Not to make small of MM's incredible talent, but we seem to have forgotten that Marquez's crash was not something that happened to him; it was the result of a mistake he made. Quartararo won in part because he did not make the same mistake. In the end, it does not matter how fast you can ride, if you do not finish the race. Marquez has an amazing reflexive capability to recover from the situations he puts himself into. This has allowed him to push over the limits regularly. When you play the odds like this, sooner or later, you have to lose. I had not heard about the potential nerve damage. I hope there is none, and that we see more of his high speed gravel riding saves. Kevin On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 08:39, Vicki Smith <vicki@ducati.net> wrote: > I listened to the Doctors video from the track. They said they didn’t know > if the nerve was involved but they were concerned because the break is very > close to the nerve. He was in a lot of pain so they gave him pain killers > and are transferring him to Barcelona. > > At the risk of sounding unsympathetic it’s hard to miss the irony of the > huge medical break Márquez was given by the schedule delay only to end up > hurt worse at the first delayed race of the season. His massive talent and > his incredible luck has created the package of all time. If there is such a > thing as “luck running out” we might have just seen it. In my opinion COVID > or no COVID 2020 wasn’t likely to be his year. Which is a shame because > whoever wins this year their championship will always have an asterisk * MM > out due to injury. > > Also, interesting that Luca Marino won Moto2. Rossi is saying he’s 99% to > the Yamaha satellite team but he has also always said he would retire when > Luca was ready to pick up his baton. In my opinion we are there now. > > Vicki > > > > On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Christian Els <ElsC@schnellpc.com> wrote: > > > > Re: Marquez' injury -- Crash.net and Moto.it are suggesting it's a > humerus > > fracture, but also disruption of his radial nerve. They are having to > wait > > for the swelling to abate before they can start patching him up, > supposedly > > tomorrow. > > > > Let's not forget Dovi in all this - nursing a snapped collar bone he > > started off looking shaky at the back of the pack but managed to salvage > a > > poor weekend with a first Jerez podium. Sure, that required a couple > > fallers, but once again he showed his grit and made soup out of stones. > > Much to Miller's dismay, I'm sure... > > > > Christian > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:47 AM James Calandro <capod2t@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Any word on what injuries Marquez sustained? It always amazes me how > the > >> riders can break something and come back and ride. I would not count > him > >> out yet. I too am not a fan but his moving through the pack was > something > >> to watch. Valintino will need to retire soon, Marquez went by him like > he > >> was backing up. I will truly mourn the day Rossi retires but I really > do > >> think it is time. > >> > >> I was shocked that NBC ran the entire race with virtually no > commercials. > >> The pre race and post race was full but the race itself was pretty much > >> undisturbed. > >> Jim Calandro > >> il Capo > >> US DESMO > >> www.usdesmo.com > >> 704-843-0429 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> < > >> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon > >>> > >> Virus-free. > >> www.avast.com > >> < > >> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link > >>> > >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > >> http://www.ductalk.com/ > >> and > >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > >> _____________________ > >> Ducati mailing list > >> Ducati@list.ducati.net > >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > >> Mailto: tian647@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > > http://www.ductalk.com/ > > and > > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > > _____________________ > > Ducati mailing list > > Ducati@list.ducati.net > > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > > Mailto: veloce916@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com >

Rossi’s bike broke down. No he doesn’t need to retire—why do people keep insisting?!! MM93 was faster than everyone. Took 2/10sec from El Diablo per lap after the incident. Yes it doesn’t matter how fast a rider if they don’t finish, but still shows his speed which is the beauty and essence of racing. I’m pretty sure their Doctors/Surgeons aren't the same as the ones we (Non pro athletes) go to. HRC First-class treatment and recovery programs, such as hyperbolic chambers etc. Accd to his Dr., The Fractured bone Isn’t the concern, it’s the possible nerve damage that controls the extension of his arm, hand and fingers. Hopefully it’s not the case. P.S. It’s ok to be a fan or not a fan of MM93. ..Unnecessary and trivial to put a disclaimer: “I’m not a fan” blah blah blah in every first sentence of a comment. It’s like a trend in several discussion boards. -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ #

MM's ride was impressive. Nobody else on the grid has the talent to lap with that speed currently, and certainly nobody else would have been able to save that first crash. His crash-saving ability is simply unparalleled in MotoGP, and everyone is still trying to figure out how to do the same. The more heroics like that he keeps pulling out of a hat, the harder it is not to become a huge fan. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:02 PM Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > Rossi’s bike broke down. No he doesn’t need to retire—why do people keep > insisting?!! > > MM93 was faster than everyone. Took 2/10sec from El Diablo per lap after > the incident. Yes it doesn’t matter how fast a rider if they don’t finish, > but still shows his speed which is the beauty and essence of racing. > > I’m pretty sure their Doctors/Surgeons aren't the same as the ones we (Non > pro athletes) go to. HRC First-class treatment and recovery programs, such > as hyperbolic chambers etc. > > Accd to his Dr., The Fractured bone Isn’t the concern, it’s the possible > nerve damage that controls the extension of his arm, hand and fingers. > Hopefully it’s not the case. > > P.S. > > It’s ok to be a fan or not a fan of MM93. ..Unnecessary and trivial to > put a disclaimer: “I’m not a fan” blah blah blah in every first sentence > of a comment. It’s like a trend in several discussion boards. > > > > > > > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: scottieducati@gmail.com >

I'm not a fan of Lan Max, but I have to agree with him totally about how unnecessary it is to start a post with "I'm not a fan," or "I'm a fan." Sorry, could not resist. On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 09:02, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > Rossi’s bike broke down. No he doesn’t need to retire—why do people keep > insisting?!! > > MM93 was faster than everyone. Took 2/10sec from El Diablo per lap after > the incident. Yes it doesn’t matter how fast a rider if they don’t finish, > but still shows his speed which is the beauty and essence of racing. > > I’m pretty sure their Doctors/Surgeons aren't the same as the ones we (Non > pro athletes) go to. HRC First-class treatment and recovery programs, such > as hyperbolic chambers etc. > > Accd to his Dr., The Fractured bone Isn’t the concern, it’s the possible > nerve damage that controls the extension of his arm, hand and fingers. > Hopefully it’s not the case. > > P.S. > > It’s ok to be a fan or not a fan of MM93. ..Unnecessary and trivial to > put a disclaimer: “I’m not a fan” blah blah blah in every first sentence > of a comment. It’s like a trend in several discussion boards. > > > > > > > -- > sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com >

About possible nerve damage for Marc: having shattered a wrist in a motorcycle accident, I have direct experience with how fragile and complex the wrist is. I know that Marc will get the best possible treatment, and hope for a speedy and total recovery. When I thought it was just a broken humerus, I was predicting he would get it pinned and be back on the podium by this weekend. Kevin On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 09:32, Kevin Kachadourian <kkachadourian@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not a fan of Lan Max, but I have to agree with him totally about how > unnecessary it is to start a post with "I'm not a fan," or "I'm a fan." > Sorry, could not resist. > > On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 09:02, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rossi’s bike broke down. No he doesn’t need to retire—why do people keep >> insisting?!! >> >> MM93 was faster than everyone. Took 2/10sec from El Diablo per lap after >> the incident. Yes it doesn’t matter how fast a rider if they don’t finish, >> but still shows his speed which is the beauty and essence of racing. >> >> I’m pretty sure their Doctors/Surgeons aren't the same as the ones we (Non >> pro athletes) go to. HRC First-class treatment and recovery programs, such >> as hyperbolic chambers etc. >> >> Accd to his Dr., The Fractured bone Isn’t the concern, it’s the possible >> nerve damage that controls the extension of his arm, hand and fingers. >> Hopefully it’s not the case. >> >> P.S. >> >> It’s ok to be a fan or not a fan of MM93. ..Unnecessary and trivial to >> put a disclaimer: “I’m not a fan” blah blah blah in every first sentence >> of a comment. It’s like a trend in several discussion boards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # >> >> >> >> >> To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: >> http://www.ductalk.com/ >> and >> https://www.facebook.com/ducnet >> _____________________ >> Ducati mailing list >> Ducati@list.ducati.net >> http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net >> Mailto: kkachadourian@gmail.com >> >

An amazing race and finally a win for FQ. I was saying all last year that he still has to prove he can win and be consistent. With MM93 out, this could be his year for sure. I don’t see Vinales or Dovi being consistent enough to go with FQ. I’m an MM93 fan so was crazy excited to see him scything through the pack like that. Lan said he hopes it’s not a career ending injury and Vicki pointed out that the doctors are concerned because the break is very close to the nerve. This all makes me very nervous because this sounds almost exactly like what forced Ben Spies to retire. It would be a tragedy to see possibly one of the greatest MotoGP careers ever end like that. Kevin brought up a point that I also was thinking but just slightly different. Yes, he crashed as a result of a mistake that he made. But also, he crashed pushing hard because of the speed of Quatararo. So in a way, FQ won that race in more ways than one. As for Rossi, I've been saying he should retire for a couple of years now. I know he doesn't care one whit about this but history does.....every race that he starts and doesn't win or podium drives down his start to win/podium ratio and drives him further down the list of potential GOATs. For me, right now, it's Ago, Hailwood, Rossi, Marquez. With maybe Surtees in there somewhere. Rins...I had him pegged as a contender this year but with the shortened schedule, it's going to be hard to come back from a big fat "0" on the scorecard. Cal...sigh....it would be funny that he's so predictable if it wasn't so sad. I hope him and Rins are well enough to give it a good go the rest of the season. Anyway, it was great to see the boys in action again! The talent is truly breathtaking. My son just started riding and watched the race with me. He watched some of the races last year but since he started riding, he has a new appreciation for what he's seeing. It's been a while since we've had such a great discussion of the weekend's racing! So cool! Mario ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:01 AM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] MOTOGP RACE THREAD (may contain spoilers) Rossi’s bike broke down. No he doesn’t need to retire—why do people keep insisting?!! MM93 was faster than everyone. Took 2/10sec from El Diablo per lap after the incident. Yes it doesn’t matter how fast a rider if they don’t finish, but still shows his speed which is the beauty and essence of racing. I’m pretty sure their Doctors/Surgeons aren't the same as the ones we (Non pro athletes) go to. HRC First-class treatment and recovery programs, such as hyperbolic chambers etc. Accd to his Dr., The Fractured bone Isn’t the concern, it’s the possible nerve damage that controls the extension of his arm, hand and fingers. Hopefully it’s not the case. P.S. It’s ok to be a fan or not a fan of MM93. ..Unnecessary and trivial to put a disclaimer: “I’m not a fan” blah blah blah in every first sentence of a comment. It’s like a trend in several discussion boards. -- sent_from@appleMobileDevice~ # To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: mariobaroz@hotmail.com

I get the point, but really, MM was pushing because he's driven, regardless who is at the front. He could have settled for 3rd - or 6th - or 10th and salvaged points, but that's not how he's wired and exactly why he's a champion. Nobody was pushing Marc's pace more than MM himself. It was perhaps the most amazing run through the field I've ever seen... Pags On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:15 PM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Kevin brought up a point that I also was thinking but just slightly > different. Yes, he crashed as a result of a mistake that he made. But > also, he crashed pushing hard because of the speed of Quatararo. So in a > way, FQ won that race in more ways than one. > >

The only thing I can think of that comes close to what MM did was Scott Russell in the 1995 Daytona 200, where he crashed himself into last place and within 25 laps caught back up, took the lead and won. I happened to be there to see that in person. Pags, you are spot on about the “regardless” thing with Marquez. There are/have been others with similar relentless drive, but he is among the top of the heap when it comes to never giving up. It was certainly amazing to see him slice and dice…….. STeve > On Jul 20, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > I get the point, but really, MM was pushing because he's driven, regardless > who is at the front. He could have settled for 3rd - or 6th - or 10th and > salvaged points, but that's not how he's wired and exactly why he's a > champion. Nobody was pushing Marc's pace more than MM himself. > > It was perhaps the most amazing run through the field I've ever seen... > > Pags > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:15 PM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Kevin brought up a point that I also was thinking but just slightly >> different. Yes, he crashed as a result of a mistake that he made. But >> also, he crashed pushing hard because of the speed of Quatararo. So in a >> way, FQ won that race in more ways than one. >> >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: desmo900cr@gmail.com

I was there too I miss the old days when there was racing the whole week of bike week. - Gene "I Know a Few Roads" Patriot Guard Rider AMA Charter Life Member #598925 Charter Member #166 of the Victory Motorcycle Club DUCATI.net Member USDESMO Member #1263 EX-MSF Instructor EX-President Mid Atlantic Ducati Owners Club Victory's - 01' V92SC, 04' Kingpin, 16' XC Tour Ducati's - 02' M900, 13' Diavel HD - 09' XR1200 ________________________________ From: Ducati <ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net> on behalf of stephen abramson <desmo900cr@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:28 PM To: Ducati Owners Group <ducati@list.ducati.net> Subject: Re: [Ducati] MOTOGP RACE THREAD (may contain spoilers) The only thing I can think of that comes close to what MM did was Scott Russell in the 1995 Daytona 200, where he crashed himself into last place and within 25 laps caught back up, took the lead and won. I happened to be there to see that in person. Pags, you are spot on about the “regardless” thing with Marquez. There are/have been others with similar relentless drive, but he is among the top of the heap when it comes to never giving up. It was certainly amazing to see him slice and dice…….. STeve > On Jul 20, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.com> wrote: > > I get the point, but really, MM was pushing because he's driven, regardless > who is at the front. He could have settled for 3rd - or 6th - or 10th and > salvaged points, but that's not how he's wired and exactly why he's a > champion. Nobody was pushing Marc's pace more than MM himself. > > It was perhaps the most amazing run through the field I've ever seen... > > Pags > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:15 PM Mario Baroz <mariobaroz@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Kevin brought up a point that I also was thinking but just slightly >> different. Yes, he crashed as a result of a mistake that he made. But >> also, he crashed pushing hard because of the speed of Quatararo. So in a >> way, FQ won that race in more ways than one. >> >> > > > > > To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: > http://www.ductalk.com/ > and > https://www.facebook.com/ducnet > _____________________ > Ducati mailing list > Ducati@list.ducati.net > http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net > Mailto: desmo900cr@gmail.com To get the links and updates on all today's Ducati news: http://www.ductalk.com/ and https://www.facebook.com/ducnet _____________________ Ducati mailing list Ducati@list.ducati.net http://list.ducati.net/mailman/listinfo/ducati_list.ducati.net Mailto: twolanefun@outlook.com

I mean, it's a bit of an exaggeration, but Dovi had nothing for him, didn't attempt a re-pass, MM was lapping 1s per lap quicker than Dovi, and I'd argue MM dragged Dovi's pace up into contention and Miller giving up a little bit of a fight helped Dovi close that gap. Pags On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM Gene Hunt <Twolanefun@outlook.com> wrote: > "Let's note - he also went by Dovi like he was standing still" - That is > an exaggeration. > > > >