Hello Gordon and Listers, That is indeed a heartbreaking tale of the loss of a family member on their crossing from Ireland to Scotland that would have repercussions for several generations. I would like to draw readers to an interesting publication that looks at the movement of population between Scotland and Ireland which should be interesting in the context of current discussion: The publication goes by the title “THE NARROW SEA” compiled by the late remarkable and prolific Ulster historian, Jonathan Bardon (died Belfast, April 2020) contributed to “FAMILIA”, Ulster Genealogical Review, No. 35, 2019 (page 97) (Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast) “In addition to those Irish who settled permanently in Scotland, great numbers crossed the north channel annually as migrant workers, returning to Ireland at the end of each season. They travelled principally as harvesters from the 1830s onwards, their numbers increasing as cross channel fares fell. The “Scotsman” on 11 August 1846 reported that in the preceding week from Belfast via Ardrossan and from Belfast and Derry direct to the Bronielaw upwards of 14,000 Irish reapers equipped with sickles had arrived in Glasgow. The vessels transporting them were often alarmingly overcrowded. The “Scottish Guardian” observed in August 1849: The “Londonderry” brought over from Ireland the extraordinary number of 1,700 human beings at one trip, but a more incredible fact was noticed on Friday when the “Thistle” steamer arrived at Greenock from Londonderry with upwards of 1,900 deck passengers……the poor creatures filled every corner from stem to stem, clustering around the bulwarks as thick as bees………….. In 1851, a veritable army of 12,000 !rish reapers were employed accompanied by women and children at least to another 1,000………. I hope this brief extract is interesting and adds to our understanding of the lives of our forebears Regards, LEN SWINDLEY, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

Hi Gordon, I am so sorry to hear about a member of your family. Cheryl On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 6:06 pm Len Swindley via CoTyroneList, < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Hello Gordon and Listers, > > > > That is indeed a heartbreaking tale of the loss of a family member on > their crossing from Ireland to Scotland that would have repercussions for > several generations. > > > > I would like to draw readers to an interesting publication that looks at > the movement of population between Scotland and Ireland which should be > interesting in the context of current discussion: > > > > The publication goes by the title “THE NARROW SEA” compiled by the late > remarkable and prolific Ulster historian, Jonathan Bardon (died Belfast, > April 2020) contributed to “FAMILIA”, Ulster Genealogical Review, No. 35, > 2019 (page 97) (Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast) > > > > “In addition to those Irish who settled permanently in Scotland, great > numbers crossed the north channel annually as migrant workers, returning to > Ireland at the end of each season. They travelled principally as harvesters > from the 1830s onwards, their numbers increasing as cross channel fares > fell. The “Scotsman” on 11 August 1846 reported that in the preceding week > from Belfast via Ardrossan and from Belfast and Derry direct to the > Bronielaw upwards of 14,000 Irish reapers equipped with sickles had arrived > in Glasgow. The vessels transporting them were often alarmingly overcrowded. > > The “Scottish Guardian” observed in August 1849: > > The “Londonderry” brought over from Ireland the extraordinary number of > 1,700 human beings at one trip, but a more incredible fact was noticed on > Friday when the “Thistle” steamer arrived at Greenock from Londonderry with > upwards of 1,900 deck passengers……the poor creatures filled every corner > from stem to stem, clustering around the bulwarks as thick as bees………….. > > > > In 1851, a veritable army of 12,000 !rish reapers were employed > accompanied by women and children at least to another 1,000………. > > > > I hope this brief extract is interesting and adds to our understanding of > the lives of our forebears > > > > Regards, LEN SWINDLEY, Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

Thank you for that information Len. Will try to follow this up as it is a fairly recent publication from UHF. Shirley in OZ From: Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com] Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2021 6:20 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Cheryl Humphreys Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Seasonal Harvest Migration between Ireland and Scotland Hi Gordon, I am so sorry to hear about a member of your family. Cheryl On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 6:06 pm Len Swindley via CoTyroneList, <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Hello Gordon and Listers, That is indeed a heartbreaking tale of the loss of a family member on their crossing from Ireland to Scotland that would have repercussions for several generations. I would like to draw readers to an interesting publication that looks at the movement of population between Scotland and Ireland which should be interesting in the context of current discussion: The publication goes by the title “THE NARROW SEA” compiled by the late remarkable and prolific Ulster historian, Jonathan Bardon (died Belfast, April 2020) contributed to “FAMILIA”, Ulster Genealogical Review, No. 35, 2019 (page 97) (Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast) “In addition to those Irish who settled permanently in Scotland, great numbers crossed the north channel annually as migrant workers, returning to Ireland at the end of each season. They travelled principally as harvesters from the 1830s onwards, their numbers increasing as cross channel fares fell. The “Scotsman” on 11 August 1846 reported that in the preceding week from Belfast via Ardrossan and from Belfast and Derry direct to the Bronielaw upwards of 14,000 Irish reapers equipped with sickles had arrived in Glasgow. The vessels transporting them were often alarmingly overcrowded. The “Scottish Guardian” observed in August 1849: The “Londonderry” brought over from Ireland the extraordinary number of 1,700 human beings at one trip, but a more incredible fact was noticed on Friday when the “Thistle” steamer arrived at Greenock from Londonderry with upwards of 1,900 deck passengers……the poor creatures filled every corner from stem to stem, clustering around the bulwarks as thick as bees………….. In 1851, a veritable army of 12,000 !rish reapers were employed accompanied by women and children at least to another 1,000………. I hope this brief extract is interesting and adds to our understanding of the lives of our forebears Regards, LEN SWINDLEY, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================

Hi Shirley and Cheryl, Re my g-grandfather: he was supposedly according to family legend, on his way to his daughter's wedding, but the dates don't tally. Beware of family folk lore! ;) And Shirley, I've done The Bass Strait crossing many, many times and not been kept awake. Normally the gentle rocking is soporific. On only one crossing did I hope that the cars were chained correctly in the hold! But we slept through eventually. :) Yes, crossing the Irish Sea was and still is, routine. My second crossing, I recall very well. It was after the end of hostilities (WW2), and my father and I flew from Belfast in a DC 4, right across the Isle of Mann. The view from above was dramatic, but my ears hurt on descending into Liverpool. (The first,r in the reverse direction, I was too young to recall.) Gordon Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺 > On 5 Jan 2021, at 6:20 pm, Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > I am so sorry to hear about a member of your family. > Cheryl > >> On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 6:06 pm Len Swindley via CoTyroneList, <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> Hello Gordon and Listers, >> >> >> >> That is indeed a heartbreaking tale of the loss of a family member on their crossing from Ireland to Scotland that would have repercussions for several generations. >> >> >> >> I would like to draw readers to an interesting publication that looks at the movement of population between Scotland and Ireland which should be interesting in the context of current discussion: >> >> >> >> The publication goes by the title “THE NARROW SEA” compiled by the late remarkable and prolific Ulster historian, Jonathan Bardon (died Belfast, April 2020) contributed to “FAMILIA”, Ulster Genealogical Review, No. 35, 2019 (page 97) (Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast) >> >> >> >> “In addition to those Irish who settled permanently in Scotland, great numbers crossed the north channel annually as migrant workers, returning to Ireland at the end of each season. They travelled principally as harvesters from the 1830s onwards, their numbers increasing as cross channel fares fell. The “Scotsman” on 11 August 1846 reported that in the preceding week from Belfast via Ardrossan and from Belfast and Derry direct to the Bronielaw upwards of 14,000 Irish reapers equipped with sickles had arrived in Glasgow. The vessels transporting them were often alarmingly overcrowded. >> >> The “Scottish Guardian” observed in August 1849: >> >> The “Londonderry” brought over from Ireland the extraordinary number of 1,700 human beings at one trip, but a more incredible fact was noticed on Friday when the “Thistle” steamer arrived at Greenock from Londonderry with upwards of 1,900 deck passengers……the poor creatures filled every corner from stem to stem, clustering around the bulwarks as thick as bees………….. >> >> >> >> In 1851, a veritable army of 12,000 !rish reapers were employed accompanied by women and children at least to another 1,000………. >> >> >> >> I hope this brief extract is interesting and adds to our understanding of the lives of our forebears >> >> >> >> Regards, LEN SWINDLEY, Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ================================= >> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

Hi Gordon, I haven't been on that trip, maybe one day I and my son will go. About your trip in the plane DC 4, i was about then until after WW11. Cheryl On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, 4:38 pm Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList, < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Hi Shirley and Cheryl, > Re my g-grandfather: he was supposedly according to family legend, on his > way to his daughter's wedding, but the dates don't tally. Beware of family > folk lore! ;) > And Shirley, I've done The Bass Strait crossing many, many times and not > been kept awake. Normally the gentle rocking is soporific. On only one > crossing did I hope that the cars were chained correctly in the hold! But > we slept through eventually. :) > Yes, crossing the Irish Sea was and still is, routine. My second crossing, > I recall very well. It was after the end of hostilities (WW2), and my > father and I flew from Belfast in a DC 4, right across the Isle of Mann. > The view from above was dramatic, but my ears hurt on descending into > Liverpool. (The first,r in the reverse direction, I was too young to > recall.) > Gordon > > Sent from Gordon's iPad - neredon@gmail.com 🇦🇺 > > On 5 Jan 2021, at 6:20 pm, Cheryl Humphreys via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > I am so sorry to hear about a member of your family. > Cheryl > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, 6:06 pm Len Swindley via CoTyroneList, < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >> Hello Gordon and Listers, >> >> >> >> That is indeed a heartbreaking tale of the loss of a family member on >> their crossing from Ireland to Scotland that would have repercussions for >> several generations. >> >> >> >> I would like to draw readers to an interesting publication that looks at >> the movement of population between Scotland and Ireland which should be >> interesting in the context of current discussion: >> >> >> >> The publication goes by the title “THE NARROW SEA” compiled by the late >> remarkable and prolific Ulster historian, Jonathan Bardon (died Belfast, >> April 2020) contributed to “FAMILIA”, Ulster Genealogical Review, No. 35, >> 2019 (page 97) (Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast) >> >> >> >> “In addition to those Irish who settled permanently in Scotland, great >> numbers crossed the north channel annually as migrant workers, returning to >> Ireland at the end of each season. They travelled principally as harvesters >> from the 1830s onwards, their numbers increasing as cross channel fares >> fell. The “Scotsman” on 11 August 1846 reported that in the preceding week >> from Belfast via Ardrossan and from Belfast and Derry direct to the >> Bronielaw upwards of 14,000 Irish reapers equipped with sickles had arrived >> in Glasgow. The vessels transporting them were often alarmingly overcrowded. >> >> The “Scottish Guardian” observed in August 1849: >> >> The “Londonderry” brought over from Ireland the extraordinary number of >> 1,700 human beings at one trip, but a more incredible fact was noticed on >> Friday when the “Thistle” steamer arrived at Greenock from Londonderry with >> upwards of 1,900 deck passengers……the poor creatures filled every corner >> from stem to stem, clustering around the bulwarks as thick as bees………….. >> >> >> >> In 1851, a veritable army of 12,000 !rish reapers were employed >> accompanied by women and children at least to another 1,000………. >> >> >> >> I hope this brief extract is interesting and adds to our understanding of >> the lives of our forebears >> >> >> >> Regards, LEN SWINDLEY, Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> ================================= >> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >> List Archive - >> https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >> Join the list by sending an email to - >> cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - >> cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >> cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================