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Elwyn Soutter
Mon, Jan 17, 2022 8:59 AM

Marion,
It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards.

Elwyn

On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:  

Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the  earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house.Thanks again Marion Shephard

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Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69
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Marion, It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards. Elwyn On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the  earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house.Thanks again Marion Shephard Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Date: 14/01/2022 10:52 (GMT+00:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================
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Roger Cousens
Mon, Jan 17, 2022 9:13 AM

What about Methodists (as well as Presbyterians) when it comes to burials?  Did they still get buried in consecrated ground, even if there was not a meeting place with a graveyard?  I have had trouble finding death records for some Methodists in Fermanagh during the famine and wondered if they were buried in COI cemeteries or somewhere else.
Thanks
Roger

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Marion,

It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards.

Elwyn

On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the  earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house.
Thanks again Marion Shephard

Sent from my Galaxy

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What about Methodists (as well as Presbyterians) when it comes to burials? Did they still get buried in consecrated ground, even if there was not a meeting place with a graveyard? I have had trouble finding death records for some Methodists in Fermanagh during the famine and wondered if they were buried in COI cemeteries or somewhere else. Thanks Roger From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Monday, 17 January 2022 8:00 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 External email: Please exercise caution ________________________________ Marion, It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards. Elwyn On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house. Thanks again Marion Shephard Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Date: 14/01/2022 10:52 (GMT+00:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/rodgers2.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com<https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================
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Len Swindley
Mon, Jan 17, 2022 10:23 AM

Since Reformation times, every long-standing family within a parish had an allocated burial plot in the parish graveyard (usually attached to the Church of Ireland), although Catholics, at times, utilised burial grounds attached to historic sites (perhaps an old monastery).
However, Catholics and Dissenters (Presbyterians) burials were not be recorded in the Church of Ireland burial register.
Regards,
Len Swindley


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What about Methodists (as well as Presbyterians) when it comes to burials?  Did they still get buried in consecrated ground, even if there was not a meeting place with a graveyard?  I have had trouble finding death records for some Methodists in Fermanagh during the famine and wondered if they were buried in COI cemeteries or somewhere else.

Thanks

Roger

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Marion,

It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards.

Elwyn

On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the  earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house.

Thanks again Marion Shephard

Sent from my Galaxy

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Since Reformation times, every long-standing family within a parish had an allocated burial plot in the parish graveyard (usually attached to the Church of Ireland), although Catholics, at times, utilised burial grounds attached to historic sites (perhaps an old monastery). However, Catholics and Dissenters (Presbyterians) burials were not be recorded in the Church of Ireland burial register. Regards, Len Swindley ________________________________ From: Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Monday, 17 January 2022 8:13 PM To: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Roger Cousens <rcousens@unimelb.edu.au> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: [EXT] Re: New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 What about Methodists (as well as Presbyterians) when it comes to burials? Did they still get buried in consecrated ground, even if there was not a meeting place with a graveyard? I have had trouble finding death records for some Methodists in Fermanagh during the famine and wondered if they were buried in COI cemeteries or somewhere else. Thanks Roger From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Monday, 17 January 2022 8:00 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 External email: Please exercise caution ________________________________ Marion, It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards. Elwyn On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house. Thanks again Marion Shephard Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Date: 14/01/2022 10:52 (GMT+00:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/rodgers2.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> =================================
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marionshephard
Tue, Jan 18, 2022 1:12 PM

Thanks Elwyn, I did wonder about this. When were Presbyterian marriages first allowed in chapels/churches ? Do you know how the legal status of the marriages were established before civil registration began. I have seen records of marriages in Ballindrait Presbyterian Church before this  - would these have taken place in the church or elsewhere? Sorry for all the questions !Regards MarionSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk Date: 17/01/2022  09:00  (GMT+00:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Cc: marionshephard marionshephard@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69
Marion,It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards.Elwyn

                On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
            
            
            
            Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the  earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house.Thanks again Marion Shephard

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Thanks Elwyn, I did wonder about this. When were Presbyterian marriages first allowed in chapels/churches ? Do you know how the legal status of the marriages were established before civil registration began. I have seen records of marriages in Ballindrait Presbyterian Church before this  - would these have taken place in the church or elsewhere? Sorry for all the questions !Regards MarionSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> Date: 17/01/2022 09:00 (GMT+00:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: marionshephard <marionshephard@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: New Content - Rodgers & Rogers Genealogy Notes, Co. Donegal, Ireland 1830-69 Marion,It was quite common for Presbyterians to marry in a private house. Usually the bride's home, or the Manse (the Minister's House) and sometimes a local hotel, especially in Scotland (where Presbyterianism started). Church weddings are a comparatively recent thing for Presbyterians. Mid 1800s onwards.Elwyn On Sunday, 16 January 2022, 19:28:56 GMT, marionshephard via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Many thanks Len for this information and all the work you do. I was intrigued to see a Nathaniel Rodgers of Tierkeren marrying in 1845 in Castlefin. One of the branches of my family were Rodgers at Tierkeren, the  earliest known name I have is Andrew Rodgers, who is a tenant there at the time of Griffiths but was there before this according to records for Ballindrait Presbyterian Church. Nathaniel is a new name to me, perhaps a brother to Andrew. If anyone knows anything about this family I would be very interested. I am also intrigued by the fact that the marriage took place in someone's house.Thanks again Marion Shephard =================================Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.comList Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.comJoin the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.comTo receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.comUnsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com=================================