So I think it goes like this-awareness, processing, then reaction……… a lot
can happen in that span of time, whether the situation involves another
bike, a car or a deer. Just ask Jack, Gene, my son and others in the deer’s
case. My guess is that they were “aware” of what was going on before “it”
happened, but processing and reaction ate up too much time to do much about
it. Obviously there are times where there’s just no way you’re going to do
anything about it anyway because of the physics involved in getting the
bike to do what you might have hoped would/could happen.

Saw Zarco and other’s interviews, but was not able to find a video of
Franco’s account of the incident. Would like to hear his take. So glad the
whole thing was not 10 times worse than it was……….

STeve

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Okay, Spoiler for sure...... and a long rant about neural processing that
is relevant to the question.
...
I watched the video of multiple camera views. I would love to see the
views from Zarco and Morbidelli's cameras (I assume there was live feed
that is available to someone). I am not an experienced track rider, and
have never raced, so my understanding of rules and edicate are limited.
That said, it looked to me like Zarco was at fault. If you can't leave a
margin of time for the rider behind you to react to a move, you should not
make that move (see next paragraph). When is a pass considered completed,
so that the safety of that pass is no longer the responsibility of the
rider passing? Zarco said "I was braking." Did he mean he was braking as he
pulled across in front of Morbidelli?

I have mentioned this before, but this is a good time to do so again: due
to the varying processing times for the different human senses (sight,
sound, touch,...) there is a delay in our consciously perceiving something.
As far as I know, the debate in the scientific community is whether this
delay is as little as 1/8th of a second or as much as 1/2 a second. This
is  not reaction time, this is awareness time - your eyes actually scanned
the words in this email a 1/8th to 1/2 a second before you experienced
reading them. So, if Zarco is braking or off throttle when he pulls
directly in front of an accelerating Morbidelli, Morbidelli will know he is
there at the same time, or shortly after he hits him. There is no way
around this. So, how do we, or can we, regulate MotoGP to account for this?
We are designed to go 15 miles per hour, while MotoGP bikes go well over
200. Hmmm.

And, maybe they need to fix that part of the track, but cannot before next
weekend. Here's hoping for another great race but without cartwheeling or
missile-ing bikes.

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So I think it goes like this-awareness, processing, then reaction……… a lot
can happen in that span of time, whether the situation involves another
bike, a car or a deer. Just ask Jack, Gene, my son and others in the deer’s
case. My guess is that they were “aware” of what was going on before “it”
happened, but processing and reaction ate up too much time to do much about
it. Obviously there are times where there’s just no way you’re going to do
anything about it anyway because of the physics involved in getting the
bike to do what you might have hoped would/could happen.

Saw Zarco and other’s interviews, but was not able to find a video of
Franco’s account of the incident. Would like to hear his take. So glad the
whole thing was not 10 times worse than it was……….

STeve

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Okay, Spoiler for sure...... and a long rant about neural processing that
is relevant to the question.
...
I watched the video of multiple camera views. I would love to see the
views from Zarco and Morbidelli's cameras (I assume there was live feed
that is available to someone). I am not an experienced track rider, and
have never raced, so my understanding of rules and edicate are limited.
That said, it looked to me like Zarco was at fault. If you can't leave a
margin of time for the rider behind you to react to a move, you should not
make that move (see next paragraph). When is a pass considered completed,
so that the safety of that pass is no longer the responsibility of the
rider passing? Zarco said "I was braking." Did he mean he was braking as he
pulled across in front of Morbidelli?

I have mentioned this before, but this is a good time to do so again: due
to the varying processing times for the different human senses (sight,
sound, touch,...) there is a delay in our consciously perceiving something.
As far as I know, the debate in the scientific community is whether this
delay is as little as 1/8th of a second or as much as 1/2 a second. This
is  not reaction time, this is awareness time - your eyes actually scanned
the words in this email a 1/8th to 1/2 a second before you experienced
reading them. So, if Zarco is braking or off throttle when he pulls
directly in front of an accelerating Morbidelli, Morbidelli will know he is
there at the same time, or shortly after he hits him. There is no way
around this. So, how do we, or can we, regulate MotoGP to account for this?
We are designed to go 15 miles per hour, while MotoGP bikes go well over
200. Hmmm.

And, maybe they need to fix that part of the track, but cannot before next
weekend. Here's hoping for another great race but without cartwheeling or
missile-ing bikes.

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Looks like a normal pass to me, Zarco just ran out of track. After the
kink, it looks like there’s a braking or deceleration point there, so the
rider doesn’t go straight into the wall. I presume that’s the braking that
Zarco was referring to. At that moment, Franco either got vacuumed in or
didn’t brake ‘on time’ IDK.
It happened in .125sec

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In this case, MOR wasn't following too closely, he was passed by Zarco.

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If this was an isolated incident I would look at it differently. But
that’s the second GP in a row where zarco’s aggressiveness causes issues.
Seems like he is too desperate.

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In this case, MOR wasn't following too closely, he was passed by Zarco.

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Someone explain VR and FM’s accusations, theory or what have you, that
Zarco braked and/or went wide intentionally to block Morbi at ~300kph. That
just Sounds insane to me.

It seems that If a rider enters that corner at the clipping point of the
kink at ~300kph, the bike will tend to go outwards (wide) during exit.
Naturally, Before entering that corner, the rider would want to go a
little on the outside to set up the flow before entering that kink. When
Morbi did that, Zarco saw an “open” door and went for it. The Ducati is so
fast in the straights that it was able to pass Morbi. As Morbi was going
in, Zarco already made the pass and he had to stand up the bike, both going
naturally “wide” at really high speed. Then, BaM!!

Was it  bad move on Zarco’s part?
Was it just a racing incident?
Or T3 is just a bad sector?

Everyone keeps on condemning Zarco on his racing style that isn’t even
that aggressive. The fact is, most of them new generation are all
aggressive. MM93 is very aggressive and so was VR.

Pol hit him last week because pol is a dick. Erratic high tempered person.
Couldn’t compose himself and kept making so many errors like an amateur.
Binder kicked his ass fair and square.

And Morbi hit Zarco this week.not the other way around.

If y’all can’t take danger of the sport, it’s time to watch golf.

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Okay, I'm going to say "yes" to all three of Lan's questions.

It was a bad move on Zarco's part. They were both at high speeds, it was
dangerous to say the least to brake as you are passing at that point in the
track, knowing it will stand you up and move you in front of the other
bike. It was a bad move, but was it intentional, I can't read Zarco's mind.
Is there a history in MotoGP of riders doing similar moves? Of course. What
made this one spectacular was the speed. If they had hit at 40 mph, we
probably would not be talking about it (and Rossi would not be praying
after the race).

It was a racing incident. As I said before, it was the speed that make it
so spectacular, with tragic possibilities, but how do you write a rule for
that situation that does not take some of the battle out of MotoGP and/or
get bogged down in battles of words and opinions about many close passes or
contacts on the race track?

T3 is a bad sector, but how do you fix it, and what to do about this
weekend, when any number of riders, not just Zarco, will have an
opportunity to repeat this performance (and, remember that Rossi used up
his 9th life in the last incident). Here's a ridiculous idea: since the
bikes' computers are mapped for each area of the track (at least they used
to be), let's just change the mapping so that all engines go to one half
throttle from the apex of T2 to the apex of T3.

Any other bad ideas?

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