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Thanks Jim. This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: James McKane via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: James McKane Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario May you always Have Love to Share, Health to Spare, and Friends who Care..

Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat > On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Thanks Jim. > > This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Cc: James McKane <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 > > Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/ballymagorry.html> > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > > May you always Have Love to Share, > Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com <https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com> > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > =================================

Pat It might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk They are closed at the minute though.  I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance.  It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago.   Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada.  I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least  of those early records. Best wishes Evelyn Cardwell ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On 21 Feb 2021, 14:34, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >Hi Jim and Len, > >My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he >died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone >before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some >years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a >very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about >their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information >from Omagh, pre-1840? > >Thank you. > >Pat > >> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Jim. >> >> This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. >Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to >me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant >was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just >across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this >lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located >to Derry City. >> >> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >Windows 10 >> >> From: James McKane via CoTyroneList ><mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM >> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List ><mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Cc: James McKane <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, >Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members >1784-1832 >> >> Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern >Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 ><https://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/ballymagorry.html> >> >> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! >> >> Jim McKane >> Kitchener, Ontario >> >> May you always Have Love to Share, >> Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. >> >> ================================= >> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com ><mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com ><https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ><mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - >cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com ><mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ><mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> ================================= > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - >cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >=================================

Thanks very much for your help, Evelyn - I’ll do both. Wonder if Cardwells and Caldwells are related? I’m the latter. Best wishes, Pat > On Feb 21, 2021, at 7:06 AM, ECardwell via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Pat > It might be worthwhile contacting the museum of orange heritage in Belfast at www.orangeheritage.co.uk <http://www.orangeheritage.co.uk/> They are closed at the minute though. I don't know if they hold historic records, but they should be able to provide some guidance. > > It's disappointing that the Orange Lodge in Durham wasn't in a position to release basic records from 150 years ago, difficult to see what the privacy issues would be so long ago. Personally I'd ask them again, or contact their 'umbrella' body in Canada. I'm sure lots of historians would appreciate access to some at least of those early records. > > Best wishes > > Evelyn Cardwell > > > > Get BlueMail for Android <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=16470> > On 21 Feb 2021, at 14:34, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: > Hi Jim and Len, > > My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? > > Thank you. > > Pat > >> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks Jim. >> >> This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. >> >> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 >> >> From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM >> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Cc: James McKane <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 >> >> Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. 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Hello Pat, I shall attempt to respond to your query. Firstly, the Orange Order is not to be confused with Freemasonry; they are not connected. Dr William Roulston, Research Director of the Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast refers to the records of the Orange Order in his acclaimed work RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS: The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster 1600-1800 (2nd edn., 2018). Very few records have been deposited in PRONI, Belfast or the National Archives of Ireland, Dublin and any records that do exist are likely to remain with local lodges; the archives at the Museum of Orange Heritage, Schomberg House, Castlereagh, Belfast www.orangeheritage.co.uk/archives<http://www.orangeheritage.co.uk/archives> may contain references to early surviving records 1780s-c1830) of individual lodges. Dr. Roulston cites specifically Killymaddy (Dungannon) lodge and minute/ roll book of the Fort Edward Body of Orangemen - early records 1788-9 include a list of names and addresses of members and some details on those who were subsequently admitted or who were expelled for such offences as non-attendance and misconduct. This is of course, an exception. Locating genealogical data within Orange Lodge records seems elusive. Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Monday, 22 February 2021 1:34 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Pat Hocker<mailto:pat.hocker@icloud.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Hi Jim and Len, My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? Thank you. Pat On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Thanks Jim. This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: James McKane via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: James McKane<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/ballymagorry.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario May you always Have Love to Share, Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================

Dear Len, Once again, you have provided a thorough, knowledgeable answer to a question posed by a member; thank you! I’ll try contacting the Museum of Orange Heritage, as you suggest. Many thanks for all your help. Best wishes, Pat > On Feb 22, 2021, at 12:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > Hello Pat, > > I shall attempt to respond to your query. > > Firstly, the Orange Order is not to be confused with Freemasonry; they are not connected. > > Dr William Roulston, Research Director of the Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast refers to the records of the Orange Order in his acclaimed work RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS: The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster 1600-1800 (2nd edn., 2018). > > Very few records have been deposited in PRONI, Belfast or the National Archives of Ireland, Dublin and any records that do exist are likely to remain with local lodges; the archives at the Museum of Orange Heritage, Schomberg House, Castlereagh, Belfast www.orangeheritage.co.uk/archives <http://www.orangeheritage.co.uk/archives> may contain references to early surviving records 1780s-c1830) of individual lodges. Dr. Roulston cites specifically Killymaddy (Dungannon) lodge and minute/ roll book of the Fort Edward Body of Orangemen - early records 1788-9 include a list of names and addresses of members and some details on those who were subsequently admitted or who were expelled for such offences as non-attendance and misconduct. This is of course, an exception. > > Locating genealogical data within Orange Lodge records seems elusive. > > Regards, > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > From: Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Sent: Monday, 22 February 2021 1:34 AM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Cc: Pat Hocker <mailto:pat.hocker@icloud.com> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 > > Hi Jim and Len, > > My ancestor belonged to the Orange Lodge in Durham, Ontario, where he died in 1860. I’m guessing he was also a member in Omagh, Tyrone before emigrating to Canada. I wrote to the Order in Ontario some years ago, asking if they had any information about him and received a very curt reply,indicating that they didn’t divulge anything about their membership. I wonder if there are any lists or other information from Omagh, pre-1840? > > Thank you. > > Pat > > > On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: > > Thanks Jim. > > This file is interesting as Lodge 633 commenced in Ballymagorry, Co. Tyrone, but was withdrawn as the result of a “scandal” (as described to me by the archivist at the Freemasons’ Hall in Dublin) and a warrant was issued to a lodge to meet in in the townland of Killymallaght just across the county boundary in Co. Londonderry. (Several members of this lodge were draw from townland families). This lodge was later located to Derry City. > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 AM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Cc: James McKane <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 > > Masonic Lodge No 633, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland; List of Members 1784-1832 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/ballymagorry.html> > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > > May you always Have Love to Share, > Health to Spare, and Friends who Care.. > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com <https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com> > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com <https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com> > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > =================================