Having a rider drop a place or two during the race never works - it's cumbersome, tough to communicate, and hell, aren't you taught to NEVER slow down on a race track? The long lap thing - meh - wait until someone merges in to a battle in full swing while raging through the red mist. That would suck for sure. 3s penalty at the end? Maybe. Certainly safer. Pags On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:03 AM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> wrote: > Some may say add time to the rider’s race at the end, but I’ve never been > a fan of that because it doesn’t change the rider’s position in the race > relative to the other riders, so whatever “battles” take place between > participants are not between the riders it would have been without the > penalty. I like the “long lap” thing that they used at Qatar. > Alternatively, they can have the rider drop a place (or two ) during the > race itself. > > STeve > > >

Yeah man, that sounds like a mess. Imagine if every rider jump starts? LOL First, that takes away something from the world-class sport. These GP riders need constant high level motivation in order to further raise the level of the sport. Even the slightest change that may seem so trivial can impact the professionalism and the value of the highest level of motorcycle racing in the world. I’m paying top Euros here, I want to see some precision and superb racing :D 😂 If the punishment is that gentle, then the riders mentality, actions, etc. will certainly change and consequently, racing will change. Second, control: These GP riders are wild dangerous sharks. Your proposed penalty will be exploited very much so in a strategic form. It’s going to be dirty and more dangerous. I do like a little bit of dirt, but not this particular dirt. Do you know why Singapore is quite clean? That’s right! The penalty for littering, spitting, chewing gum is your “nuts”. On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:03 AM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> wrote: > Some may say add time to the rider’s race at the end, but I’ve never been > a fan of that because it doesn’t change the rider’s position in the race > relative to the other riders, so whatever “battles” take place between > participants are not between the riders it would have been without the > penalty. I like the “long lap” thing that they used at Qatar. > Alternatively, they can have the rider drop a place (or two ) during the > race itself. > > STeve > > > > > On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Yes sir. > > > > Can’t manage to follow a very very simple rule? Then get off the track. > > Don’t be a MotoGp rider and give the bike to Iannone. Made a human > mistake > > at the top level? Then swallow the penalty and don’t make the same > mistake > > again. It’s a super high level sport. Man the F up and accept the rookie > > mistake.. > > Even Karel doesn’t roll forward on a red light—he just crashes all the > time > > :D > > > > So, Steve. Tell us what sort of penalty you have in mind for this > specific > > incident? A second off? Let the rider behind pass? Very curious to hear > > your take on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:23 PM Stephen Abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Lan, do you really think that a ride through penalty that put you into > >> last place in the race was appropriate for an action that gained the > rider > >> absolutely no advantage whatsoever at the beginning of the race? I don’t > >> have a problem with race direction being strict about not moving while > the > >> lights are on, but I would suggest that it might be nice to not have > such a > >> rubber stamp penalty. There should be room for discretion on the part of > >> the officials to assign a punishment a bit more appropriate for the > crime. > >> > >> STeve > >> > >>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> *"Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" * > >>> > >>> That can be interpreted in two ways, but I understand what you're > >> saying. > >>> English can get complicated, or I should say (*for lack of a better > >> word*) > >>> stupid sometimes. Obviously, that's questionable because some will say > >> that > >>> the person who's reading/listening is the stupid one. That's the kind > of > >>> innuendo I'm sensing from you there, Peer 😁 You must be European: > >> Either > >>> British, French or some kind of an a-hole :) :) just kidding. > >>> > >>> Back on track: So you're basically saying - The punishment does not fit > >> the > >>> crime. I think it's a perfect punishment. > >>> > >>> What kind of penalty do you think is not BS in this case? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Peer Landa <peer@ccrma.stanford.edu> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Pags... > >>>> ..you wrote: > >>>>> Maybe, the "rule" is bullshit, if we're splitting hairs on it. The > >>>> penalty is exactly what they described. > >>>> > >>>> No, that's again the opposite of what I said -- here again, in > verbatim: > >>>> "Never liked the guy, but this is a bullshit penalty" -- i.e., the > >> penalty > >>>> for breaking that rule is bullshit." > >>>> > >>>> Hence, the rule is okay, but the draconian penalty for breaking it is > >>>> bullshit. > >>>> > >>>> -- peer > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > >> http://www.ductalk.com/ > >> and > >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > >> _____________________ > >> Ducati mailing list > >> Ducati@list.ducati.net > >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > >> Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > >> > > -- > > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: desmo900cr@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

The trouble is, sometimes the start makes or breaks an entire race for a rider. Look at some of these guys who qualify poorly, but run the same pace as the leaders and make their way back up into fourth or fifth place by the end of the race. Give that rider a jumpstart and maybe he’s on the podium instead. Even a three second penalty might not make up for three or four or Five places that might be gained by the end of the race off of a jumpstart. It’s a seriously harsh penalty to give a rider a ride-through for a jumpstart, but, my guess is, Cal will never have another one. Maybe deference is the best policy. > On Apr 3, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > Having a rider drop a place or two during the race never works - it's > cumbersome, tough to communicate, and hell, aren't you taught to NEVER slow > down on a race track? > > The long lap thing - meh - wait until someone merges in to a battle in full > swing while raging through the red mist. That would suck for sure. > > 3s penalty at the end? Maybe. Certainly safer. > Pags > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:03 AM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Some may say add time to the rider’s race at the end, but I’ve never been >> a fan of that because it doesn’t change the rider’s position in the race >> relative to the other riders, so whatever “battles” take place between >> participants are not between the riders it would have been without the >> penalty. I like the “long lap” thing that they used at Qatar. >> Alternatively, they can have the rider drop a place (or two ) during the >> race itself. >> >> STeve >> >> >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: scotttaylor2@comcast.net

Precisely! A rider from the 3rd grid who jumpstarts really well with a holeshot device can end up in 3rd position. LOL On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM Scott Taylor <scotttaylor2@comcast.net> wrote: > The trouble is, sometimes the start makes or breaks an entire race for a > rider. Look at some of these guys who qualify poorly, but run the same pace > as the leaders and make their way back up into fourth or fifth place by the > end of the race. Give that rider a jumpstart and maybe he’s on the podium > instead. Even a three second penalty might not make up for three or four or > Five places that might be gained by the end of the race off of a jumpstart. > It’s a seriously harsh penalty to give a rider a ride-through for a > jumpstart, but, my guess is, Cal will never have another one. Maybe > deference is the best policy. > > > On Apr 3, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Having a rider drop a place or two during the race never works - it's > > cumbersome, tough to communicate, and hell, aren't you taught to NEVER > slow > > down on a race track? > > > > The long lap thing - meh - wait until someone merges in to a battle in > full > > swing while raging through the red mist. That would suck for sure. > > > > 3s penalty at the end? Maybe. Certainly safer. > > Pags > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:03 AM stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Some may say add time to the rider’s race at the end, but I’ve never > been > >> a fan of that because it doesn’t change the rider’s position in the race > >> relative to the other riders, so whatever “battles” take place between > >> participants are not between the riders it would have been without the > >> penalty. I like the “long lap” thing that they used at Qatar. > >> Alternatively, they can have the rider drop a place (or two ) during the > >> race itself. > >> > >> STeve > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: scotttaylor2@comcast.net > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: nolanmaxxx@gmail.com > -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #