This discussion has been fascinating, and I would like to ask this community what I consider to be a few "practical questions" especially for a still-working-stiff like me :-) And, full disclosure - I am probably more amateur than most here... I sbsolutely have questions such as "How are the Johnstons connected, given my GG-GFather Joseph Johnston Knott is the first instance of Johnston in the Knott line?" and I'd love to know the answer to that -- and, I'm quite certain that I will never have full proof for the 850ish people in my tree - with probably about half of them crowd-sourced. 1. It seems like Ancestry / MyHeritage / etc. provide a notable bonus to people who have interest and don't have tons of time -> I've learned tons from these online tools, and even connected with a living relative in Ireland (whose G-G-Gma and mine were sisters) as a result -> While there is definitely cruft out there, there's also seemingly gold -> How does one capitalize on crowd-sourcing effectively without being "on a platform" as seems recommended by "get your own local software for your tree"? (and, this seems a good way to give back - others can choose if they like my info or not) 2. On MyHeritage for sure, and I think on Ancestry, "My Tree is My Tree" so no one else can edit "my data" which I am pretty darn sure is my data -> Family Search is certainly different, and while a very large dataset also feels less reliable -> That said, I received some great help from a Mormon volunteer when seeking to clarify something -> Is there an easy and practical way to keep data current on multiple sites? Or is it all hand-to-hand combat? 3. DNA seems like a way to prioritize research - if the chemistry is stronger, the likelihood of common ancestry is much higher -> Again, seems to cry out for being part of an online platform with my tree data -> What other smart options are there, or is this "the thing to do"? 4. For saving files locally, what are best practices? My choices thus far: -> Everything in one folder; use a naming convention that allows searching with asterisks to easily find 'all from a place' or 'with a name' -> Example: 1872-02-01-ElizaKnott-birth-Corramartin-Ballinamore.png 1877-02-14-SarahKnott-WifeOfJohnKnott-DEATH-Corramartin .PNG 1882-03-07-JamesMartinKnott-Corramartin -BAPTISM-OUTERAGH-ChurchOfIreland.PNG 5. How best to organize "partial information" for later sorting out who is actually whom? For example: -> Downloaded all RootsIreland (paid site) records with "Venables" -> Entered each name in Excel, with columns for First, Last, Father, Mother, Birth Date, Baptism Date, Baptism Church, Marriage Date, etc. -> Now, the hard part of making sense of it - is there a best practice?? These two blog articles seemed pretty helpful; sharing in case others might find them so as well: https://familyhistorydaily.com/genealogy-help-and-how-to/the-huge-genealogy-mistake-we-all-need-to-stop-now/ https://familyhistorydaily.com/genealogy-help-and-how-to/quit-attaching-records-to-family-tree/ While I understand the desire for purity espoused in the first article, for someone like me it's not practical given my objectives of learning more about where I and my family originated, and how some of us connect. The detective in me, I guess :-) The knowledge and sharing on this DL is quite inspiring, and enjoyable. Thanks for all who contribute, and any input folks might have about any of these topics!! Best, Dave Vanable (once upon a time Venables from County Tyrone) Rochester, NY ------ Original Message ------ From: "Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> To: "Tyrone Mail List" <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: "Gordon Wilkinson" <neredon@ozemail.com.au> Sent: 1/12/2022 7:07:40 PM Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: [EXT] Re: Family Trees >Well said, Jim! > >Gordon > >> >>Get your OWN software on your OWN computer! Then YOU have control! >> >>Jim >> >>Jim McKane >>Kitchener, Ontario >> >>

I was thinking along the same lines as Mary. Trees aside, I would just be happy to have a table that contained listers' email addresses (if they are willing), and a list of their surnames. If I did a surname search, it would not only show me instances that appear on the site but would also show me any members who had listed that surname, and then I could contact them directly. If there is a privacy concern, you could always use an alias email address. Pat G On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:44 AM M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the > trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all > that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. > > > > We could also list GEDmatch numbers. > > > > And, yes, I can help create the table! > > > > Mary > > > > PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission > to do so by having been granted ownership. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* James McKane via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM > *To:* Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; > CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > *Cc:* Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane < > jamckane@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees > > > > Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a > Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. > > > > Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end > which would have to be overcome - > > > > 1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping > dramatically! It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid > seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going > to cover ongoing expenses > > 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software > > 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this > area from a previous life......... it takes TIME > > 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend > anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and > Ancestry trees are > > > > Jim > > > > > > > Jim McKane > > Kitchener, Ontario > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living > relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard > skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give > the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most > productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and > contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been > immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from > 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. > I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and > still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) > when I get time. > > The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and > available only to select relatives. > > Gordon > > On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: > > I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently. > > > > Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree > data to the site? Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues > but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on > the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who > post them, not of CoTyroneIreland. > > > > Best regards > > > > Bill > > > > J W (Bill) Young > > +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) > > +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram) > > > > > > ================================= > > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================

Please nobody rely on the “trees” you find on Ancestry. Many of them are now fictitious because of people taking them for their own and adding their details in. Some of the trees now there are a real mess. You could try Family Search www.familysearch.org/ for better information. Advice. Do your own research!! Shirley Sent from Mail for Windows From: M L Jarvis via CoTyroneList Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 12:43 AM To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List'; 'Gordon Wilkinson' Cc: 'Gordon Wilkinson'; M L Jarvis Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Perhaps a page with a table that lists members who have trees, where the trees are located (Ancestry, etc.), and key surnames and locations is all that’s needed? Then individual members could be contacted directly. We could also list GEDmatch numbers. And, yes, I can help create the table! Mary PS Ancestry trees can’t be changed by others unless they have permission to do so by having been granted ownership. From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:22 AM To: Gordon Wilkinson <gordon.wilkinson@ozemail.com.au>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <neredon@ozemail.com.au>; James McKane <jamckane@gmail.com> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Family Trees Gordon - first, it is easy to eliminate living people when creating a Gedcom with most software so that is not an issue. Bill - while it seems like a good idea, there are a few issues on my end which would have to be overcome -  1) currently advertising revenues on the website have been dropping dramatically!  It appears many users are using "ad blockers" to avoid seeing the advertisements. If this continues I'm not sure how we are going to cover ongoing expenses 2) to load Gedcoms we need to purchase software 3) we need the time to manage said software as I have experience in this area from a previous life......... it takes TIME 4) I would not wish to manage a "live" site where people can amend anything as it soon becomes so polluted ......... like FamilySearch and Ancestry trees are Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:50 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: An interesting idea, Bill, but my data base has info on so many living relatives and notes on many who value their privacy (DNA data, cupboard skeletons, &c), so I've actually shut down my family web site and only give the barest of information on the site now. Having said that, the most productive info has come from distant relatives who have found and contacted me through the the original website. Those inputs have been immeasurably valuable. I pondered the thought of stripping details from 'living' names, and editing the relevant pages, but the task got too big. I've got around 8,500 names covering the ancestry of my grandchildren and still more names to enter (proffered by one of those distant relatives.) when I get time. The original website still exists, of course, as a local entity (8Gb) and available only to select relatives. Gordon On 12/01/2022 7:37 am, Bill Young via CoTyroneList wrote: I have seen a number of mails on family tree research recently.   Is there a move in this direction; and, if so, can we post family tree data to the site?  Provenance and accuracy are always going to be issues but it may be worth hosting current versions of members’ GEDCOM files on the understanding that they are the responsibility of the individuals who post them, not of CoTyroneIreland.    Best regards     Bill   J W (Bill) Young +41 76 391 6556 (WhatsApp & Signal) +44 74 2904 9955 (Telegram)   ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - cotyronelist-owner@list.cotyroneireland.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================