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Karen Miller

Fri, Aug 23, 2024 2:55 PM

Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.

Karen Miller
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Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey)

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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh.

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On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect
assumption ??

James

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Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in
Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published
lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were
the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply
children were incarcerated as well?

Karen Miller

Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. Karen Miller Wilmette, Illinois, USA > On Aug 23, 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote: > > Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." > > > ================================= > If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the other emails from your reply before sending. > ================================= > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (ECardwell) > 2. Gaol School (Karen Miller) > 3. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (Len Swindley) > 4. Re: Gaol School (Len Swindley) > 5. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100 > From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, > Issue 1 > To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com>, James Huey > <james@jameshuey.com> > Message-ID: <454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----PCTKJ5WCFSM4YSCZZ4CX5I36H3MMCG" > > Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail. > IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh. > > Evelyn > > ⁣Get BlueMail for Android > > On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect >> assumption ?? >> >> >> James >> >> From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList >> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM >> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List >> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; James McKane >> <jamckane@gmail.com> >> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue >> 1 >> >> Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: >> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia >> >> [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList >> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM >> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List >> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com>> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue >> 1 >> >> >> This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows >> >> >> >> From: Karen Miller via >> CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 >> To: >> cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue >> 1 >> >> >> >> I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in >> Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published >> lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were >> the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply >> children were incarcerated as well? >> >> >> >> Karen Miller >> >> Wilmette, Illinois, USA >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> On 21 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, >> cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to >> >> cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or >> >> body 'help' to >> >> cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> ================================= >> >> If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the >> other emails from your reply before sending. >> >> ================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. New Content - Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, >> Northern Ireland 1835 >> >> (James McKane) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 04:48:11 -0400 >> >> From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> >> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Schools in Enniskillen >> >> Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 >> >> To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" >> >> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >> >> Message-ID: >> >> <CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com>> >> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> >> boundary="0000000000005daac30620197e47" >> >> >> >> Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 >> >> <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/enniskillen.html> >> >> >> >> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! >> >> >> >> Jim McKane >> >> Kitchener, Ontario >> >>

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Elwyn Soutter

Fri, Aug 23, 2024 5:47 PM

In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too.

Elwyn

On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.
Karen MillerWilmette, Illinois, USA

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  1. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (ECardwell)
  2. Gaol School (Karen Miller)
  3. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (Len Swindley)
  4. Re: Gaol School (Len Swindley)
  5. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey)

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100
From: ECardwell ecardwell@btinternet.com
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564,
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To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList
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Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com, James Huey
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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh.

Evelyn

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On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect
assumption ??

James

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Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue
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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school.

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in
Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published
lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were
the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply
children were incarcerated as well?

Karen Miller

Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane

Kitchener, Ontario

In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too. Elwyn On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. Karen MillerWilmette, Illinois, USA On Aug 23, 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote: Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com You can reach the person managing the list at cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." ================================= If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the other emails from your reply before sending. ================================= Today's Topics: 1. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (ECardwell) 2. Gaol School (Karen Miller) 3. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (Len Swindley) 4. Re: Gaol School (Len Swindley) 5. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100 From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com>, James Huey <james@jameshuey.com> Message-ID: <454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----PCTKJ5WCFSM4YSCZZ4CX5I36H3MMCG" Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail. IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils?

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In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too.

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Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.

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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect
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Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense.

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school

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Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by:
Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)
Enniskillen:
The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school.
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Karen,
Please refer to both Evelyn's and my responses
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Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense.

Karen Miller

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school

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All very fascinating and I bow to the wisdom of the historians. It does, however, prompt the imagination: were the school’s pupils/students the children of gaol inmates? Did they live in the gaol as well, with their parents (fathers/mothers) ? Interesting from a social perspective, how it all must have worked.

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Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by:
Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)
Enniskillen:
The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ??

James

Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school.

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well?

Karen Miller

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Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils? James From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 3:48 AM To: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too. Elwyn On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. 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Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100 From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>, James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Message-ID: <454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com<mailto:454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----PCTKJ5WCFSM4YSCZZ4CX5I36H3MMCG" Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail. IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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New Content - Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 (James McKane) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 04:48:11 -0400 From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com%3cmailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Message-ID: <CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com%3cmailto:CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005daac30620197e47" Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/enniskillen.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 17020 bytes Desc: not available ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:30:21 -0500 From: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gaol School To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Message-ID: <C3C54544-CE39-446D-8546-F9E0ACAC24FA@comcast.net<mailto:C3C54544-CE39-446D-8546-F9E0ACAC24FA@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense. Karen Miller Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:34:20 +0000 From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>>, CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>, James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>, EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Message-ID: <SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR P216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_SL2P216MB2047FF 3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2SL2P216MB2047KORP_"; type="multipart/alternative" Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by: Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) Enniskillen: The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:24 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 49677 bytes Desc: image001.png ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:36:05 +0000 From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Gaol School To: "cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Message-ID: <SL2P216MB20474BF4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR P216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SL2P216MB20474BF4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SL2P216MB20474B F4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2SL2P216MB2047KORP_" Karen, Please refer to both Evelyn's and my responses Len Swindley ________________________________ From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:30 PM To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gaol School Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense. Karen Miller Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> ================================= -------------- next part -------------- A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2347 bytes Desc: not available ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:51:15 +0000 From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>, CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>, James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>, EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Message-ID: <SYYP282MB1246B799F8523E2C85192793B48F2@SYYP282MB1246.AUS P282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SYYP282MB1246B799F8523E2C85192793B48F2@SYYP282MB1246.AUS%0bP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_SYYP282MB1246B7 99F8523E2C85192793B48F2SYYP282MB1246AUSP_"; type="multipart/alternative" All very fascinating and I bow to the wisdom of the historians. It does, however, prompt the imagination: were the school’s pupils/students the children of gaol inmates? Did they live in the gaol as well, with their parents (fathers/mothers) ? Interesting from a social perspective, how it all must have worked. James From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:34 PM To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>; EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by: Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) Enniskillen: The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com%3cmailto:james@jameshuey.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:24 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com%3cmailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com%3cmailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>> Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com%3cmailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com%3cmailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF4E5.3E3CEFC0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names.

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On 24 Aug 2024, 02:14, at 02:14, James Huey via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the
in-gaol school’s pupils?

James

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Cc: Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School

In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They
would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law
system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate
jails/gaols too.

Elwyn

On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList
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wrote:

Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I
was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham
snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source
through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically.
James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children
live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL
school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and
raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about
1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed
in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.

Karen Miller
Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word
Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian,
his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in
the history of County Fermanagh.

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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect
assumption ??

James

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Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school.

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in
Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published
lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were
the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply
children were incarcerated as well?

Karen Miller

Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On 24 Aug 2024, 02:14, at 02:14, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the >in-gaol school’s pupils? > > >James > >From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 3:48 AM >To: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> >Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School > > >In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They >would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law >system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate >jails/gaols too. > > > > > > > >Elwyn > > > >On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >wrote: > > >Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I >was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham >snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source >through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. >James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children >live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL >school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and >raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about >1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed >in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. > >Karen Miller >Wilmette, Illinois, USA > > >On Aug 23, 2024, at 2:30 AM, >cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> >wrote: > >Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to >cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or >body 'help' to >cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> > >You can reach the person managing the list at >cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." > > >================================= >If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the >other emails from your reply before sending. >================================= > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (ECardwell) > 2. Gaol School (Karen Miller) > 3. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (Len Swindley) > 4. Re: Gaol School (Len Swindley) > 5. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100 >From: ECardwell ><ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> >Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, >Issue 1 >To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >Cc: Len Swindley ><len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>, James Huey ><james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> >Message-ID: ><454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com<mailto:454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com>> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >boundary="----PCTKJ5WCFSM4YSCZZ4CX5I36H3MMCG" > >Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word >Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail. >IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, >his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in >the history of County Fermanagh. > >Evelyn > >⁣Get BlueMail for Android > >On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >wrote: > >Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect >assumption ?? > > >James > >From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM >To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; >James McKane ><jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> >Cc: Len Swindley ><len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> >Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue >1 > >Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: >Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > >[cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] > >________________________________ >From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> >Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM >To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> >Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn ><mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> >Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue >1 > > >This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. > > > >Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >Windows > > > >From: Karen Miller via >CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 >To: >cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> >Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> >Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue >1 > > > >I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in >Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published >lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? 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Aaaah .. interesting …a touch of rehabilitation!

Many thanks.

James

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The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names.
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Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils?

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In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too.

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Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.

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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
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Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense.

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school

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Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by:
Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)
Enniskillen:
The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school.
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Karen,
Please refer to both Evelyn's and my responses
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Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense.

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school

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All very fascinating and I bow to the wisdom of the historians. It does, however, prompt the imagination: were the school’s pupils/students the children of gaol inmates? Did they live in the gaol as well, with their parents (fathers/mothers) ? Interesting from a social perspective, how it all must have worked.

James

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Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by:
Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)
Enniskillen:
The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ??

James

Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school.

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well?

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Aaaah .. interesting …a touch of rehabilitation! Many thanks. James From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 8:29 PM To: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>; James Huey <james@jameshuey.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names. Evelyn Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me> On 24 Aug 2024, at 02:14, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils? James From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 3:48 AM To: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too. Elwyn On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. Karen Miller Wilmette, Illinois, USA On Aug 23, 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> You can reach the person managing the list at cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." ================================= If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the other emails from your reply before sending. ================================= Today's Topics: 1. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (ECardwell) 2. Gaol School (Karen Miller) 3. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (Len Swindley) 4. Re: Gaol School (Len Swindley) 5. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100 From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>, James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Message-ID: <454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com<mailto:454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----PCTKJ5WCFSM4YSCZZ4CX5I36H3MMCG" Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail. IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 17020 bytes Desc: not available ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:30:21 -0500 From: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gaol School To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Message-ID: <C3C54544-CE39-446D-8546-F9E0ACAC24FA@comcast.net<mailto:C3C54544-CE39-446D-8546-F9E0ACAC24FA@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense. Karen Miller Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:34:20 +0000 From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>>, CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>, James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>, EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Message-ID: <SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR P216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_SL2P216MB2047FF 3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2SL2P216MB2047KORP_"; type="multipart/alternative" Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by: Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) Enniskillen: The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:24 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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Makes much more sense. Karen Miller Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> ================================= -------------- next part -------------- A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... 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It does, however, prompt the imagination: were the school’s pupils/students the children of gaol inmates? Did they live in the gaol as well, with their parents (fathers/mothers) ? Interesting from a social perspective, how it all must have worked. James From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:34 PM To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>; EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by: Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) Enniskillen: The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school. 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I received the information below from a friend in County Fermanagh - he
wrote about:Enniskillen Gaol as follows:

"I suspect that literacy was the main thing that was taught in the gaol.
The pupils were mostly adults. Sentences were generally quite short as
people would be transported for serious offences.. William Hunter
school-master and his wife as nurse retired in 1857 after 34 years'
service. The report said that they should have retired seven years
previously. He died the following year aged 95 so I suspect neither was
very active or efficient. James MacMullen succeeded Hunter and was
described as schoolmaster and clerk of the gaol. In 1865 the position of
schoolmaster/turnkey was advertised. I know of a couple of children who
were born in the jail (from the RC baptism register) but I don't think
their mothers would have been in jail,long enough for them to reach
school age. There was also a school in the workhouse.

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Aaaah .. interesting …a touch of rehabilitation!

Many thanks.

James

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The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a
time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to
be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on
prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the
school masters names.

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Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the
in-gaol school’s pupils?

James

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In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They
would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system.
And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols
too.

Elwyn

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Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was
having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham
snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source
through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically.
James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children
live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL
school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and
raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855
I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in
this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.

Karen Miller

Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word
Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian,
his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the
history of County Fermanagh.
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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect
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Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:
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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school.

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in
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the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply
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I received the information below from a friend in County Fermanagh - he wrote about:Enniskillen Gaol as follows: "I suspect that literacy was the main thing that was taught in the gaol. The pupils were mostly adults. Sentences were generally quite short as people would be transported for serious offences.. William Hunter school-master and his wife as nurse retired in 1857 after 34 years' service. The report said that they should have retired seven years previously. He died the following year aged 95 so I suspect neither was very active or efficient. James MacMullen succeeded Hunter and was described as schoolmaster and clerk of the gaol. In 1865 the position of schoolmaster/turnkey was advertised. I know of a couple of children who were born in the jail (from the RC baptism register) but I don't think their mothers would have been in jail,long enough for them to reach school age. There was also a school in the workhouse. ------ Original Message ------ From: james@jameshuey.com To: ecardwell@btinternet.com; cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Cc: elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, August 24th 2024, 15:14 Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School Aaaah .. interesting …a touch of rehabilitation! Many thanks. James From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 8:29 PM To: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>; James Huey <james@jameshuey.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names. Evelyn Get BlueMail for Android <https://bluemail.me> On 24 Aug 2024, at 02:14, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > wrote: Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils? James From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 3:48 AM To: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too. Elwyn On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > wrote: Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. 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IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > wrote: Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> > Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com <mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> >> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com <mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com> >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. 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Thank you for your sleuthing Evelyn! There was little doubt as to the accuracy of the of inclusion of the Gaol (Jail) School as it was contained in a House of Commons, Westminster, report. Additionally, it was stated that instruction was offered in reading, writing, arithmetic and scriptural instruction and also that it was supported by an annual payment of £13 from “the county”. Many thanks also to your Fermanagh friend for generosity sharing his knowledge of the school and the names of masters. It's great to receive confirmation that I have't yet "lost the plot".
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I received the information below from a friend in County Fermanagh - he wrote about:Enniskillen Gaol as follows:

"I suspect that literacy was the main thing that was taught in the gaol. The pupils were mostly adults. Sentences were generally quite short as people would be transported for serious offences.. William Hunter school-master and his wife as nurse retired in 1857 after 34 years' service. The report said that they should have retired seven years previously. He died the following year aged 95 so I suspect neither was very active or efficient. James MacMullen succeeded Hunter and was described as schoolmaster and clerk of the gaol. In 1865 the position of schoolmaster/turnkey was advertised. I know of a couple of children who were born in the jail (from the RC baptism register) but I don't think their mothers would have been in jail,long enough for them to reach school age. There was also a school in the workhouse.

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Aaaah .. interesting …a touch of rehabilitation!

Many thanks.

James

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The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names.

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Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils?

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In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too.

Elwyn

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Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.

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Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail.
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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect
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Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:
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Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense.

Karen Miller

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school

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Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by:
Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)
Enniskillen:
The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ??

James

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Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school.

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well?

Karen Miller

Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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Karen,
Please refer to both Evelyn's and my responses
Len Swindley

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Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense.

Karen Miller

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All very fascinating and I bow to the wisdom of the historians. It does, however, prompt the imagination: were the school’s pupils/students the children of gaol inmates? Did they live in the gaol as well, with their parents (fathers/mothers) ? Interesting from a social perspective, how it all must have worked.

James

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Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by:
Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)
Enniskillen:
The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ??

James

Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below:

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well?

Karen Miller

Wilmette, Illinois, USA

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Thank you for your sleuthing Evelyn! There was little doubt as to the accuracy of the of inclusion of the Gaol (Jail) School as it was contained in a House of Commons, Westminster, report. Additionally, it was stated that instruction was offered in reading, writing, arithmetic and scriptural instruction and also that it was supported by an annual payment of £13 from “the county”. Many thanks also to your Fermanagh friend for generosity sharing his knowledge of the school and the names of masters. It's great to receive confirmation that I have't yet "lost the plot". Kind regards, Len Swindley ________________________________ From: EVELYN CARDWELL via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2024 3:41 AM To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com>; Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School I received the information below from a friend in County Fermanagh - he wrote about:Enniskillen Gaol as follows: "I suspect that literacy was the main thing that was taught in the gaol. The pupils were mostly adults. Sentences were generally quite short as people would be transported for serious offences.. William Hunter school-master and his wife as nurse retired in 1857 after 34 years' service. The report said that they should have retired seven years previously. He died the following year aged 95 so I suspect neither was very active or efficient. James MacMullen succeeded Hunter and was described as schoolmaster and clerk of the gaol. In 1865 the position of schoolmaster/turnkey was advertised. I know of a couple of children who were born in the jail (from the RC baptism register) but I don't think their mothers would have been in jail,long enough for them to reach school age. There was also a school in the workhouse. ------ Original Message ------ From: james@jameshuey.com To: ecardwell@btinternet.com; cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com Cc: elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, August 24th 2024, 15:14 Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School Aaaah .. interesting …a touch of rehabilitation! Many thanks. James From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 8:29 PM To: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>; James Huey <james@jameshuey.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School The pupils were the gaol inmates. These schools were operating at a time when very few prisoners could read and write, so this was felt to be beneficial to the system. Some of the parliamentary reports on prisons list the numbers participating, with occasional mentions of the school masters names. Evelyn Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me> On 24 Aug 2024, at 02:14, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Thanks, Elwyn … but that prompts the question: just who were the in-gaol school’s pupils? James From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2024 3:48 AM To: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Enniskillen Gaol School In my experience, in Ireland, children were not kept in prison. They would have been left with relatives or failing that the Poor Law system. And male and female prisoners would have been in separate jails/gaols too. Elwyn On Friday 23 August 2024 at 15:58:18 BST, Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Len Sweeney kindly sent me a condensed copy of the topic thread as I was having difficulty following it. I was glad to read the Cunningham snippet was from an article in JSTOR. I have access to that source through my public library but it doesn't open up for me automatically. James raised a question I hadn’t considered. Did the inmates' children live in prison along with their incarcerated parents? Could the GAOL school have been for them? Little Dorrit, in which a girl was born and raised in Marshalsea prison comes to mind. Dickens’ book was about 1855 I think. Not that far off from the date of the document discussed in this post. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion. Karen Miller Wilmette, Illinois, USA On Aug 23, 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> You can reach the person managing the list at cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." ================================= If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the other emails from your reply before sending. ================================= Today's Topics: 1. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (ECardwell) 2. Gaol School (Karen Miller) 3. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (Len Swindley) 4. Re: Gaol School (Len Swindley) 5. Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 (James Huey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:29:37 +0100 From: ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>, James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Message-ID: <454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com<mailto:454c838c-6b70-4a96-963b-7f46ffab182a@btinternet.com>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----PCTKJ5WCFSM4YSCZZ4CX5I36H3MMCG" Irish language medium schools are a very recent development. The word Gaol was/is an alternative spelling for jail. IncidentallyJohn Cunningham is a well recognised Fermanagh historian, his numerous books are a very good resource for anyone interested in the history of County Fermanagh. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On 22 Aug 2024, 01:25, at 01:25, James Huey via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? Karen Miller Wilmette, Illinois, USA Sent from my iPad On 21 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com>> You can reach the person managing the list at cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." ================================= If you wish to respond to one particular email, please remove all the other emails from your reply before sending. ================================= Today's Topics: 1. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 17020 bytes Desc: not available ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:30:21 -0500 From: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gaol School To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Message-ID: <C3C54544-CE39-446D-8546-F9E0ACAC24FA@comcast.net<mailto:C3C54544-CE39-446D-8546-F9E0ACAC24FA@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense. Karen Miller Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:34:20 +0000 From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>>, CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>, James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>, EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Message-ID: <SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR<mailto:SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> P216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SL2P216MB2047FF3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_SL2P216MB2047FF 3FFEE6C602B325FA0CE08F2SL2P216MB2047KORP_"; type="multipart/alternative" Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by: Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) Enniskillen: The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:24 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF47D.6AD6C3C0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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New Content - Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 (James McKane) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 04:48:11 -0400 From: James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com%3cmailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Message-ID: <r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com%3cmailto:CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com">CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CADP7HviAk_8nEeVXGT+r_Ex-Ew-a3Yv6pyiyuccvFHGbuN1qLw@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005daac30620197e47" Schools in Enniskillen Parish, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland 1835 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/enniskillen.html> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 49677 bytes Desc: image001.png ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:36:05 +0000 From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Gaol School To: "cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Message-ID: <SL2P216MB20474BF4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR<mailto:SL2P216MB20474BF4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> P216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SL2P216MB20474BF4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2@SL2P216MB2047.KOR%0bP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SL2P216MB20474B F4D88F44B73339C9D1E08F2SL2P216MB2047KORP_" Karen, Please refer to both Evelyn's and my responses Len Swindley ________________________________ From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:30 PM To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller <karenamiller@comcast.net<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gaol School Thanks to Liam for clarifying the meaning of the word “Gaol” in the list of Enniskillen schools. Makes much more sense. Karen Miller Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2024, at 2:30 AM, cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist-request@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: This is a Gaelscoil. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2347 bytes Desc: not available ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:51:15 +0000 From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 To: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>, CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>, James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>, EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Message-ID: <SYYP282MB1246B799F8523E2C85192793B48F2@SYYP282MB1246.AUS<mailto:SYYP282MB1246B799F8523E2C85192793B48F2@SYYP282MB1246.AUS%0bP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> P282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:SYYP282MB1246B799F8523E2C85192793B48F2@SYYP282MB1246.AUS%0bP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_SYYP282MB1246B7 99F8523E2C85192793B48F2SYYP282MB1246AUSP_"; type="multipart/alternative" All very fascinating and I bow to the wisdom of the historians. It does, however, prompt the imagination: were the school’s pupils/students the children of gaol inmates? Did they live in the gaol as well, with their parents (fathers/mothers) ? Interesting from a social perspective, how it all must have worked. James From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:34 PM To: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com>>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>; EVELYN CARDWELL <ecardwell@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardwell@btinternet.com>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Thanks for that Evelyn; your insights are always valued and Gaol was the only accepted form of spelling until recent years down here in Australia. And yes, there was indeed a school in the Enniskillen Gaol confirmed by: Extracted from Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) Enniskillen: The county gaol, built about 20 years since, is near the town, on the Dublin road: it. is on the radiating plan, with the governor’s house in the centre, and will contain 120 prisoners; the number of cells is 36, of which four are for females; and there are five day-rooms, seven airing yards, a treadmill, hospital, and school. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ________________________________ From: James Huey <james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com<mailto:james@jameshuey.com%3cmailto:james@jameshuey.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 10:24 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com%3cmailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com%3cmailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>> Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam’s explanation is more credible. Maybe Cunningham made an incorrect assumption ?? James From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 7:33 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com<mailto:jamckane@gmail.com%3cmailto:jamckane@gmail.com>>> Cc: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com%3cmailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 Liam, this is an incorrect assumption. Please refer to the snip below: Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia [cid:image001.png@01DAF4E5.3E3CEFC0] ________________________________ From: Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2024 6:14 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>>> Cc: Liam Ó Cuinn <mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com<mailto:mullach26@gmail.com%3cmailto:mullach26@gmail.com>>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 This is a Gaelscoil. Irish language medium school. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Karen Miller via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Dé Céadaoin 21 Lúnasa 2024 13:59 To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com%3cmailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Karen Miller<mailto:karenamiller@comcast.net> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 1564, Issue 1 I was startled to see a Gaol School mentioned in the list of schools in Enniskillen. I have not seen this type of entry in the other published lists. Does anyone know how or why this school was established? Were the students primarily adults or does this type of school imply children were incarcerated as well? 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