Dear all, There are two important sources of information that rarely get mentioned on this email list and which, for my research, have been amongst the most important. Perhaps not everyone is aware of them? The most important is the Transcripts of memorials of deeds, conveyances and wills, 1708-1929 These are available from your own computer on the FamilySearch web site. There are indexes for townlands and grantors (but not grantees). It can often be a pain to find the record even when you find its location from the index: there can be multiple volumes on the same microfilm and the transcripts are not necessarily in the right order (and the “page number” in the index is for the page in the original, not the same as the microfilm page number). The copperplate writing can take a bit of getting used to and often the image can be hard to read (nothing new for family history sleuths!). I have found key marriage agreements, house locations and wills here (including the Knoxes and Moffatts of Strabane, with locations of their properties to the nearest inch!). Most of my successes (often with the help of Carole Elliott) came from going through the townland indexes rather than through the grantor index, as my ancestors tended not to be wealthy enough to own land. The other source is only available at Family Search approved access locations. That is the Tenison Groves collection, a huge amount of transcribed information from various sources collected by a genealogist from 1863 to 1938 and including things that were burned in the 1922 fire. If you just go into the collection “cold” it can be very hard to find anything. I once discovered an alphabetical index to names on one of the microfilms, but on the slow computers at our nearest FamilySearch site it was impossible to find it again last time I looked (if anyone finds it, can you let me know?)! I am told that there is an index to parishes on Film 258520 and a more general index on 258521 (I haven’t been there for a couple of years to check), but these are indexes for TG’s original hard copy, not an index of where to find them in the microfilms. Again, Carole and I found crucial information on the Fermanagh Moffatts in this collection. Perhaps others have useful tips on accessing these two collections? Or others like them? If someone wanted a project, it would be fabulous to have a proper index for the Tenison Groves microfilms…… There must be so much more that I have yet to discover there. Finally, has anyone ever come across parish record transcripts for Strabane or Fivemiletown COI, other than going to PRONI? I would dearly love information from these. Best wishes Roger

I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past.  It was easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some wonderful material. Kerrie On 18/01/2022 11:17 am, Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList wrote: > > Dear all, > > There are two important sources of information that rarely get > mentioned on this email list and which, for my research, have been > amongst the most important.  Perhaps not everyone is aware of them?  > The most important is the Transcripts of memorials of deeds, > conveyances and wills, 1708-1929These are available from your own > computer on the FamilySearch web site.  There are indexes for > townlands and grantors (but not grantees).  It can often be a pain to > find the record even when you find its location from the index: there > can be multiple volumes on the same microfilm and the transcripts are > not necessarily in the right order (and the “page number” in the index > is for the page in the original, not the same as the microfilm page > number).  The copperplate writing can take a bit of getting used to > and often the image can be hard to read (nothing new for family > history sleuths!).  I have found key marriage agreements, house > locations and wills here (including the Knoxes and Moffatts of > Strabane, with locations of their properties to the nearest inch!).  > Most of my successes (often with the help of Carole Elliott) came from > going through the townland indexes rather than through the grantor > index, as my ancestors tended not to be wealthy enough to own land. > > The other source is only available at Family Search approved access > locations.  That is the Tenison Groves collection, a huge amount of > transcribed information from various sources collected by a > genealogist from 1863 to 1938 and including things that were burned in > the 1922 fire.  If you just go into the collection “cold” it can be > very hard to find anything.  I once discovered an alphabetical index > to names on one of the microfilms, but on the slow computers at our > nearest FamilySearch site it was impossible to find it again last time > I looked (if anyone finds it, can you let me know?)!  I am told that > there is an index to parishes on Film 258520 and a more general index > on 258521 (I haven’t been there for a couple of years to check), but > these are indexes for TG’s original hard copy, not an index of where > to find them in the microfilms.  Again, Carole and I found crucial > information on the Fermanagh Moffatts in this collection. > > Perhaps others have useful tips on accessing these two collections? Or > others like them? If someone wanted a project, it would be fabulous to > have a proper index for the Tenison Groves microfilms……  There must be > so much more that I have yet to discover there. > > Finally, has anyone ever come across parish record transcripts for > Strabane or Fivemiletown COI, other than going to PRONI?  I would > dearly love information from these. > > Best wishes > > Roger > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List -cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive -https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to -cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to -cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to -cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

That's interesting Kerrie.  Does it give access to the original handwritten notes?  If so, I might be persuaded to renew my subscription. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On 18 Jan 2022, 01:01, at 01:01, Kerrie Alexander via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past.  It was easy > >to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some wonderful >material. > >Kerrie > >On 18/01/2022 11:17 am, Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> There are two important sources of information that rarely get >> mentioned on this email list and which, for my research, have been >> amongst the most important.  Perhaps not everyone is aware of them?  >> The most important is the Transcripts of memorials of deeds, >> conveyances and wills, 1708-1929These are available from your own >> computer on the FamilySearch web site.  There are indexes for >> townlands and grantors (but not grantees).  It can often be a pain to > >> find the record even when you find its location from the index: there > >> can be multiple volumes on the same microfilm and the transcripts are > >> not necessarily in the right order (and the “page number” in the >index >> is for the page in the original, not the same as the microfilm page >> number).  The copperplate writing can take a bit of getting used to >> and often the image can be hard to read (nothing new for family >> history sleuths!).  I have found key marriage agreements, house >> locations and wills here (including the Knoxes and Moffatts of >> Strabane, with locations of their properties to the nearest inch!).  >> Most of my successes (often with the help of Carole Elliott) came >from >> going through the townland indexes rather than through the grantor >> index, as my ancestors tended not to be wealthy enough to own land. >> >> The other source is only available at Family Search approved access >> locations.  That is the Tenison Groves collection, a huge amount of >> transcribed information from various sources collected by a >> genealogist from 1863 to 1938 and including things that were burned >in >> the 1922 fire.  If you just go into the collection “cold” it can be >> very hard to find anything.  I once discovered an alphabetical index >> to names on one of the microfilms, but on the slow computers at our >> nearest FamilySearch site it was impossible to find it again last >time >> I looked (if anyone finds it, can you let me know?)!  I am told that >> there is an index to parishes on Film 258520 and a more general index > >> on 258521 (I haven’t been there for a couple of years to check), but >> these are indexes for TG’s original hard copy, not an index of where >> to find them in the microfilms.  Again, Carole and I found crucial >> information on the Fermanagh Moffatts in this collection. >> >> Perhaps others have useful tips on accessing these two collections? >Or >> others like them? If someone wanted a project, it would be fabulous >to >> have a proper index for the Tenison Groves microfilms……  There must >be >> so much more that I have yet to discover there. >> >> Finally, has anyone ever come across parish record transcripts for >> Strabane or Fivemiletown COI, other than going to PRONI?  I would >> dearly love information from these. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Roger >> >> >> ================================= >> Send a Message to the List -cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >> List Archive >-https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >> Join the list by sending an email to >-cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to >-cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to >-cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> ================================= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - >cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >=================================

 I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past.  It was
 easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some
 wonderful material.

 Kerrie

I went onto Find My Past and I couldn't find it either.  I have emailed them and hopefully will have an answer soon. I could have it muddled up with the Bentham Genealogical Collection on FMP.  See attached blurb from FMP.  This is similar I think.  The easiest way to find it is to do a search on Christopher McGrigor [Ireland] and Bentham is the top entry.  Click on this and the notebook comes up.  I ended up scrolling through every page of the notebook and did find family entries. Two other similar Irish collections are the Crossle & Thrift collections.  See info from FMP attached. If anyone knows how to search in one collection of records in FMP can they let me know.  I can do this in Ancestry but I can't work out how to do it in FMP. Hope this helps and sorry if I have led you astray. Kerrie On 18/01/2022 9:26 pm, ECardwell via CoTyroneList wrote: > That's interesting Kerrie.  Does it give access to the original > handwritten notes?  If so, I might be persuaded to renew my subscription. > > Evelyn > > Get BlueMail for Android <https://bluemail.me> > On 18 Jan 2022, at 01:01, Kerrie Alexander via CoTyroneList > <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past.  It was > easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some > wonderful material. > > Kerrie > >

 I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past.  It
 was easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some
 wonderful material.

 Kerrie

Sorry the spelling should be Betham. On 19/01/2022 8:28 am, Kerrie Alexander wrote: > I went onto Find My Past and I couldn't find it either.  I have > emailed them and hopefully will have an answer soon. > I could have it muddled up with the Bentham Genealogical Collection on > FMP.  See attached blurb from FMP.  This is similar I think.  The > easiest way to find it is to do a search on Christopher McGrigor > [Ireland] and Bentham is the top entry. Click on this and the notebook > comes up.  I ended up scrolling through every page of the notebook and > did find family entries. > Two other similar Irish collections are the Crossle & Thrift > collections.  See info from FMP attached. > > If anyone knows how to search in one collection of records in FMP can > they let me know.  I can do this in Ancestry but I can't work out how > to do it in FMP. > > Hope this helps and sorry if I have led you astray. > Kerrie > > On 18/01/2022 9:26 pm, ECardwell via CoTyroneList wrote: >> That's interesting Kerrie.  Does it give access to the original >> handwritten notes?  If so, I might be persuaded to renew my subscription. >> >> Evelyn >> >> Get BlueMail for Android <https://bluemail.me> >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 01:01, Kerrie Alexander via CoTyroneList >> <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> >> I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past.  It >> was easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some >> wonderful material. >> >> Kerrie >> >> >

Go to FindMyPast Click on Search at the top of the screen Select the middle box “Search All Record Sets” Type Betham in the box Cheers Fiona Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Kerrie Alexander via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2022 5:28 AM To: cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Kerrie Alexander<mailto:kerriea@aapt.net.au> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tenison Groves collection I went onto Find My Past and I couldn't find it either. I have emailed them and hopefully will have an answer soon. I could have it muddled up with the Bentham Genealogical Collection on FMP. See attached blurb from FMP. This is similar I think. The easiest way to find it is to do a search on Christopher McGrigor [Ireland] and Bentham is the top entry. Click on this and the notebook comes up. I ended up scrolling through every page of the notebook and did find family entries. Two other similar Irish collections are the Crossle & Thrift collections. See info from FMP attached. If anyone knows how to search in one collection of records in FMP can they let me know. I can do this in Ancestry but I can't work out how to do it in FMP. Hope this helps and sorry if I have led you astray. Kerrie On 18/01/2022 9:26 pm, ECardwell via CoTyroneList wrote: That's interesting Kerrie. Does it give access to the original handwritten notes? If so, I might be persuaded to renew my subscription. Evelyn Get BlueMail for Android<https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbluemail.me%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfe57e01d45e54de4087408d9dac980dc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637781381292314267%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ZHHJDa7%2Bjsq2aFfG9dc6CcAu2PPxrIjasRxAntrp7LY%3D&reserved=0> On 18 Jan 2022, at 01:01, Kerrie Alexander via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past. It was easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some wonderful material. Kerrie

Thank you. That is good info. RCPeterson Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2022, at 5:26 AM, ECardwell via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >  > That's interesting Kerrie. Does it give access to the original handwritten notes? If so, I might be persuaded to renew my subscription. > > Evelyn > > Get BlueMail for Android >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 01:01, Kerrie Alexander via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> I have used the Tenison Groves collection on Find My Past. It was easy to use as it was all indexed and I agree it has some wonderful material. >> >> Kerrie >> >>> On 18/01/2022 11:17 am, Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> There are two important sources of information that rarely get mentioned on this email list and which, for my research, have been amongst the most important. Perhaps not everyone is aware of them? The most important is the Transcripts of memorials of deeds, conveyances and wills, 1708-1929 These are available from your own computer on the FamilySearch web site. There are indexes for townlands and grantors (but not grantees). It can often be a pain to find the record even when you find its location from the index: there can be multiple volumes on the same microfilm and the transcripts are not necessarily in the right order (and the “page number” in the index is for the page in the original, not the same as the microfilm page number). The copperplate writing can take a bit of getting used to and often the image can be hard to read (nothing new for family history sleuths!). I have found key marriage agreements, house locations and wills here (including the Knoxes and Moffatts of Strabane, with locations of their properties to the nearest inch!). Most of my successes (often with the help of Carole Elliott) came from going through the townland indexes rather than through the grantor index, as my ancestors tended not to be wealthy enough to own land. >>> >>> >>> The other source is only available at Family Search approved access locations. That is the Tenison Groves collection, a huge amount of transcribed information from various sources collected by a genealogist from 1863 to 1938 and including things that were burned in the 1922 fire. If you just go into the collection “cold” it can be very hard to find anything. I once discovered an alphabetical index to names on one of the microfilms, but on the slow computers at our nearest FamilySearch site it was impossible to find it again last time I looked (if anyone finds it, can you let me know?)! I am told that there is an index to parishes on Film 258520 and a more general index on 258521 (I haven’t been there for a couple of years to check), but these are indexes for TG’s original hard copy, not an index of where to find them in the microfilms. Again, Carole and I found crucial information on the Fermanagh Moffatts in this collection. >>> >>> >>> Perhaps others have useful tips on accessing these two collections? Or others like them? If someone wanted a project, it would be fabulous to have a proper index for the Tenison Groves microfilms…… There must be so much more that I have yet to discover there. >>> >>> >>> Finally, has anyone ever come across parish record transcripts for Strabane or Fivemiletown COI, other than going to PRONI? I would dearly love information from these. >>> Best wishes >>> Roger >>> >>> >>> ================================= >>> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >>> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >>> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >>> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >>> ================================= >> >> >> >> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> >> > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================