Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze

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sean t
Mon, Apr 29, 2019 10:30 PM

I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented
itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates going
from working to seized mid use.  Clutch lever went from perfectly normal to
hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps four
or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on a
dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big cylinder
Duc).
I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid.  Line is clear.  Checked the slave and
the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was
rebuilt 2 years ago).  Rod spins in bearing fine.  Pulled out springs and
pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with
plates, basket etc.  Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or
disengage clutch.  I'm stumped.  And this 21 year old needs a run!
If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution...
Sean

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I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates going from working to seized mid use. Clutch lever went from perfectly normal to hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps four or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on a dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big cylinder Duc). I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid. Line is clear. Checked the slave and the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was rebuilt 2 years ago). Rod spins in bearing fine. Pulled out springs and pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with plates, basket etc. Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or disengage clutch. I'm stumped. And this 21 year old needs a run! If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution... Sean -----Original Message----- From: Larry Webb via Ducati Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM To: Ducati Owners Group Cc: Larry Webb Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com
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Bob Ryan
Tue, Apr 30, 2019 12:02 AM

Just a guess:

Warped plate altering the stack height?

-Bob

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t sftompkins@gmail.com wrote:

I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented
itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates
going
from working to seized mid use.  Clutch lever went from perfectly normal
to
hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps
four
or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on
a
dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big
cylinder
Duc).
I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid.  Line is clear.  Checked the slave
and
the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was
rebuilt 2 years ago).  Rod spins in bearing fine.  Pulled out springs and
pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with
plates, basket etc.  Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or
disengage clutch.  I'm stumped.  And this 21 year old needs a run!
If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution...
Sean

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Just a guess: Warped plate altering the stack height? -Bob On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: > I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented > itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates > going > from working to seized mid use. Clutch lever went from perfectly normal > to > hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps > four > or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on > a > dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big > cylinder > Duc). > I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid. Line is clear. Checked the slave > and > the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was > rebuilt 2 years ago). Rod spins in bearing fine. Pulled out springs and > pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with > plates, basket etc. Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or > disengage clutch. I'm stumped. And this 21 year old needs a run! > If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution... > Sean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Webb via Ducati > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM > To: Ducati Owners Group > Cc: Larry Webb > Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ryanr256@gmail.com >
JS
J Scott Rothermel
Tue, Apr 30, 2019 1:13 AM

Bypass/return port in the M/c plugged/blocked.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Bob Ryan ryanr256@gmail.com wrote:

Just a guess:

Warped plate altering the stack height?

-Bob

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t sftompkins@gmail.com wrote:

I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented
itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates
going
from working to seized mid use.  Clutch lever went from perfectly normal
to
hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps
four
or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on
a
dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big
cylinder
Duc).
I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid.  Line is clear.  Checked the slave
and
the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was
rebuilt 2 years ago).  Rod spins in bearing fine.  Pulled out springs and
pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with
plates, basket etc.  Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or
disengage clutch.  I'm stumped.  And this 21 year old needs a run!
If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution...
Sean

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From: Larry Webb via Ducati
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group
Cc: Larry Webb
Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze

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Bypass/return port in the M/c plugged/blocked. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Bob Ryan <ryanr256@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just a guess: > > Warped plate altering the stack height? > > -Bob > >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented >> itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates >> going >> from working to seized mid use. Clutch lever went from perfectly normal >> to >> hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps >> four >> or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on >> a >> dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big >> cylinder >> Duc). >> I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid. Line is clear. Checked the slave >> and >> the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was >> rebuilt 2 years ago). Rod spins in bearing fine. Pulled out springs and >> pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with >> plates, basket etc. Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or >> disengage clutch. I'm stumped. And this 21 year old needs a run! >> If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution... >> Sean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Webb via Ducati >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM >> To: Ducati Owners Group >> Cc: Larry Webb >> Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ryanr256@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: jsratcas@aol.com
TP
Tony Pagliaroli
Tue, Apr 30, 2019 1:38 AM

Notched clutch basket impeding the plates moving?

On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Bob Ryan ryanr256@gmail.com wrote:

Just a guess:

Warped plate altering the stack height?

-Bob

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t sftompkins@gmail.com wrote:

I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented
itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates
going
from working to seized mid use.  Clutch lever went from perfectly normal
to
hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps
four
or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on
a
dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big
cylinder
Duc).
I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid.  Line is clear.  Checked the slave
and
the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was
rebuilt 2 years ago).  Rod spins in bearing fine.  Pulled out springs and
pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with
plates, basket etc.  Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or
disengage clutch.  I'm stumped.  And this 21 year old needs a run!
If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution...
Sean

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From: Larry Webb via Ducati
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group
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Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze

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Notched clutch basket impeding the plates moving? > On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Bob Ryan <ryanr256@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just a guess: > > Warped plate altering the stack height? > > -Bob > >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented >> itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates >> going >> from working to seized mid use. Clutch lever went from perfectly normal >> to >> hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps >> four >> or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on >> a >> dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big >> cylinder >> Duc). >> I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid. Line is clear. Checked the slave >> and >> the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was >> rebuilt 2 years ago). Rod spins in bearing fine. Pulled out springs and >> pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with >> plates, basket etc. Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or >> disengage clutch. I'm stumped. And this 21 year old needs a run! >> If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution... >> Sean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Webb via Ducati >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM >> To: Ducati Owners Group >> Cc: Larry Webb >> Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ryanr256@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com
MB
Mario Baroz
Tue, Apr 30, 2019 12:26 PM

I had the exact same symptoms.  I pulled everything apart on my 900SS as you guys did and sure enough, my plates were stuck together.  I did put it away after a wet ride and then didn't ride it for a while.  I separated them, sanded them down, then put everything back together.  I put new fluid in but no matter what I did or how long I pump the Mity-Vac, the dang thing wouldn't bleed.  Over the course of a week I took it all apart again, cleaned everything, checked everything, tried bleeding it, bleeding it, bleeding it.  Finally, I threw in the towel and took it to the dealer.  The tech took the bike, had it for about 10 minutes, came in and said he was just about done.  He said the MC was dirty and clogged.  DOH! I never thought to check that!  He cleaned it out and was bleeding the system.  Another 15 minutes and he was all done.

So yes, the plates can stick together and you will either need new ones or just sand down the old ones. But probably what you have is a clogged up MC.

Oh, BTW, after having owned this bike for over 23 years, while doing all the aforementioned clutch maintenance/trouble shooting, I learned a new trick on how to make the clutch pull easier .  I used to have an aftermarket billet slave cylinder and that did make it easier but the O-rings kept leaking so I switched it back to a stock one, with the stock he-man clutch pull.  When I reassembled my clutch, instead of putting all the springs and buttons back on, I left off three.  It reduces the clutch pull just as much as an aftermarket slave cylinder. I've ridden several hundred miles with it like that with no problem.  Excuse me if this trick has been expounded on before and is old knowledge, it was new to me!  hahahahaha...  I can't think of any negative side effects of doing this...are there?

Safe riding y'all!

Mario


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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze

Notched clutch basket impeding the plates moving?

On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Bob Ryan ryanr256@gmail.com wrote:

Just a guess:

Warped plate altering the stack height?

-Bob

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t sftompkins@gmail.com wrote:

I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented
itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates
going
from working to seized mid use.  Clutch lever went from perfectly normal
to
hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps
four
or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on
a
dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big
cylinder
Duc).
I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid.  Line is clear.  Checked the slave
and
the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was
rebuilt 2 years ago).  Rod spins in bearing fine.  Pulled out springs and
pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with
plates, basket etc.  Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or
disengage clutch.  I'm stumped.  And this 21 year old needs a run!
If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution...
Sean

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I had the exact same symptoms. I pulled everything apart on my 900SS as you guys did and sure enough, my plates were stuck together. I did put it away after a wet ride and then didn't ride it for a while. I separated them, sanded them down, then put everything back together. I put new fluid in but no matter what I did or how long I pump the Mity-Vac, the dang thing wouldn't bleed. Over the course of a week I took it all apart again, cleaned everything, checked everything, tried bleeding it, bleeding it, bleeding it. Finally, I threw in the towel and took it to the dealer. The tech took the bike, had it for about 10 minutes, came in and said he was just about done. He said the MC was dirty and clogged. DOH! I never thought to check that! He cleaned it out and was bleeding the system. Another 15 minutes and he was all done. So yes, the plates can stick together and you will either need new ones or just sand down the old ones. But probably what you have is a clogged up MC. Oh, BTW, after having owned this bike for over 23 years, while doing all the aforementioned clutch maintenance/trouble shooting, I learned a new trick on how to make the clutch pull easier . I used to have an aftermarket billet slave cylinder and that did make it easier but the O-rings kept leaking so I switched it back to a stock one, with the stock he-man clutch pull. When I reassembled my clutch, instead of putting all the springs and buttons back on, I left off three. It reduces the clutch pull just as much as an aftermarket slave cylinder. I've ridden several hundred miles with it like that with no problem. Excuse me if this trick has been expounded on before and is old knowledge, it was new to me! hahahahaha... I can't think of any negative side effects of doing this...are there? Safe riding y'all! Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:38 PM To: Ducati Owners Group Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze Notched clutch basket impeding the plates moving? > On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Bob Ryan <ryanr256@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just a guess: > > Warped plate altering the stack height? > > -Bob > >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented >> itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates >> going >> from working to seized mid use. Clutch lever went from perfectly normal >> to >> hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps >> four >> or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy on >> a >> dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big >> cylinder >> Duc). >> I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid. Line is clear. Checked the slave >> and >> the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was >> rebuilt 2 years ago). Rod spins in bearing fine. Pulled out springs and >> pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with >> plates, basket etc. Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze or >> disengage clutch. I'm stumped. And this 21 year old needs a run! >> If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution... >> Sean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Webb via Ducati >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM >> To: Ducati Owners Group >> Cc: Larry Webb >> Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630065324&amp;sdata=os5ZcgtVy83P%2Btu4vkPzawOVjvMoB6hAPSb4mDGhxHs%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> and >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630065324&amp;sdata=cBfKIc6qbbss6BwKf31paSDf%2BKOvIAcLOuVzuVfY%2FRk%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=EZfH1KJ9Imzo2Yzv7fYtjx8%2BIoySipelI70xowwOy0E%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=owXrOBybaxJHJx8iVTwKl2xkzgpUUOARQXnKzw7w1gQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> and >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=Goa9%2BDXBy8scK2J3XCyQ8ZBJEX2DrJnv9W9c4unweII%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=EZfH1KJ9Imzo2Yzv7fYtjx8%2BIoySipelI70xowwOy0E%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> Mailto: ryanr256@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=owXrOBybaxJHJx8iVTwKl2xkzgpUUOARQXnKzw7w1gQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 > and > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=Goa9%2BDXBy8scK2J3XCyQ8ZBJEX2DrJnv9W9c4unweII%3D&amp;reserved=0 > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=92%2F634cGL5meYrzYTnB3jp3ndFn%2B5DCAE9OJhxzndnU%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=%2BJ%2FhI623S8K3X1kNvFskDKHTCVDWq8xN0ce7NYBBi7Y%3D&amp;reserved=0 and https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=ZBShUmec1qrzBcNIwJ55mxwY3bFz9OsI7ghu2fwf5pg%3D&amp;reserved=0 _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=92%2F634cGL5meYrzYTnB3jp3ndFn%2B5DCAE9OJhxzndnU%3D&amp;reserved=0 Mailto: mariobaroz@hotmail.com
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sean t
Tue, Apr 30, 2019 3:32 PM

Thanks for all the input.  The plates and basket on mine have not had
attention in several eons, so basket is definitely notched and plates
certainly could be warped and/or stuck (though I was riding as normal at the
time, and it hasn't been out in the rain in a long time either).  Nut was
not backed out.  My first step was to clean and rebuild the m/c, and it
moves the slave piston with little effort, so that doesn't seem to be it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario Baroz
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:26 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze

I had the exact same symptoms.  I pulled everything apart on my 900SS as you
guys did and sure enough, my plates were stuck together.  I did put it away
after a wet ride and then didn't ride it for a while.  I separated them,
sanded them down, then put everything back together.  I put new fluid in but
no matter what I did or how long I pump the Mity-Vac, the dang thing
wouldn't bleed.  Over the course of a week I took it all apart again,
cleaned everything, checked everything, tried bleeding it, bleeding it,
bleeding it.  Finally, I threw in the towel and took it to the dealer.  The
tech took the bike, had it for about 10 minutes, came in and said he was
just about done.  He said the MC was dirty and clogged.  DOH! I never
thought to check that!  He cleaned it out and was bleeding the system.
Another 15 minutes and he was all done.

So yes, the plates can stick together and you will either need new ones or
just sand down the old ones. But probably what you have is a clogged up MC.

Oh, BTW, after having owned this bike for over 23 years, while doing all the
aforementioned clutch maintenance/trouble shooting, I learned a new trick on
how to make the clutch pull easier .  I used to have an aftermarket billet
slave cylinder and that did make it easier but the O-rings kept leaking so I
switched it back to a stock one, with the stock he-man clutch pull.  When I
reassembled my clutch, instead of putting all the springs and buttons back
on, I left off three.  It reduces the clutch pull just as much as an
aftermarket slave cylinder. I've ridden several hundred miles with it like
that with no problem.  Excuse me if this trick has been expounded on before
and is old knowledge, it was new to me!  hahahahaha...  I can't think of any
negative side effects of doing this...are there?

Safe riding y'all!

Mario


From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Tony Pagliaroli
ajpags@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Ducati Owners Group
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze

Notched clutch basket impeding the plates moving?

On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Bob Ryan ryanr256@gmail.com wrote:

Just a guess:

Warped plate altering the stack height?

-Bob

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t sftompkins@gmail.com wrote:

I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented
itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates
going
from working to seized mid use.  Clutch lever went from perfectly normal
to
hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps
four
or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy
on
a
dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big
cylinder
Duc).
I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid.  Line is clear.  Checked the slave
and
the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was
rebuilt 2 years ago).  Rod spins in bearing fine.  Pulled out springs and
pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with
plates, basket etc.  Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze
or
disengage clutch.  I'm stumped.  And this 21 year old needs a run!
If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution...
Sean

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From: Larry Webb via Ducati
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group
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Thanks for all the input. The plates and basket on mine have not had attention in several eons, so basket is definitely notched and plates certainly could be warped and/or stuck (though I was riding as normal at the time, and it hasn't been out in the rain in a long time either). Nut was not backed out. My first step was to clean and rebuild the m/c, and it moves the slave piston with little effort, so that doesn't seem to be it. -----Original Message----- From: Mario Baroz Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:26 AM To: Ducati Owners Group Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze I had the exact same symptoms. I pulled everything apart on my 900SS as you guys did and sure enough, my plates were stuck together. I did put it away after a wet ride and then didn't ride it for a while. I separated them, sanded them down, then put everything back together. I put new fluid in but no matter what I did or how long I pump the Mity-Vac, the dang thing wouldn't bleed. Over the course of a week I took it all apart again, cleaned everything, checked everything, tried bleeding it, bleeding it, bleeding it. Finally, I threw in the towel and took it to the dealer. The tech took the bike, had it for about 10 minutes, came in and said he was just about done. He said the MC was dirty and clogged. DOH! I never thought to check that! He cleaned it out and was bleeding the system. Another 15 minutes and he was all done. So yes, the plates can stick together and you will either need new ones or just sand down the old ones. But probably what you have is a clogged up MC. Oh, BTW, after having owned this bike for over 23 years, while doing all the aforementioned clutch maintenance/trouble shooting, I learned a new trick on how to make the clutch pull easier . I used to have an aftermarket billet slave cylinder and that did make it easier but the O-rings kept leaking so I switched it back to a stock one, with the stock he-man clutch pull. When I reassembled my clutch, instead of putting all the springs and buttons back on, I left off three. It reduces the clutch pull just as much as an aftermarket slave cylinder. I've ridden several hundred miles with it like that with no problem. Excuse me if this trick has been expounded on before and is old knowledge, it was new to me! hahahahaha... I can't think of any negative side effects of doing this...are there? Safe riding y'all! Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:38 PM To: Ducati Owners Group Subject: Re: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze Notched clutch basket impeding the plates moving? > On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Bob Ryan <ryanr256@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just a guess: > > Warped plate altering the stack height? > > -Bob > >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 18:31 sean t <sftompkins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am experiencing the same thing on a '98 ST2, but the issue presented >> itself while I was in the middle of a ride, so I can't see the plates >> going >> from working to seized mid use. Clutch lever went from perfectly normal >> to >> hard to pull to zero pull over the space of a few minutes (and perhaps >> four >> or five pulls) - I ended up riding home 50 miles without a clutch (easy >> on >> a >> dirt bike, but not too safe timing lights, and a challenge on a big >> cylinder >> Duc). >> I rebuilt the master - squirts fluid. Line is clear. Checked the slave >> and >> the piston pushes with lever pressure, and retracts pushing manually (was >> rebuilt 2 years ago). Rod spins in bearing fine. Pulled out springs and >> pressure plate and rod on clutch side and nothing different visually with >> plates, basket etc. Everything together, clutch lever will not squeeze >> or >> disengage clutch. I'm stumped. And this 21 year old needs a run! >> If someone has insight for Larry, I am also looking for a solution... >> Sean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Webb via Ducati >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:19 AM >> To: Ducati Owners Group >> Cc: Larry Webb >> Subject: [Ducati] Ducati Clutch lever wont squeeze >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630065324&amp;sdata=os5ZcgtVy83P%2Btu4vkPzawOVjvMoB6hAPSb4mDGhxHs%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> and >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630065324&amp;sdata=cBfKIc6qbbss6BwKf31paSDf%2BKOvIAcLOuVzuVfY%2FRk%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=EZfH1KJ9Imzo2Yzv7fYtjx8%2BIoySipelI70xowwOy0E%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=owXrOBybaxJHJx8iVTwKl2xkzgpUUOARQXnKzw7w1gQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> and >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=Goa9%2BDXBy8scK2J3XCyQ8ZBJEX2DrJnv9W9c4unweII%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=EZfH1KJ9Imzo2Yzv7fYtjx8%2BIoySipelI70xowwOy0E%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> Mailto: ryanr256@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=owXrOBybaxJHJx8iVTwKl2xkzgpUUOARQXnKzw7w1gQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 > and > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630075335&amp;sdata=Goa9%2BDXBy8scK2J3XCyQ8ZBJEX2DrJnv9W9c4unweII%3D&amp;reserved=0 > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=92%2F634cGL5meYrzYTnB3jp3ndFn%2B5DCAE9OJhxzndnU%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=%2BJ%2FhI623S8K3X1kNvFskDKHTCVDWq8xN0ce7NYBBi7Y%3D&amp;reserved=0 and https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=ZBShUmec1qrzBcNIwJ55mxwY3bFz9OsI7ghu2fwf5pg%3D&amp;reserved=0 _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.ducati.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fducati_list.ducati.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfae38063f574480983ee08d6cd0cabc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636921851630085340&amp;sdata=92%2F634cGL5meYrzYTnB3jp3ndFn%2B5DCAE9OJhxzndnU%3D&amp;reserved=0 Mailto: mariobaroz@hotmail.com To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: sftompkins@gmail.com