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Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1672, Issue 2

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Wayne Kedward
Sat, Feb 22, 2025 11:39 AM

Hello Annie and thank you for your detailed reply. Your efforts are greatly
appreciated and have given me some new leads.

I should have said that my ancestors were from Tullykevan townland.

I hold the birth, death and marriage certificates (where applicable) for
most of the Regan family - the Wilsons have been more difficult, but I did
trace the death of Mary Jane (again Reigan) in Blackwatertown in 1893

I am aware of the new Ulster Historical Foundations Townland publication (I
am on their mailing list). Just have to justify the cost and then shipping
to Australia (I have bought from them before - "Researching Scots-Irish
Ancestors").

John Regan (shown as Reigan) on his death certificate of 1892 was my gggg
grandfather. As you say he is shown as being 102 when he died (which I have
not been able to prove) but I am fairly certain I have traced his marriage
to 1821, so regardless, when he died he was a very good age (my own mother
lived to 100).

I have tracked most of the children of John's son, my ggg grandfather
Charles Regan using Proni, Roots Ireland, Family Search, Ancestry, Find My
Past and the free Irish records web site and hold their birth, marriage and
death certificates (as applicable). Most never married and census records
showed that a number lived together all their lives.

It took a good deal of sweat to ultimately find my gg grandfather John's
baptismal record as Roots Ireland, while recording all his brothers and
sisters baptisms, did not have him. I did find it eventually - written in
Latin and recorded as Johannes, son of Carolus Regan and Maria Johanna
Wilson on March 9 1856.

I have traced John's granddaughter Bella (one of Charles' children -
Isabella Regan). She was one of the few to eventually marry

So many years of research (I have been doing this for over 40 years) but you
never stop learning and discovering.

So again, many thanks for your info which I will use and thank you for
taking the time to reply.

With kind regards, Wayne

Wayne Kedward
Sydney Australia
Email: kedward@ihug.com.au

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  1. John Regan & William Wilson of Tullykevan townland, Clonfeacle parish,
    County Armagh
    (Annie Crenshaw)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:01:14 -0600
From: Annie Crenshaw crenshawannie@gmail.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Regan & William Wilson of
Tullykevan townland, Clonfeacle parish, County Armagh
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It's very helpful when you have a document of your Irish ancestors that
gives the TOWNLAND where these families lived -- such as the 1853
marriage record that Wayne Kedward described. Townlands were hugely
important in 19th century Ireland! Both Charles Regan and his bride of
1853, Mary Jane Wilson, were residents of Tullykevin (Tullykeevan), a
townland in the Armagh part of Clonfeacle parish. Tullykevin is on the
north side of Blackwaterwater town, on the east side of and adjacent to
the Blackwater River. It's bordered by Drumask townland on the east,
Shanmullagh on the north, Stangmore (Magee) on the west, and of course
Blackwatertown on the south.

In the 1833 Tithe Applotments, "Wm. Wilson" was counted at
"Tullykeevan," but there were no Regans in the Armagh part of Clonfeacle
parish. By the time of Griffith's Valuation (1860s for Armagh), "John
Regan" was counted at "Tullykevan" in Clonfeacle parish. There were no
longer any Wilsons at Tullykevan, but there was a William Wilson in
Blackwatertown.

Have you checked for deaths of these men in the Blackwatertown area?
Interestingly, a "John Reigan" died in 1892 at Blackwatertown, age 102.
He was a widower, a laborer, and the informant was his granddaughter
Bella Reigan, a resident of Blackwatertown.

Sir Isaac Wilson (1757-1844) was from the Blackwatertown area. He served
as personal physician to the Duke and Duchess of Kent, and was also
Director of the Haslar Naval Hospital. An obituary for him is posted on
this very County Tyrone web site, thanks to Len Swindley -- see "Wilson
Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1823-79." I've gathered various references to
Sir Isaac's relatives, but I don't have anything on a "Mary Jane Wilson"
who married Charles Regan, or her father William Wilson, except that a
William Wilson of Blackwatertown is referred to in several of his
daughters' marriages in 1845 and 1855. He's the "late William Wilson" of
Blackwatertown (in a marriage announcement in The Armagh Guardian) and
"William Wilson, merchant" on the daughters' civil marriage records.
He's obviously not a man who'd be described as a "laborer" in another
record. But, I can share these specific references if you'd like to read
them. I have a distant connection through marriage with Sir Isaac's
family, but we're not blood-line related.

If you could find a direct male descendant of William Wilson of
Tullykevin/Tullykevan, a Y-DNA test would be extremely helpful in
determining which Wilsons were his ancestors. The test participant has
to be a son of a son of a son, in a straight male Wilson line. If you
ONLY know your ancestor Mary Jane Wilson, but haven't researched her
siblings, you might find some of them by searching civil marriage
records for Wilsons in Clonfeacle parish, 1845+, as well as deaths,
1864+. Any Wilsons whose residence was Tullykevin are almost certainly
in your ancestor's family.

Early Church of Ireland records for Clonfeacle parish didn't survive,
but marriages 1845+, baptisms 1869+, and burials 1870+ are in local
church custody and can be consulted by arrangement. Extracts of
Clonfeacle's C. of I. vestry minutes (1763-1831) are on microfilm at
PRONI, though less helpful than births/marriages/deaths.

On the subject of townlands, the new "Townland Atlas of Ulster" by
Andrew Kane was published by the Ulster Historical Foundation this past
year. It's a hefty and handsome compilation of county and parish record
outlines and maps, almost 500 pages. The first printing sold out, and
the UHF is taking orders for a second printing. There are reviews and
many more details on-line.

Good luck with your Wilson-Regan search,

Annie
Email: crenshawannie@gmail.com

Hello Annie and thank you for your detailed reply. Your efforts are greatly appreciated and have given me some new leads. I should have said that my ancestors were from Tullykevan townland. I hold the birth, death and marriage certificates (where applicable) for most of the Regan family - the Wilsons have been more difficult, but I did trace the death of Mary Jane (again Reigan) in Blackwatertown in 1893 I am aware of the new Ulster Historical Foundations Townland publication (I am on their mailing list). Just have to justify the cost and then shipping to Australia (I have bought from them before - "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors"). John Regan (shown as Reigan) on his death certificate of 1892 was my gggg grandfather. As you say he is shown as being 102 when he died (which I have not been able to prove) but I am fairly certain I have traced his marriage to 1821, so regardless, when he died he was a very good age (my own mother lived to 100). I have tracked most of the children of John's son, my ggg grandfather Charles Regan using Proni, Roots Ireland, Family Search, Ancestry, Find My Past and the free Irish records web site and hold their birth, marriage and death certificates (as applicable). Most never married and census records showed that a number lived together all their lives. It took a good deal of sweat to ultimately find my gg grandfather John's baptismal record as Roots Ireland, while recording all his brothers and sisters baptisms, did not have him. I did find it eventually - written in Latin and recorded as Johannes, son of Carolus Regan and Maria Johanna Wilson on March 9 1856. I have traced John's granddaughter Bella (one of Charles' children - Isabella Regan). She was one of the few to eventually marry So many years of research (I have been doing this for over 40 years) but you never stop learning and discovering. So again, many thanks for your info which I will use and thank you for taking the time to reply. With kind regards, Wayne Wayne Kedward Sydney Australia Email: kedward@ihug.com.au -----Original Message----- From: cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com [mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com] Sent: Saturday, 22 February 2025 7:30 PM To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Subject: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1672, Issue 2 Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com You can reach the person managing the list at cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." ================================= If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the other emails from your reply before sending. ================================= Today's Topics: 1. John Regan & William Wilson of Tullykevan townland, Clonfeacle parish, County Armagh (Annie Crenshaw) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:01:14 -0600 From: Annie Crenshaw <crenshawannie@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Regan & William Wilson of Tullykevan townland, Clonfeacle parish, County Armagh To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Message-ID: <ba3518db-55e9-463b-9384-7e5417a2df89@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------z69vyz0w1UiM9xyZG29XrXwc" It's very helpful when you have a document of your Irish ancestors that gives the TOWNLAND where these families lived -- such as the 1853 marriage record that Wayne Kedward described. Townlands were hugely important in 19th century Ireland! Both Charles Regan and his bride of 1853, Mary Jane Wilson, were residents of Tullykevin (Tullykeevan), a townland in the Armagh part of Clonfeacle parish. Tullykevin is on the north side of Blackwaterwater town, on the east side of and adjacent to the Blackwater River. It's bordered by Drumask townland on the east, Shanmullagh on the north, Stangmore (Magee) on the west, and of course Blackwatertown on the south. In the 1833 Tithe Applotments, "Wm. Wilson" was counted at "Tullykeevan," but there were no Regans in the Armagh part of Clonfeacle parish. By the time of Griffith's Valuation (1860s for Armagh), "John Regan" was counted at "Tullykevan" in Clonfeacle parish. There were no longer any Wilsons at Tullykevan, but there was a William Wilson in Blackwatertown. Have you checked for deaths of these men in the Blackwatertown area? Interestingly, a "John Reigan" died in 1892 at Blackwatertown, age 102. He was a widower, a laborer, and the informant was his granddaughter Bella Reigan, a resident of Blackwatertown. Sir Isaac Wilson (1757-1844) was from the Blackwatertown area. He served as personal physician to the Duke and Duchess of Kent, and was also Director of the Haslar Naval Hospital. An obituary for him is posted on this very County Tyrone web site, thanks to Len Swindley -- see "Wilson Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1823-79." I've gathered various references to Sir Isaac's relatives, but I don't have anything on a "Mary Jane Wilson" who married Charles Regan, or her father William Wilson, except that a William Wilson of Blackwatertown is referred to in several of his daughters' marriages in 1845 and 1855. He's the "late William Wilson" of Blackwatertown (in a marriage announcement in The Armagh Guardian) and "William Wilson, merchant" on the daughters' civil marriage records. He's obviously not a man who'd be described as a "laborer" in another record. But, I can share these specific references if you'd like to read them. I have a distant connection through marriage with Sir Isaac's family, but we're not blood-line related. If you could find a direct male descendant of William Wilson of Tullykevin/Tullykevan, a Y-DNA test would be extremely helpful in determining which Wilsons were his ancestors. The test participant has to be a son of a son of a son, in a straight male Wilson line. If you ONLY know your ancestor Mary Jane Wilson, but haven't researched her siblings, you might find some of them by searching civil marriage records for Wilsons in Clonfeacle parish, 1845+, as well as deaths, 1864+. Any Wilsons whose residence was Tullykevin are almost certainly in your ancestor's family. Early Church of Ireland records for Clonfeacle parish didn't survive, but marriages 1845+, baptisms 1869+, and burials 1870+ are in local church custody and can be consulted by arrangement. Extracts of Clonfeacle's C. of I. vestry minutes (1763-1831) are on microfilm at PRONI, though less helpful than births/marriages/deaths. On the subject of townlands, the new "Townland Atlas of Ulster" by Andrew Kane was published by the Ulster Historical Foundation this past year. It's a hefty and handsome compilation of county and parish record outlines and maps, almost 500 pages. The first printing sold out, and the UHF is taking orders for a second printing. There are reviews and many more details on-line. Good luck with your Wilson-Regan search, Annie Email: crenshawannie@gmail.com