing video
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ducati+shifter+selector+spring+replacement&qpvt=ducati+shifter+selector+spring+replacement&view=detail&mid=27B7DE808BBD4274726E27B7DE808BBD4274726E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dducati%2Bshifter%2Bselector%2Bspring%2Breplacement%26qpvt%3Dducati%2Bshifter%2Bselector%2Bspring%2Breplacement%26FORM%3DVDRE).
There is no gasket, so clean everything well and use Yamabond or similar
(Ducati offers their own version, too) to seal the cover on reassembly.
The manual recommends a special tool for aligning the fork to the drum, but
a careful eye can align the mark on the fork to the centerline of the drum
and test function while everything is apart to ensure proper function.  If
you have a spring in hand the whole thing should take any decent mechanic
less than an hour, so count on two hours for your first time.

Scott Cloninger
Motopia NM
Triumph, Royal Enfield, Beta
Home of Desert Desmo LLC
505.238.0323

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 9:22 AM karlb851@optonline.net wrote:

You need to pull the alternator cover and examine the gearbox drum control
fork which pivots off the gearshift arm and spindle. There is a small
spring that gives tension to the control fork. This spring can fail.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude ducdude@verizon.net wrote:


Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got
into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the
shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when
retracted.  The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced
with a stuck shifter.

Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position  as far as were to
look or what to try to fix this particular issue.

Many Thanks,
Eric
94 900SS

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Eric, Pull the left side cover (drain the oil, pull the slave cylinder and rod, be prepared to hang the cover by a bungee or something unless you wan to disconnect all the wiring, have a puller to break the cover loose.....and remember to get ALL the screws....the short one by the slave cylinder is easy to miss....so if the puller takes "too much effort" make sure you have pulled all the screws) and figure out if the return spring is broken, or if the shifter mechanism just came loose and is out of adjustment. You'll have to pull the cover either way. Odds are the spring broke. It's inexpensive and easy to repair. A search for Ducati Shifter Return Spring will likely result in several video and website hits (like this: Ducati Gearbox Problems, Broken Shift Return Spring or Fork Return Spring EN / DE Subtitles - Bing video <https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ducati+shifter+selector+spring+replacement&qpvt=ducati+shifter+selector+spring+replacement&view=detail&mid=27B7DE808BBD4274726E27B7DE808BBD4274726E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dducati%2Bshifter%2Bselector%2Bspring%2Breplacement%26qpvt%3Dducati%2Bshifter%2Bselector%2Bspring%2Breplacement%26FORM%3DVDRE>). There is no gasket, so clean everything well and use Yamabond or similar (Ducati offers their own version, too) to seal the cover on reassembly. The manual recommends a special tool for aligning the fork to the drum, but a careful eye can align the mark on the fork to the centerline of the drum and test function while everything is apart to ensure proper function. If you have a spring in hand the whole thing should take any decent mechanic less than an hour, so count on two hours for your first time. Scott Cloninger Motopia NM Triumph, Royal Enfield, Beta Home of Desert Desmo LLC 505.238.0323 On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 9:22 AM <karlb851@optonline.net> wrote: > You need to pull the alternator cover and examine the gearbox drum control > fork which pivots off the gearshift arm and spindle. There is a small > spring that gives tension to the control fork. This spring can fail. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:44 PM, ducdude <ducdude@verizon.net> wrote: > >  > Riding home today coming off the highway downshifting as I slow down I got > into 2nd and tried for 1st but the shifter would not move. The angle of the > shifter was past the 1st position and almost fowling the kick stand when > retracted. The bike ran fine in 2nd and I made it home but now I am faced > with a stuck shifter. > > Any one care to point me in a good diagnostic position as far as were to > look or what to try to fix this particular issue. > > Many Thanks, > Eric > 94 900SS > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s