What's more exciting to watch, a pass where the passing rider clips the other rider's bike and throws him off course or into the gravel, or one where the passing rider perfectly threads the disappearing needle between the other rider and the edge of the track? I remember a WSB race at Laguna Seca some years ago, where a rider passed in between the two in front of him as they all went from the left hand part of the Corkscrew to the right hand part. It was perfectly executed and timed, otherwise, it would have been very ugly. I, on the other hand, managed to miss the turn in on the Corkscrew completely and ran across the dirt on just past the turn. Fortunately for me, no one was there on a correct line, or they would have T-boned me. On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 15:10, Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote: > I'm with Pags. > > > "I Know a Few Roads" > Patriot Guard Rider > AMA Charter Life Member #598925 > Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club > DUCATI.net Member > USDESMO Member #1263 > EX-MSF Instructor > EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club > > Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour > Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel > HD - 09' XR1200 > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, December 4, 2020 6:08 PM > *To:* Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> > *Subject:* [Ducati] Re: Marquez93 Screwed > > Go watch NASCAR if you're in it for the crashes. > > Personally, I hope MM retires. I wish him a long life, unencumbered by > injury. I'd love to see him support his brother to a championship, and I'd > love to see him have babies that grow up in the paddock, race and win > championships in my lifetime. > > This season was far from boring...sorry you feel that way. > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > He changed the benchmark. He was the person to beat. He’s an evolved rider > while the rest are doing the same old. Why do you want to watch same old > stuff over and over while Marquez93 pushes the limits and changes the > sport. This is why we ‘love Rossi, because he did the same. None of these > guys are ‘aliens. > > I really didn’t see anything spectacular about the 2020 season. Seriously, > compare the racing to the past with the greats like Biaggi Gibernau Pedrosa > Lorenzo Stoner Rossi and so on..swapping paint, unthinkable maneuvers.l etc > .. > > Now you hope for some action, but there’s only the first and last lap LOL. > Spectacular! > > Let me give you the formula for the mechanics of all existence to be > spectacular. > > Story(action/incidents)+Plot(series of events) > 1. Construction > 2. Complication > 3. Climax > 4. Completion > > > When zarco tried to kill Morbi as per pags, that was spectacular. The rest > of the show were just boooooring. Marquez73’s Aragon one off podium was > ok..nothing really special.. > > Other than that, I can’t recall anything that got me off my racing seat. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kevin Kachadourian < > kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > > Gosh, Lan, then I guess we'll all have to suffer along without your > regular and predictable diatribes about how MotoGP only exists to > demonstrate how ruthless - did I say "ruthless?" I meant "great." -how > great MM93 is, and how it is not worth watching without his competitor > punting and had-to-be-a-crash saves. Since you won't be watching MotoGP > anymore, of course you won't be joining any conversations about it. Maybe > someone else will step up to fill your riding boots. Not me, I suffer from > whatever that disability is that made me enjoy the racing this season. > > On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 19:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > Another surgery. 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I see them as modern ‘gladiators. Crashing is part of the game. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. They’re there for themselves and to entertain spectators like me. IMO, If they’re not entertaining me/spectators , then they’re not doing a good job. Going round and round in circles is not entertaining anymore, hence ‘it’s boring at times. I can just watch the qualifying if I want to see the speed and their incredible reflexes and abilities. I want to see action! Rossi-Lorenzo Cataluña , Rossi-Stoner CorkScrew type action. They’re just robots now. They talk like programmed computers. Where’s the whining, where’s the taking a jab at each other like real men. Why would you want Marquez93 to retire? Is it because you don’t agree to the way he rides? Don’t you want to see him get dethroned by another rider on the track? (Not due to injury) Tell us what you don’t like about the rider Because it’s hard to understand how to dislike the rider’s abilities. On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:08 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Go watch NASCAR if you're in it for the crashes. > > Personally, I hope MM retires. I wish him a long life, unencumbered by > injury. I'd love to see him support his brother to a championship, and I'd > love to see him have babies that grow up in the paddock, race and win > championships in my lifetime. > > This season was far from boring...sorry you feel that way. > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >> He changed the benchmark. He was the person to beat. He’s an evolved >> rider while the rest are doing the same old. Why do you want to watch same >> old stuff over and over while Marquez93 pushes the limits and changes the >> sport. This is why we ‘love Rossi, because he did the same. None of these >> guys are ‘aliens. >> >> I really didn’t see anything spectacular about the 2020 season. >> Seriously, compare the racing to the past with the greats like Biaggi >> Gibernau Pedrosa Lorenzo Stoner Rossi and so on..swapping paint, >> unthinkable maneuvers.l etc .. >> >> Now you hope for some action, but there’s only the first and last lap >> LOL. Spectacular! >> >> Let me give you the formula for the mechanics of all existence to be >> spectacular. >> >> Story(action/incidents)+Plot(series of events) >> 1. Construction >> 2. Complication >> 3. Climax >> 4. Completion >> >> >> When zarco tried to kill Morbi as per pags, that was spectacular. The >> rest of the show were just boooooring. Marquez73’s Aragon one off podium >> was ok..nothing really special.. >> >> Other than that, I can’t recall anything that got me off my racing seat. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kevin Kachadourian < >> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gosh, Lan, then I guess we'll all have to suffer along without your >>> regular and predictable diatribes about how MotoGP only exists to >>> demonstrate how ruthless - did I say "ruthless?" I meant "great." -how >>> great MM93 is, and how it is not worth watching without his competitor >>> punting and had-to-be-a-crash saves. Since you won't be watching MotoGP >>> anymore, of course you won't be joining any conversations about it. Maybe >>> someone else will step up to fill your riding boots. Not me, I suffer from >>> whatever that disability is that made me enjoy the racing this season. >>> >>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 19:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Another surgery. He’s screwed.. >>>> >>>> Yay more spectacular racing in 2021. >>>> >>>> NOT. >>>> >>>> . just a bunch of inconsistent riders.. Rather watch WSBK with >>>> consistent and action packed racing! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:31 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Knobbies on a flat track, strange. - Gene >>>>> >>>>> "I Know a Few Roads" >>>>> Patriot Guard Rider >>>>> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >>>>> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >>>>> DUCATI.net Member >>>>> USDESMO Member #1263 >>>>> EX-MSF Instructor >>>>> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >>>>> >>>>> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >>>>> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >>>>> HD - 09' XR1200 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* phil hitchcock via Ducati <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:58 PM >>>>> *To:* ducati list <ducati@ducati.net> >>>>> *Cc:* phil hitchcock <beveltracker@yahoo.com> >>>>> *Subject:* [Ducati] ducati winning >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> >>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ExsEhteB3mcm96OxZWY5QOMXFNNtOFaUiaQsK6YN994%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6AlVVqPTQObisc5Oe86fMxzZRLbKnR6LKpHahFWmFM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>> >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>> >>>> -- >>>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>> and >>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>> _____________________ >>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> -- >> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

Clearly you’re not paying close enough attention. The drama with Dovi this year, Jorge and Cal trading barbs. Alex getting fired before the first race. Pol losing his shit regularly. And Jack. Oh god who doesn’t love Jack? Not a huge MM fan but I respect the man and his skill. I explained why I want him to retire. I’d rather see my heroes grow old than see them maimed or dead. The amazing thing to me is THEY don’t think they’re there to entertain you. In fact they loathe the media/hype. Most of them anyway, but it’s part of the show. Maybe you should just go watch stunt riding instead? Pags > On Dec 5, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > I see them as modern ‘gladiators. Crashing is part of the game. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. > > They’re there for themselves and to entertain spectators like me. IMO, If they’re not entertaining me/spectators , then they’re not doing a good job. Going round and round in circles is not entertaining anymore, hence ‘it’s boring at times. I can just watch the qualifying if I want to see the speed and their incredible reflexes and abilities. I want to see action! Rossi-Lorenzo Cataluña , Rossi-Stoner CorkScrew type action. They’re just robots now. They talk like programmed computers. Where’s the whining, where’s the taking a jab at each other like real men. > > Why would you want Marquez93 to retire? Is it because you don’t agree to the way he rides? > Don’t you want to see him get dethroned by another rider on the track? (Not due to injury) > Tell us what you don’t like about the rider Because it’s hard to understand how to dislike the rider’s abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:08 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> Go watch NASCAR if you're in it for the crashes. >> >> Personally, I hope MM retires. I wish him a long life, unencumbered by injury. I'd love to see him support his brother to a championship, and I'd love to see him have babies that grow up in the paddock, race and win championships in my lifetime. >> >> This season was far from boring...sorry you feel that way. >> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>> He changed the benchmark. He was the person to beat. He’s an evolved rider while the rest are doing the same old. Why do you want to watch same old stuff over and over while Marquez93 pushes the limits and changes the sport. This is why we ‘love Rossi, because he did the same. None of these guys are ‘aliens. >>> >>> I really didn’t see anything spectacular about the 2020 season. Seriously, compare the racing to the past with the greats like Biaggi Gibernau Pedrosa Lorenzo Stoner Rossi and so on..swapping paint, unthinkable maneuvers.l etc .. >>> >>> Now you hope for some action, but there’s only the first and last lap LOL. Spectacular! >>> >>> Let me give you the formula for the mechanics of all existence to be spectacular. >>> >>> Story(action/incidents)+Plot(series of events) >>> 1. Construction >>> 2. Complication >>> 3. Climax >>> 4. Completion >>> >>> >>> When zarco tried to kill Morbi as per pags, that was spectacular. The rest of the show were just boooooring. Marquez73’s Aragon one off podium was ok..nothing really special.. >>> >>> Other than that, I can’t recall anything that got me off my racing seat. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Gosh, Lan, then I guess we'll all have to suffer along without your regular and predictable diatribes about how MotoGP only exists to demonstrate how ruthless - did I say "ruthless?" I meant "great." -how great MM93 is, and how it is not worth watching without his competitor punting and had-to-be-a-crash saves. Since you won't be watching MotoGP anymore, of course you won't be joining any conversations about it. Maybe someone else will step up to fill your riding boots. Not me, I suffer from whatever that disability is that made me enjoy the racing this season. >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 19:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Another surgery. He’s screwed.. >>>>> >>>>> Yay more spectacular racing in 2021. >>>>> >>>>> NOT. >>>>> >>>>> . just a bunch of inconsistent riders.. Rather watch WSBK with consistent and action packed racing! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:31 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>>> Knobbies on a flat track, strange. - Gene >>>>>> >>>>>> "I Know a Few Roads" >>>>>> Patriot Guard Rider >>>>>> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >>>>>> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >>>>>> DUCATI.net Member >>>>>> USDESMO Member #1263 >>>>>> EX-MSF Instructor >>>>>> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >>>>>> >>>>>> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >>>>>> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >>>>>> HD - 09' XR1200 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: phil hitchcock via Ducati <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:58 PM >>>>>> To: ducati list <ducati@ducati.net> >>>>>> Cc: phil hitchcock <beveltracker@yahoo.com> >>>>>> Subject: [Ducati] ducati winning >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ExsEhteB3mcm96OxZWY5QOMXFNNtOFaUiaQsK6YN994%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6AlVVqPTQObisc5Oe86fMxzZRLbKnR6LKpHahFWmFM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>> -- >>>>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>> and >>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>> _____________________ >>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>> -- >>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s

It doesn’t matter what they think. It’s a show. They’ve said it themselves.. “good for the show, good for the fans....” ..like I said , they do it for themselves, for money and passion. but without fans, without a good show, they will not be there. Eventually, no one will buy if one sells crap. They can be hypocrites all they want, but a w/o a good show, without media, fans, coverage, they’ll be nobody and no money . And what’s the point of them being there? Corporates will pay them million$ to have fun? Sure! As a good human being, I too don’t want them dead, injured, etc. But that’s their choice and they know the consequences. I don’t know them, I’m not related to them and life goes on. Whatever happens to them will not impact me personally. I paid my $120 MotoGp pass for entertainment, not for charity. On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 9:22 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Clearly you’re not paying close enough attention. The drama with Dovi this > year, Jorge and Cal trading barbs. Alex getting fired before the first > race. Pol losing his shit regularly. And Jack. Oh god who doesn’t love > Jack? > > Not a huge MM fan but I respect the man and his skill. I explained why I > want him to retire. I’d rather see my heroes grow old than see them maimed > or dead. > > The amazing thing to me is THEY don’t think they’re there to entertain > you. In fact they loathe the media/hype. Most of them anyway, but it’s > part of the show. > > Maybe you should just go watch stunt riding instead? > > Pags > > On Dec 5, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > > I see them as modern ‘gladiators. Crashing is part of the game. Anything > that can go wrong, will go wrong. > > They’re there for themselves and to entertain spectators like me. IMO, If > they’re not entertaining me/spectators , then they’re not doing a good job. > Going round and round in circles is not entertaining anymore, hence ‘it’s > boring at times. I can just watch the qualifying if I want to see the speed > and their incredible reflexes and abilities. I want to see action! > Rossi-Lorenzo Cataluña , Rossi-Stoner CorkScrew type action. They’re just > robots now. They talk like programmed computers. Where’s the whining, > where’s the taking a jab at each other like real men. > > Why would you want Marquez93 to retire? Is it because you don’t agree to > the way he rides? > Don’t you want to see him get dethroned by another rider on the track? > (Not due to injury) > Tell us what you don’t like about the rider Because it’s hard to > understand how to dislike the rider’s abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:08 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Go watch NASCAR if you're in it for the crashes. >> >> Personally, I hope MM retires. I wish him a long life, unencumbered by >> injury. I'd love to see him support his brother to a championship, and I'd >> love to see him have babies that grow up in the paddock, race and win >> championships in my lifetime. >> >> This season was far from boring...sorry you feel that way. >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> He changed the benchmark. He was the person to beat. He’s an evolved >>> rider while the rest are doing the same old. Why do you want to watch same >>> old stuff over and over while Marquez93 pushes the limits and changes the >>> sport. This is why we ‘love Rossi, because he did the same. None of these >>> guys are ‘aliens. >>> >>> I really didn’t see anything spectacular about the 2020 season. >>> Seriously, compare the racing to the past with the greats like Biaggi >>> Gibernau Pedrosa Lorenzo Stoner Rossi and so on..swapping paint, >>> unthinkable maneuvers.l etc .. >>> >>> Now you hope for some action, but there’s only the first and last lap >>> LOL. Spectacular! >>> >>> Let me give you the formula for the mechanics of all existence to be >>> spectacular. >>> >>> Story(action/incidents)+Plot(series of events) >>> 1. Construction >>> 2. Complication >>> 3. Climax >>> 4. Completion >>> >>> >>> When zarco tried to kill Morbi as per pags, that was spectacular. The >>> rest of the show were just boooooring. Marquez73’s Aragon one off podium >>> was ok..nothing really special.. >>> >>> Other than that, I can’t recall anything that got me off my racing seat. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kevin Kachadourian < >>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gosh, Lan, then I guess we'll all have to suffer along without your >>>> regular and predictable diatribes about how MotoGP only exists to >>>> demonstrate how ruthless - did I say "ruthless?" I meant "great." -how >>>> great MM93 is, and how it is not worth watching without his competitor >>>> punting and had-to-be-a-crash saves. Since you won't be watching MotoGP >>>> anymore, of course you won't be joining any conversations about it. Maybe >>>> someone else will step up to fill your riding boots. Not me, I suffer from >>>> whatever that disability is that made me enjoy the racing this season. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 19:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another surgery. He’s screwed.. >>>>> >>>>> Yay more spectacular racing in 2021. >>>>> >>>>> NOT. >>>>> >>>>> . just a bunch of inconsistent riders.. Rather watch WSBK with >>>>> consistent and action packed racing! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:31 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Knobbies on a flat track, strange. - Gene >>>>>> >>>>>> "I Know a Few Roads" >>>>>> Patriot Guard Rider >>>>>> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >>>>>> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >>>>>> DUCATI.net Member >>>>>> USDESMO Member #1263 >>>>>> EX-MSF Instructor >>>>>> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >>>>>> >>>>>> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >>>>>> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >>>>>> HD - 09' XR1200 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* phil hitchcock via Ducati <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:58 PM >>>>>> *To:* ducati list <ducati@ducati.net> >>>>>> *Cc:* phil hitchcock <beveltracker@yahoo.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* [Ducati] ducati winning >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ExsEhteB3mcm96OxZWY5QOMXFNNtOFaUiaQsK6YN994%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6AlVVqPTQObisc5Oe86fMxzZRLbKnR6LKpHahFWmFM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>> and >>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>> _____________________ >>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>> >>> -- >>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

Guess you’ll be unsubscribing then huh? > On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > It doesn’t matter what they think. It’s a show. They’ve said it themselves.. “good for the show, good for the fans....” > > ..like I said , they do it for themselves, for money and passion. but without fans, without a good show, they will not be there. > Eventually, no one will buy if one sells crap. > They can be hypocrites all they want, but a w/o a good show, without media, fans, coverage, they’ll be nobody and no money . And what’s the point of them being there? Corporates will > pay them million$ to have fun? Sure! > > As a good human being, I too don’t want them dead, injured, etc. But that’s their choice and they know the consequences. I don’t know them, I’m not related to them and life goes on. Whatever happens to them will not impact me personally. I paid my $120 MotoGp pass for entertainment, not for charity. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 9:22 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> Clearly you’re not paying close enough attention. The drama with Dovi this year, Jorge and Cal trading barbs. Alex getting fired before the first race. Pol losing his shit regularly. And Jack. Oh god who doesn’t love Jack? >> >> Not a huge MM fan but I respect the man and his skill. I explained why I want him to retire. I’d rather see my heroes grow old than see them maimed or dead. >> >> The amazing thing to me is THEY don’t think they’re there to entertain you. In fact they loathe the media/hype. Most of them anyway, but it’s part of the show. >> >> Maybe you should just go watch stunt riding instead? >> >> Pags >> >>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>  >> >>> I see them as modern ‘gladiators. Crashing is part of the game. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. >>> >>> They’re there for themselves and to entertain spectators like me. IMO, If they’re not entertaining me/spectators , then they’re not doing a good job. Going round and round in circles is not entertaining anymore, hence ‘it’s boring at times. I can just watch the qualifying if I want to see the speed and their incredible reflexes and abilities. I want to see action! Rossi-Lorenzo Cataluña , Rossi-Stoner CorkScrew type action. They’re just robots now. They talk like programmed computers. Where’s the whining, where’s the taking a jab at each other like real men. >>> >>> Why would you want Marquez93 to retire? Is it because you don’t agree to the way he rides? >>> Don’t you want to see him get dethroned by another rider on the track? (Not due to injury) >>> Tell us what you don’t like about the rider Because it’s hard to understand how to dislike the rider’s abilities. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:08 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Go watch NASCAR if you're in it for the crashes. >>>> >>>> Personally, I hope MM retires. I wish him a long life, unencumbered by injury. I'd love to see him support his brother to a championship, and I'd love to see him have babies that grow up in the paddock, race and win championships in my lifetime. >>>> >>>> This season was far from boring...sorry you feel that way. >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> He changed the benchmark. He was the person to beat. He’s an evolved rider while the rest are doing the same old. Why do you want to watch same old stuff over and over while Marquez93 pushes the limits and changes the sport. This is why we ‘love Rossi, because he did the same. None of these guys are ‘aliens. >>>>> >>>>> I really didn’t see anything spectacular about the 2020 season. Seriously, compare the racing to the past with the greats like Biaggi Gibernau Pedrosa Lorenzo Stoner Rossi and so on..swapping paint, unthinkable maneuvers.l etc .. >>>>> >>>>> Now you hope for some action, but there’s only the first and last lap LOL. Spectacular! >>>>> >>>>> Let me give you the formula for the mechanics of all existence to be spectacular. >>>>> >>>>> Story(action/incidents)+Plot(series of events) >>>>> 1. Construction >>>>> 2. Complication >>>>> 3. Climax >>>>> 4. Completion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When zarco tried to kill Morbi as per pags, that was spectacular. The rest of the show were just boooooring. Marquez73’s Aragon one off podium was ok..nothing really special.. >>>>> >>>>> Other than that, I can’t recall anything that got me off my racing seat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Gosh, Lan, then I guess we'll all have to suffer along without your regular and predictable diatribes about how MotoGP only exists to demonstrate how ruthless - did I say "ruthless?" I meant "great." -how great MM93 is, and how it is not worth watching without his competitor punting and had-to-be-a-crash saves. Since you won't be watching MotoGP anymore, of course you won't be joining any conversations about it. Maybe someone else will step up to fill your riding boots. Not me, I suffer from whatever that disability is that made me enjoy the racing this season. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 19:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Another surgery. He’s screwed.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yay more spectacular racing in 2021. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NOT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . just a bunch of inconsistent riders.. Rather watch WSBK with consistent and action packed racing! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:31 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Knobbies on a flat track, strange. - Gene >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I Know a Few Roads" >>>>>>>> Patriot Guard Rider >>>>>>>> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >>>>>>>> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >>>>>>>> DUCATI.net Member >>>>>>>> USDESMO Member #1263 >>>>>>>> EX-MSF Instructor >>>>>>>> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >>>>>>>> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >>>>>>>> HD - 09' XR1200 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: phil hitchcock via Ducati <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:58 PM >>>>>>>> To: ducati list <ducati@ducati.net> >>>>>>>> Cc: phil hitchcock <beveltracker@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Ducati] ducati winning >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ExsEhteB3mcm96OxZWY5QOMXFNNtOFaUiaQsK6YN994%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6AlVVqPTQObisc5Oe86fMxzZRLbKnR6LKpHahFWmFM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>> -- >>>>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>> and >>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>> _____________________ >>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>> -- >>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>> and >>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>> _____________________ >>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s

No, I’m waiting for Marquez93s return and watch him take back his crown if he can. I want to see if someone can actually deny it! If that’s not exciting for you, then you better stick to the Friday sessions. On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:16 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Guess you’ll be unsubscribing then huh? > > On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > > It doesn’t matter what they think. It’s a show. They’ve said it > themselves.. “good for the show, good for the fans....” > > ..like I said , they do it for themselves, for money and passion. but > without fans, without a good show, they will not be there. > Eventually, no one will buy if one sells crap. > They can be hypocrites all they want, but a w/o a good show, without > media, fans, coverage, they’ll be nobody and no money . And what’s the > point of them being there? Corporates will > pay them million$ to have fun? Sure! > > As a good human being, I too don’t want them dead, injured, etc. But > that’s their choice and they know the consequences. I don’t know them, I’m > not related to them and life goes on. Whatever happens to them will not > impact me personally. I paid my $120 MotoGp pass for entertainment, not for > charity. > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 9:22 AM Tony Pagliaroli <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Clearly you’re not paying close enough attention. The drama with Dovi >> this year, Jorge and Cal trading barbs. Alex getting fired before the first >> race. Pol losing his shit regularly. And Jack. Oh god who doesn’t love >> Jack? >> >> Not a huge MM fan but I respect the man and his skill. I explained why I >> want him to retire. I’d rather see my heroes grow old than see them maimed >> or dead. >> >> The amazing thing to me is THEY don’t think they’re there to entertain >> you. In fact they loathe the media/hype. Most of them anyway, but it’s >> part of the show. >> >> Maybe you should just go watch stunt riding instead? >> >> Pags >> >> On Dec 5, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>  >> >> I see them as modern ‘gladiators. Crashing is part of the game. Anything >> that can go wrong, will go wrong. >> >> They’re there for themselves and to entertain spectators like me. IMO, If >> they’re not entertaining me/spectators , then they’re not doing a good job. >> Going round and round in circles is not entertaining anymore, hence ‘it’s >> boring at times. I can just watch the qualifying if I want to see the speed >> and their incredible reflexes and abilities. I want to see action! >> Rossi-Lorenzo Cataluña , Rossi-Stoner CorkScrew type action. They’re just >> robots now. They talk like programmed computers. Where’s the whining, >> where’s the taking a jab at each other like real men. >> >> Why would you want Marquez93 to retire? Is it because you don’t agree to >> the way he rides? >> Don’t you want to see him get dethroned by another rider on the track? >> (Not due to injury) >> Tell us what you don’t like about the rider Because it’s hard to >> understand how to dislike the rider’s abilities. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:08 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Go watch NASCAR if you're in it for the crashes. >>> >>> Personally, I hope MM retires. I wish him a long life, unencumbered by >>> injury. I'd love to see him support his brother to a championship, and I'd >>> love to see him have babies that grow up in the paddock, race and win >>> championships in my lifetime. >>> >>> This season was far from boring...sorry you feel that way. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:50 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> He changed the benchmark. He was the person to beat. He’s an evolved >>>> rider while the rest are doing the same old. Why do you want to watch same >>>> old stuff over and over while Marquez93 pushes the limits and changes the >>>> sport. This is why we ‘love Rossi, because he did the same. None of these >>>> guys are ‘aliens. >>>> >>>> I really didn’t see anything spectacular about the 2020 season. >>>> Seriously, compare the racing to the past with the greats like Biaggi >>>> Gibernau Pedrosa Lorenzo Stoner Rossi and so on..swapping paint, >>>> unthinkable maneuvers.l etc .. >>>> >>>> Now you hope for some action, but there’s only the first and last lap >>>> LOL. Spectacular! >>>> >>>> Let me give you the formula for the mechanics of all existence to be >>>> spectacular. >>>> >>>> Story(action/incidents)+Plot(series of events) >>>> 1. Construction >>>> 2. Complication >>>> 3. Climax >>>> 4. Completion >>>> >>>> >>>> When zarco tried to kill Morbi as per pags, that was spectacular. The >>>> rest of the show were just boooooring. Marquez73’s Aragon one off podium >>>> was ok..nothing really special.. >>>> >>>> Other than that, I can’t recall anything that got me off my racing seat. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kevin Kachadourian < >>>> kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gosh, Lan, then I guess we'll all have to suffer along without your >>>>> regular and predictable diatribes about how MotoGP only exists to >>>>> demonstrate how ruthless - did I say "ruthless?" I meant "great." -how >>>>> great MM93 is, and how it is not worth watching without his competitor >>>>> punting and had-to-be-a-crash saves. Since you won't be watching MotoGP >>>>> anymore, of course you won't be joining any conversations about it. Maybe >>>>> someone else will step up to fill your riding boots. Not me, I suffer from >>>>> whatever that disability is that made me enjoy the racing this season. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 19:19, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Another surgery. He’s screwed.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yay more spectacular racing in 2021. >>>>>> >>>>>> NOT. >>>>>> >>>>>> . just a bunch of inconsistent riders.. Rather watch WSBK with >>>>>> consistent and action packed racing! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:31 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Knobbies on a flat track, strange. - Gene >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I Know a Few Roads" >>>>>>> Patriot Guard Rider >>>>>>> AMA Charter Life Member #598925 >>>>>>> Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club >>>>>>> DUCATI.net Member >>>>>>> USDESMO Member #1263 >>>>>>> EX-MSF Instructor >>>>>>> EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour >>>>>>> Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel >>>>>>> HD - 09' XR1200 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* phil hitchcock via Ducati <ducati@list.ducati.net> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:58 PM >>>>>>> *To:* ducati list <ducati@ducati.net> >>>>>>> *Cc:* phil hitchcock <beveltracker@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* [Ducati] ducati winning >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ductalk.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ExsEhteB3mcm96OxZWY5QOMXFNNtOFaUiaQsK6YN994%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fducnet&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca325fdab2f4f403a130c08d88d005933%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637414379930367186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6AlVVqPTQObisc5Oe86fMxzZRLbKnR6LKpHahFWmFM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >>>>>>> http://www.ductalk.com/ >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >>>>>>> Mailto: %(user_address)s >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # 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Now he has an infection at the injury site so he’s staying in the hospital. > On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >  > No, I’m waiting for Marquez93s return and watch him take back his crown if he can. I want to see if someone can actually deny it! > > If that’s not exciting for you, then you better stick to the Friday sessions. > > >>

First, on Vicki's news: this worries me. I remember the pre-surgery talk I got from my orthopedic surgeon. He explained that as hard as they try to keep it sterile, some bacteria can get into the bone, and I could get a bone infection, maybe soon, maybe later, and there is a chance they could not control it and I would lose the leg. This was a very sobering thought, I hope MM93's infection is superficial and is managed. Second, on the purpose of racing and whether it's better with MM93. I must remind both Lan and Pags that the reason corporations support racing is to sell more bikes or products. All those other things are nice, but if they did not lead to more sales, the funding would go somewhere else. I think the gladiator comparison is not very valid. The gladiator's goal was to survive by killing all the other gladiators, not to get to the other side of the stadium first. A better comparison to gladiators would be demolition derby, but even then, the competitors are not trying to kill each other. Maybe the final chase scene in Road Warrior is the closest to gladiators that racing gets. I agree with Lan (again, damnit) about wanting to avoid boring ring-around-the-rosey track days. But, I do not want to see MotoGP Road Warrior. I have enough trouble now remembering who is who, numbers and colors; imagine if it changes every race. So, for me, it is a matter of finding that point between reasonable risk and unreasonable risk. That point is different for different people, and it is always moving. Agreeing with Lan (aw, jeez, this is getting ridiculous), I do not like to see the prissy complaining that SoandSo cut me off, or got too close with his block pass (although, somethings that can be entertaining as well). I want to see some elbow bumping and fairing scraping, but with as few crashes as possible. I find that races of attrition by crashing can also end up as boring. As I said before, I want MM93 back in top form, finding a more competitive field. Maybe he will come back a bit sobered up by his injury - there goes that point moving around again. On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 08:16, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > Now he has an infection at the injury site so he’s staying in the > hospital. > > > > On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >  > > No, I’m waiting for Marquez93s return and watch him take back his crown > if he can. I want to see if someone can actually deny it! > > > > If that’s not exciting for you, then you better stick to the Friday > sessions. > > > > > >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s

A perspective on why a solitary superstar isn't necessarily great for a sport: < https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a33850785/how-sebastien-loeb-ruined-rallying/ > Christian On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 12:04 PM Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > First, on Vicki's news: this worries me. I remember the pre-surgery talk I > got from my orthopedic surgeon. He explained that as hard as they try to > keep it sterile, some bacteria can get into the bone, and I could get a > bone infection, maybe soon, maybe later, and there is a chance they could > not control it and I would lose the leg. This was a very sobering thought, > I hope MM93's infection is superficial and is managed. > Second, on the purpose of racing and whether it's better with MM93. I must > remind both Lan and Pags that the reason corporations support racing is to > sell more bikes or products. All those other things are nice, but if they > did not lead to more sales, the funding would go somewhere else. I think > the gladiator comparison is not very valid. The gladiator's goal was to > survive by killing all the other gladiators, not to get to the other side > of the stadium first. A better comparison to gladiators would be demolition > derby, but even then, the competitors are not trying to kill each other. > Maybe the final chase scene in Road Warrior is the closest to gladiators > that racing gets. I agree with Lan (again, damnit) about wanting to avoid > boring ring-around-the-rosey track days. But, I do not want to see MotoGP > Road Warrior. I have enough trouble now remembering who is who, numbers and > colors; imagine if it changes every race. So, for me, it is a matter of > finding that point between reasonable risk and unreasonable risk. That > point is different for different people, and it is always moving. Agreeing > with Lan (aw, jeez, this is getting ridiculous), I do not like to see the > prissy complaining that SoandSo cut me off, or got too close with his block > pass (although, somethings that can be entertaining as well). I want to see > some elbow bumping and fairing scraping, but with as few crashes as > possible. I find that races of attrition by crashing can also end up as > boring. > As I said before, I want MM93 back in top form, finding a more competitive > field. Maybe he will come back a bit sobered up by his injury - there goes > that point moving around again. > > > On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 08:16, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > >> Now he has an infection at the injury site so he’s staying in the >> hospital. >> >> >> > On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >  >> > No, I’m waiting for Marquez93s return and watch him take back his crown >> if he can. I want to see if someone can actually deny it! >> > >> > If that’s not exciting for you, then you better stick to the Friday >> sessions. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net >> Mailto: %(user_address)s > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s

There’s a special MotoGP Charity subscription package Lan is going to sign up for ;-/ > On Dec 5, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Vicki Smith <Vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > > Now he has an infection at the injury site so he’s staying in the hospital. > <image0.jpeg> > > >> On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>  >> No, I’m waiting for Marquez93s return and watch him take back his crown if he can. I want to see if someone can actually deny it! >> >> If that’s not exciting for you, then you better stick to the Friday sessions. >> >> >>> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list -- ducati@list.ducati.net > To unsubscribe send an email to ducati-leave@list.ducati.net > Mailto: %(user_address)s