Just a ? for Scottie, who's responsible when they fail to TRIM their posts? Phil/NJ Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2020, at 9:59 AM, ducati-request@list.ducati.net wrote: > > Send Ducati mailing list submissions to > ducati@list.ducati.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ducati-request@list.ducati.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ducati-owner@list.ducati.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ducati digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Red Bull Ring MotoGP (May contain spoilers) (Scottie Ducati) > 2. Re: Red Bull Ring MotoGP (May contain spoilers) (Scottie Ducati) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:55:36 -0400 > From: Scottie Ducati <scottieducati@gmail.com> > To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > Subject: Re: [Ducati] Red Bull Ring MotoGP (May contain spoilers) > Message-ID: > <CAKWDRFTp6R96ixbjXxsQ0Zw1WpC-ZLo4jxP4QkQbkLDrbW=_tA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Just to clear things up, you are NOT responsible for the riders behind you. > The rider behind (making the pass) is *always* responsible for making the > pass safely. That is just how it is in road racing. > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So I think it goes like this-awareness, processing, then reaction??? a lot >> can happen in that span of time, whether the situation involves another >> bike, a car or a deer. Just ask Jack, Gene, my son and others in the deer?s >> case. My guess is that they were ?aware? of what was going on before ?it? >> happened, but processing and reaction ate up too much time to do much about >> it. Obviously there are times where there?s just no way you?re going to do >> anything about it anyway because of the physics involved in getting the >> bike to do what you might have hoped would/could happen. >> >> Saw Zarco and other?s interviews, but was not able to find a video of >> Franco?s account of the incident. Would like to hear his take. So glad the >> whole thing was not 10 times worse than it was???. >> >> STeve >> >> On Aug 16, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Okay, Spoiler for sure...... and a long rant about neural processing that >> is relevant to the question. >> ... >> I watched the video of multiple camera views. I would love to see the >> views from Zarco and Morbidelli's cameras (I assume there was live feed >> that is available to someone). I am not an experienced track rider, and >> have never raced, so my understanding of rules and edicate are limited. >> That said, it looked to me like Zarco was at fault. If you can't leave a >> margin of time for the rider behind you to react to a move, you should not >> make that move (see next paragraph). When is a pass considered completed, >> so that the safety of that pass is no longer the responsibility of the >> rider passing? Zarco said "I was braking." Did he mean he was braking as he >> pulled across in front of Morbidelli? >> >> I have mentioned this before, but this is a good time to do so again: due >> to the varying processing times for the different human senses (sight, >> sound, touch,...) there is a delay in our consciously perceiving something. >> As far as I know, the debate in the scientific community is whether this >> delay is as little as 1/8th of a second or as much as 1/2 a second. This >> is not reaction time, this is awareness time - your eyes actually scanned >> the words in this email a 1/8th to 1/2 a second before you experienced >> reading them. So, if Zarco is braking or off throttle when he pulls >> directly in front of an accelerating Morbidelli, Morbidelli will know he is >> there at the same time, or shortly after he hits him. There is no way >> around this. So, how do we, or can we, regulate MotoGP to account for this? >> We are designed to go 15 miles per hour, while MotoGP bikes go well over >> 200. Hmmm. >> >> And, maybe they need to fix that part of the track, but cannot before next >> weekend. Here's hoping for another great race but without cartwheeling or >> missile-ing bikes. >> >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 10:22, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> OMG >>> Glad nothing bad happened. That could?ve been lethal.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Eaparagaros remind me of Beavis and Butthead. >>> >>> Did you guys see Pol Espargaro?s reaction?? As if he thought he was >>> actually going to win the race just because he was leading for a minute.. >>> It?s a given that Dovi was going to win the race! >>> Not even Marquez can beat him in Austria.. >>> >>> As for the other Espargaro, he said that he can be faster than Dovi! >>> Bwahahah! And that he?s more than welcome at Aprilia to be his teammate. >>> >>> My ?dude Rins needs to listen to his bike. He?s fast, but crashes a lot. >>> >>> I hope Dovi wins the championship?not sure if it will be gratifying for >>> him as his nemesis is OUT. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:26 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think the on track experience was the WTF moment, it was >>>> watching the replay and that thing is going to get a lot of attention for >>>> the next few days. If you are a team manager your probably hoping your >>>> rider isn't watching. Moto 2 was pretty scary as well. I've seen a few bad >>>> ones in person and cannot watch the replay Jimmy Adamo Daytona, the young >>>> gun killed at VIR Cup Race, are 2 that I remember. - Gene >>>> >>>> "I Know a Few Roads" >>>> Patriot Guard Rider >>>> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >>>> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >>>> DUCATI.net Member >>>> USDESMO Member #1263 >>>> EX-MSF Instructor >>>> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >>>> >>>> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >>>> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >>>> HD - 09' XR1200 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Vicki >>>> Smith <vicki@ducati.net> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2020 8:32 AM >>>> *To:* Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ducati] Red Bull Ring MotoGP (May contain spoilers) >>>> >>>> Holy Moly. If Rossi was looking for a sign he needs to look no further. >>>> Vicki >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> How the fuck do they announce that in the middle of a GP? >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Looks like it. Ducati Director met with Dovi?s manager and they seem to >>>> have not come to terms. >>>> >>>> I guess Dovi?s leverage is that ain?t nobody gonna produce better than >>>> him. I don?t know the salary situation; either Dovi wants more or Ducati >>>> downgraded his salary. >>>> >>>> >>>> Historically, Dovi is one of the best riders (not just For Ducati) and >>>> he?s still on top. Who?s better than him aside from Marc? He can always get >>>> a ride. >>>> Perhaps he?s riding like shit now due to the contract renewal situation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 8:41 AM Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> No more Desmo Dovi? I can?t get it out of my mind this is a tactic (from >>>> both sides). But it would be highly unusual for Ducati to make a statement >>>> like the one this am if it wasn?t the real plan. And more unusual for a >>>> rider to leave over money with no other outside offers. I?m sceptical to >>>> say the least. And personally, not excited about the likely return of >>>> Lorenzo... >>>> Also. My picks this weekend are like I?m playing bingo. 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