McCann/McCannon/McCarron/McCarl/Kearnan
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before that.
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
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Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online. County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
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Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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Elwyn,
YOU are AMAZING!!!!
Your fan,
Valerie Stewart
California
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot
55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before
that.
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864
aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you
want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s
brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of
Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of
James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10
November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson
of Tullynure Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted
of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be
Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family
was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant
for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females,
all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family
farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online.
County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson
families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between
the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards.
Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland,
not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman
Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they
switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According
to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland.
The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on
February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of
Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed
as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on
the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah,
born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the
Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the
pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that
somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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Yes, Elwyn. You are amazing. Another fan.
Tom Chambers
Florida / Wisconsin
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,YOU are AMAZING!!!!
Your fan,
Valerie Stewart
California
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before that.
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
## Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online. County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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Thanks for the compliments. We try to please.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 21:45:09 BST, tchamberswi@gmail.com tchamberswi@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, Elwyn. You are amazing. Another fan.
Tom ChambersFlorida / Wisconsin
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On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Elwyn,YOU are AMAZING!!!!Your fan,
Valerie StewartCalifornia
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before that.
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
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|
| |
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online. County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
|
|
|
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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Thank you so much Elwyn! More than I could have hoped for!
I looked forward to following up on your suggestions. We are planning a visit to the area in September.
Gratefully,
Maureen
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Thanks for the compliments. We try to please.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 21:45:09 BST, tchamberswi@gmail.com tchamberswi@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, Elwyn. You are amazing. Another fan.
Tom ChambersFlorida / Wisconsin
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Elwyn,YOU are AMAZING!!!!Your fan,
Valerie StewartCalifornia
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Maureen, Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson. https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before that. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06084/4735831.pdf Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site. James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06236/4785205.pdf From PRONI wills site: Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure Farmer the Brother. 1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/ No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census. 1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant for James’ death. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/ In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/ 1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family farming in Caneese: Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
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|
| |
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online. County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry |
|
|
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between the two properties. Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived. So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family. Hope the above helps a little. Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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James,
Are we permitted to ask for lodging/restaurant recommendations...if we
travel to Ireland?
If Maureen goes in September, Elwyn, who lives in Antrim, might have
ideas. When we went last September, I might have made different
arrangements. But the closest location (North/East) we got to was lodgings
around Raphoe/Stranalor- otherwise we were near Donegal town and Sligo.
Just thought I'd ask.
All the best!
Valerie
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 2:14 PM Maureen Kearnan mkearnan@aol.com wrote:
Thank you so much Elwyn! More than I could have hoped for!
I looked forward to following up on your suggestions. We are planning a
visit to the area in September.
Gratefully,
Maureen
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Thanks for the compliments. We try to please.
Elwyn
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Yes, Elwyn. You are amazing.
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On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <
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Elwyn,
YOU are AMAZING!!!!
Your fan,
Valerie Stewart
California
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot
55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before
that.
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864
aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you
want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s
brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of
Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of
James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10
November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson
of Tullynure Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted
of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be
Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family
was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant
for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females,
all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family
farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online.
County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson
families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between
the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards.
Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland,
not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman
Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they
switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According
to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland.
The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on
February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of
Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed
as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on
the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah,
born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the
Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the
pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that
somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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Yes, I am interested in suggestions as well.
How do I contact Elwyn, please?
Susan
On 2023-04-09 4:48 p.m., Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList wrote:
James,
Are we permitted to ask for lodging/restaurant recommendations...if we
travel to Ireland?
If Maureen goes in September, Elwyn, who lives in Antrim, might have
ideas. When we went last September, I might have made different
arrangements. But the closest location (North/East) we got to was
lodgings around Raphoe/Stranalor- otherwise we were near Donegal town
and Sligo.
Just thought I'd ask.
All the best!
Valerie
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 2:14 PM Maureen Kearnan mkearnan@aol.com wrote:
Thank you so much Elwyn! More than I could have hoped for!
I looked forward to following up on your suggestions. We are
planning a visit to the area in September.
Gratefully,
Maureen
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Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2023 4:53 pm
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re:
McCann/McCannon/McCarron/McCarl/Kearnan
Thanks for the compliments. We try to please.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 21:45:09 BST, tchamberswi@gmail.com
<tchamberswi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Elwyn. You are amazing.
Another fan.
Tom Chambers
Florida / Wisconsin
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On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList
<cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
YOU are AMAZING!!!!
Your fan,
Valerie Stewart
California
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList
<cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure.
He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with
James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife
had died before that.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06084/4735831.pdf
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64,
Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are
not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need
to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He
was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the
death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of
Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06236/4785205.pdf
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal
estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County
Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place
were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure
Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose
family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of
Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70,
farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the
Charles who was the informant for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4
males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny
family farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county
Tyrone
<http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php>
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county
Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish
records online. County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
<http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php>
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann
and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just
a few hundred yards between the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839
onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church
of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear
to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was
Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere
or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via
CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA.
According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born
in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect
they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas
McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish
Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father
was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via
Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like
they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before
they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the
ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is
claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan"
which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas
changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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We have travelled twice to Ireland. The first time, we toured the entire perimeter of Ireland and Northern Ireland, to get a real feel for this beautiful land. The tour was called “Amazing Ireland”, and for good reason!!! It was with Trafalgar Tours.
Our second visit focused on my family heritage in Omaha, Londonderry, and surrounding areas. I was able to find the burial places of 6 ancestors. As far as looking for restaurants, you will want to experience the many, many pubs, which are EVERYWHERE! Pub fare and the community life in these lively spots are not to be missed. In my experience, fine dining is not the norm, its all about the neighbourhood spots for good food, cold beer or a well poured Guiness. The friendly chatter is fun, and often educational, and there is often great music to tap your toes to.
We were able to find several places to stay locally through VRBO.com http://vrbo.com/, in addition to some very quaint hotels or Inns.
On Apr 10, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Susan Oleskiw via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Yes, I am interested in suggestions as well.
How do I contact Elwyn, please?
Susan
On 2023-04-09 4:48 p.m., Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList wrote:
James,
Are we permitted to ask for lodging/restaurant recommendations...if we travel to Ireland?
If Maureen goes in September, Elwyn, who lives in Antrim, might have ideas. When we went last September, I might have made different arrangements. But the closest location (North/East) we got to was lodgings around Raphoe/Stranalor- otherwise we were near Donegal town and Sligo.
Just thought I'd ask.
All the best!
Valerie
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 2:14 PM Maureen Kearnan <mkearnan@aol.com mailto:mkearnan@aol.com> wrote:
Thank you so much Elwyn! More than I could have hoped for!
I looked forward to following up on your suggestions. We are planning a visit to the area in September.
Gratefully,
Maureen
-----Original Message-----
From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com>; tchamberswi@gmail.com mailto:tchamberswi@gmail.com <tchamberswi@gmail.com mailto:tchamberswi@gmail.com>
Cc: Valerie Stewart <valeries4kids@gmail.com mailto:valeries4kids@gmail.com>; Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk mailto:elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2023 4:53 pm
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: McCann/McCannon/McCarron/McCarl/Kearnan
Thanks for the compliments. We try to please.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 21:45:09 BST, tchamberswi@gmail.com mailto:tchamberswi@gmail.com <tchamberswi@gmail.com mailto:tchamberswi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Elwyn. You are amazing.
Another fan.
Tom Chambers
Florida / Wisconsin
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
YOU are AMAZING!!!!
Your fan,
Valerie Stewart
California
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Maureen,
Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before that.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06084/4735831.pdf https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06084/4735831.pdf
Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site.
James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06236/4785205.pdf https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06236/4785205.pdf
From PRONI wills site:
Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure Farmer the Brother.
1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/
No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census.
1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant for James’ death.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/
In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/
1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family farming in Caneese:
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php
Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
Tithe Applotment Books in county Tyrone. Lissan Parish records online. County Tyrone genealogy and Tyrone Ancestry
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/tyrone/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-lissan.php
Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between the two properties.
Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived.
So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family.
Hope the above helps a little.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 x great-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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On Tuesday, 11 April 2023, 04:13:01 BST, Susan Oleskiw via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Yes, I am interested in suggestions as well.
How do I contact Elwyn, please?
Susan
On 2023-04-09 4:48 p.m., Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList wrote:
James, Are we permitted to ask for lodging/restaurant recommendations...if we travel to Ireland? If Maureen goes in September, Elwyn, who lives in Antrim, might have ideas. When we went last September, I might have made different arrangements. But the closest location (North/East) we got to was lodgings around Raphoe/Stranalor- otherwise we were near Donegal town and Sligo. Just thought I'd ask. All the best! Valerie
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 2:14 PM Maureen Kearnan mkearnan@aol.com wrote:
Thank you so much Elwyn! More than I could have hoped for!
I looked forward to following up on your suggestions. We are planning a visit to the area in September.
Gratefully,
Maureen
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On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Elwyn, YOU are AMAZING!!!! Your fan,
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On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 11:43 AM Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Maureen, Griffiths Valuation 1859 lists Thomas Donaldson in Tullynure. He had plot 55 which was a 15 acre farm which he shared with James Donaldson. https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml This looks to be Thomas’s death in 1891, aged 84. His wife had died before that. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06084/4735831.pdf Possible deaths for Thomas’s wife are Nancy 1866 aged 64, Catherine 1864 aged 54, Ally 1865 aged 46. Those deaths are not viewable free and if you want to see the details you need to pay £2.50 a time on the GRONI site. James Donaldson died in 1886 aged 78. He was a bachelor. He was Thomas’s brother. Interestingly the informant for the death was a Charles McCann of Caneese. Perhaps a relation of Thomas McCann who married Hannah? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06236/4785205.pdf From PRONI wills site: Probate abstract. Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Donaldson late of Tullynure County Londonderry Farmer who died 10 November 1886 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Thomas Donaldson of Tullynure Farmer the Brother. 1831 census of Tullynure lists a Robert Donaldson whose family consisted of 3 males and 7 females. All Church of Ireland. At a guess, Robert may be Thomas & James father. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Tullynine/61/ No Donaldsons in Tullynure by the 1901 census. 1901 census of Caneese lists a Charles McCann, aged 70, farming. Family was Roman Catholic. So that’s probably the Charles who was the informant for James’ death. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533836/ In 1831 there was a John McCann in Caneese. A total of 4 males, 4 females, all RC. 2 families living under the one roof: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Loughinsholin/Lissane/Caneese/12/ 1827 Tithe applotment records list 2 Donaldson and 1 McCanny family farming in Caneese: Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838: Lissan Parish, county Tyrone
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Caneese and Tullynure share a common boundary so the McCann and Donaldson families lived very close to each other. Just a few hundred yards between the two properties. Lissan RC baptism & marriage records are complete from 1839 onwards. Between 1822 and 1838, some fragments have survived. So the Donaldsons from Tullynure appear to have been Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian and the McCanns/McCarrons appear to have been Roman Catholic. Yet you say the family was Presbyterian in the US. Either they switched lanes somewhere or perhaps it’s not the right family. Hope the above helps a little. Elwyn
On Sunday, 9 April 2023, 04:37:59 BST, Maureen Kearnan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Hello!
I am so happy to have found this site!
I am trying to push back on my husband's 2 xgreat-grandfather.
Thomas Kearnan (1840 - 1884) is buried in Port Byron, NY USA. According to US Census records, Thomas was born in Ireland
He was married to Hannah Donaldson (1840 - 1912) who was born in Ireland. The family in NY were Presbyterian so we suspect they were from the North.
I have a marriage record of a Hannah Donaldson and a Thomas McCann (?) on February 23, 1860 from Tullynane at the Parish Church at the Parish of Lissan.
Thomas's father was listed as William McCann. Hannah's father was listed as Thomas Donaldson.
A Thomas and Hannah McCarron (McCannon?) traveled to NY via Liverpool on the Nottebahm arriving in 1863. It looks like they had a daughter, Sarah, born on the ship who died before they docked.
I can find no records connecting Thomas and Hannah on the ship to the Thomas and Hannah who ended up in Port Byron, NY.
I do have a Civil War Pension card in which Hannah Kearnan is claiming the pension of "Thomas McCarl alias Thomas Kearnan" which makes me think that somewhere along the way Thomas changed his last name.
Any leads or insights would be appreciated. Thank you!
Maureen Kearnan
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