Hey guys, I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years ago I bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my leg over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I was looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He says that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand he puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before but it always leaves me queasy. So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not produce a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting procedure? I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy putting that much weight on one single point of failure. Mario

Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this method on a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount the kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong, you're in for a massive repair bill. Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight, check them regularly, and use loctite too. The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over the bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over. This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore to lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) Pags On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have > always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg > over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years ago I > bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really > short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap > anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my leg > over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I was > looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He says > that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand he > puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his > right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before but > it always leaves me queasy. > > So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not produce > a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the > frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. > The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, > probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your > bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? > Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting > procedure? > > I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot > easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy putting > that much weight on one single point of failure. > > Mario > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >

That’s the only way I can get on my BMW GS (at 5’7”). But the GS has a beefy as hell stand. I don’t know the case for the Desert Sled. Ryan Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this method on > a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount the > kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong, you're > in for a massive repair bill. > > Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight, > check them regularly, and use loctite too. > > The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over the > bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over. > > This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore to > lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) > > Pags > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hey guys, >> >> I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have >> always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg >> over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years ago I >> bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really >> short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap >> anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my leg >> over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I was >> looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He says >> that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand he >> puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his >> right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before but >> it always leaves me queasy. >> >> So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not produce >> a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the >> frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. >> The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, >> probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your >> bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? >> Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting >> procedure? >> >> I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot >> easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy putting >> that much weight on one single point of failure. >> >> Mario >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: rsantoso.forums@gmail.com

I think Tony nailed it you must be sure the bolts holding the side stand on are tight. Almost all the failures of Ducati cases come from the bolts not being tight. What makes the decision for me is how far over the bike leans. Older Ducati like the 916 lean over so far I would never trust the foot on the peg and stand method. What I do with my Hypermotard when I have luggage on the back is the method Tony refers to as the Karate Kick. I just lift my right leg up and grab the cuff with my right hand and lift my foot over the seat. Jim Jim Calandro il Capo US DESMO www.usdesmo.com 704-843-0429 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:49 AM Ryan K. Santoso <rsantoso.forums@gmail.com> wrote: > That’s the only way I can get on my BMW GS (at 5’7”). But the GS has a > beefy as hell stand. I don’t know the case for the Desert Sled. > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this method > on > > a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount > the > > kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong, > you're > > in for a massive repair bill. > > > > Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight, > > check them regularly, and use loctite too. > > > > The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over the > > bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over. > > > > This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore to > > lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) > > > > Pags > > > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys, > >> > >> I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have > >> always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg > >> over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years > ago I > >> bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really > >> short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap > >> anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my > leg > >> over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I > was > >> looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He > says > >> that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand > he > >> puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his > >> right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before > but > >> it always leaves me queasy. > >> > >> So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not > produce > >> a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the > >> frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. > >> The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, > >> probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your > >> bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? > >> Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting > >> procedure? > >> > >> I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot > >> easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy putting > >> that much weight on one single point of failure. > >> > >> Mario > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > >> http://www.ductalk.com/ > >> and > >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > >> _____________________ > >> Ducati mailing list > >> Ducati@list.ducati.net > >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > >> Mailto: ajpags@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: rsantoso.forums@gmail.com > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: capod2t@gmail.com >

I could use the karate kick method on my GSXR-750 but at 5' 3" tall with short, inflexible legs, that is an impossibility on my 34" seat height Desert Sled. 🙂 Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of James Calandro <capod2t@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:01 AM To: Ducati Owners Group Subject: Re: [Ducati] bike mounting procedure question I think Tony nailed it you must be sure the bolts holding the side stand on are tight. Almost all the failures of Ducati cases come from the bolts not being tight. What makes the decision for me is how far over the bike leans. Older Ducati like the 916 lean over so far I would never trust the foot on the peg and stand method. What I do with my Hypermotard when I have luggage on the back is the method Tony refers to as the Karate Kick. I just lift my right leg up and grab the cuff with my right hand and lift my foot over the seat. 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When I'm too old or sore to > > lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) > > > > Pags > > > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys, > >> > >> I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have > >> always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg > >> over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years > ago I > >> bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really > >> short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap > >> anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my > leg > >> over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I > was > >> looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He > says > >> that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand > he > >> puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his > >> right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before > but > >> it always leaves me queasy. > >> > >> So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not > produce > >> a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the > >> frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. > >> The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, > >> probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your > >> bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? > >> Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting > >> procedure? > >> > >> I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot > >> easier to get on and off the bike. 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BTW Jim, Was it you who used to have/still have a sky blue Moto Guzzi with brown leather saddlebags? If it was you, for some reason I have some really nice pics of it. If you'd like them I'd be more than happy to send them to you. Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of James Calandro <capod2t@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:01 AM To: Ducati Owners Group Subject: Re: [Ducati] bike mounting procedure question I think Tony nailed it you must be sure the bolts holding the side stand on are tight. Almost all the failures of Ducati cases come from the bolts not being tight. What makes the decision for me is how far over the bike leans. Older Ducati like the 916 lean over so far I would never trust the foot on the peg and stand method. What I do with my Hypermotard when I have luggage on the back is the method Tony refers to as the Karate Kick. I just lift my right leg up and grab the cuff with my right hand and lift my foot over the seat. 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When I'm too old or sore to > > lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) > > > > Pags > > > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys, > >> > >> I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have > >> always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg > >> over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years > ago I > >> bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really > >> short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap > >> anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my > leg > >> over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I > was > >> looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He > says > >> that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand > he > >> puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his > >> right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before > but > >> it always leaves me queasy. > >> > >> So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not > produce > >> a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the > >> frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. > >> The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, > >> probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your > >> bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? > >> Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting > >> procedure? > >> > >> I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot > >> easier to get on and off the bike. 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Mario Not mine I had a red and black CX 100 Le Mans. I have no idea whose bike you have photos of. Thanks for the offer though that is very kin0 Jim Jim Calandro il Capo US DESMO www.usdesmo.com 704-843-0429 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:09 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > BTW Jim, > > Was it you who used to have/still have a sky blue Moto Guzzi with brown > leather saddlebags? If it was you, for some reason I have some really nice > pics of it. If you'd like them I'd be more than happy to send them to you. > > Mario > > ________________________________ > From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of James Calandro > <capod2t@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:01 AM > To: Ducati Owners Group > Subject: Re: [Ducati] bike mounting procedure question > > I think Tony nailed it you must be sure the bolts holding the side stand on > are tight. Almost all the failures of Ducati cases come from the bolts not > being tight. What makes the decision for me is how far over the bike > leans. Older Ducati like the 916 lean over so far I would never trust the > foot on the peg and stand method. What I do with my Hypermotard when I > have luggage on the back is the method Tony refers to as the Karate Kick. 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Santoso <rsantoso.forums@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > That’s the only way I can get on my BMW GS (at 5’7”). But the GS has a > > beefy as hell stand. I don’t know the case for the Desert Sled. > > > > Ryan > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this > method > > on > > > a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount > > the > > > kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong, > > you're > > > in for a massive repair bill. > > > > > > Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight, > > > check them regularly, and use loctite too. > > > > > > The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over > the > > > bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over. > > > > > > This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore > to > > > lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) > > > > > > Pags > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:36 AM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hey guys, > > >> > > >> I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and > have > > >> always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right > leg > > >> over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years > > ago I > > >> bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a > really > > >> short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap > > >> anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my > > leg > > >> over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I > > was > > >> looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He > > says > > >> that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand > > he > > >> puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings > his > > >> right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that > before > > but > > >> it always leaves me queasy. > > >> > > >> So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not > > produce > > >> a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on > the > > >> frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking > either. > > >> The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm > 180lbs, > > >> probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount > your > > >> bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? > > >> Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this > mounting > > >> procedure? > > >> > > >> I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot > > >> easier to get on and off the bike. 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No way would I ever put my body weight on the sidestand.  My old 900SS cracked the engine case just from having the weight of the bike on it.  On my MultiEnduro, I stand perp. to the bike, hike my right knee up towards my chest, grab it with my right hand and loft my heel over the seat......one fluid motion.  I'm 6'2" so that makes it a little easier, but that Enduro seat is really high.  I have a short friend who raises the sidestand, puts the bike in gear and takes off with only his left foot on the peg, then swings the right leg over after he's moving.  That's not an easy way, but with practice he makes it look easy. On 6/11/2019 6:35 AM, Mario Baroz wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've been riding for 35+ years, all sportbikes until recently, and have always gotten on them the traditional way by just swinging my right leg over the seat and plopping down onto the bike. But a couple of years ago I bought a 2017 Desert Sled which has a really tall seat and I'm a really short guy so I can barely get my leg over the seat. If I ever strap anything down onto the rear of the seat, I wouldn't be able to get my leg over it at all. I was talking about this to the BMW sales guy when I was looking at a F850GS and he has the same problem with his ADV bikes. He says that he mounts his bike like so: with the bike still on the kickstand he puts his left foot on the left footpeg, stands up on the peg, swings his right leg over, then settles down onto the bike. I've done that before but it always leaves me queasy. > > So my questions are: When you mount a bike like that, does it not produce a lot of stress on the kickstand mounting bolt and mounting point on the frame or engine case? I'm afraid of stressing and then breaking either. The mounting point on my Sled doesn't look all that sturdy. I'm 180lbs, probably over 200lbs with all my gear. How many of you guys mount your bikes like that and how long have you been doing that on any one bike? Have you ever seen stress cracks or breaks as a result of this mounting procedure? > > I did it a couple of times this past weekend and it does make it a lot easier to get on and off the bike. But it just makes me queasy putting that much weight on one single point of failure. > > Mario > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: twsds@farmerstel.com > >

Another concern is that if the foot peg is serrated, standing and pivoting on it will dig into the sole of your boot, and eventually you'll have a hole in your boot. -Bob On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 08:40 Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > Depending on the mounting point, I'd be cautious. I've used this method on > a bunch of different bikes, but they're all different. Many Ducs mount the > kickstand directly to the engine cases, and if something goes wrong, you're > in for a massive repair bill. > > Regardless, loose bolts are the killer here - make sure they're tight, > check them regularly, and use loctite too. > > The other option is the Karate Kick method. Get your right leg over the > bike by kicking directly at it, then slide your butt over. > > This is why I'm glad Ducati made the Diavel. When I'm too old or sore to > lift my leg high enough for my bikes, I'll get one of those. ;-) > > Pags > >

Ah shit - I forgot this method - I do this ALLLLL The time on dirt bikes which are super tall. In fact, it's the only method I used on my Ecuador trip with Steve Abramson earlier this year. Feather the clutch, and you're good to go. Harder on a super heavy street bike, but definitely doable with a little skill. Pags On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:27 AM Tim Simpson <twsds@farmerstel.com> wrote: > > but that Enduro seat is really high. I have a short friend who raises > the sidestand, puts the bike in gear and takes off with only his left > foot on the peg, then swings the right leg over after he's moving. > That's not an easy way, but with practice he makes it look easy. > >