Hello Valerie,
Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.
I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.
There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:
“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847
UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin
“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850
ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy
“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851
HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin
Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.
There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.
Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

Valerie,

Glad to help.

You comment on the numbers leaving Ireland in the 1800s. It is sad that they had to go but there was nothing for most of them here and so many had no choice. Ireland has very few natural resources (no oil, coal, iron ore etc) and so did not benefit from the industrial revolution in the 1800s, the way Scotland, England, the US, Canada & Australia did, which created hundreds of thousands of comparatively well-paid new jobs in new industries (coal mining, steel making, railways, ship building etc). So that was a big pull factor. There had also been a huge population explosion in Ireland going up from about 3 million people in 1750 to 8 million in 1830. There simply weren’t jobs for all those people, and there was no spare land. In much of Ireland the only employment was subsistence farming topped up in Ulster and one or two other areas with a bit of linen weaving. And then the straw that broke the camel’s back, along came the famine, numerous times throughout the 1800s. 

Approximately 8 million people left Ireland between 1801 and 1920 - the equivalent of the entire pre-Famine population. The population today is only around 7 million.

 
Other factors encouraged emigration, eg early mechanisation on farms. With new machines to turn the soil and plant seed, farmers no longer needed an army of agricultural labourers to help on the farm. So those jobs were rapidly disappearing. Likewise mechanisation had led to linen factories being set up in places like Belfast. These made home weaving uneconomic and so also upset the labourer’s family economy. Agriculture was the biggest single employer in Ireland, but it was mostly a barter economy. Few people had any ready cash save what they could make from weaving or any government sponsored work such as building new roads. So when the opportunity arose to get jobs with a regular wage packet, as opposed to a few pence from your father each week, the decision to migrate wasn’t really all that hard to make. So it was as much about economic betterment as anything. 
In addition, the British Government often placed adverts in the press encouraging people to migrate to take advantage of freehold land that was available overseas. (I have attached as an example an article from the Belfast Commercial Chronicle of 1st November 1828 offering lands in Upper Canada). Irish politics, rising rents and landlords refusal to sell freehold land were also important factors but the main driver was probably economic.
People had been pouring out of Ireland long before the worst of the famine. All the famine did was speed the tide up.
 

 
Elwyn

On Monday, 8 August 2022, 23:07:11 BST, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:  

Elwyn,Thank you so much for your continued assistance.  I am just in awe of your research skill and ability.
Thanks for looking for the Flood family.  Since all of the children of Henry Sr. were of his marriage with Barbara Stevenson ( not Catherine) it was a longshot that any Floods would be still there.  Especially since Henry/Catherine  and family left approx. 1851 - with so many others during that famine, one can only imagine about the conditions of the union between Henry Sr. (widower) and Catherine.
The odd thing about Henry Jr. and his Baptism record, is that it is different from the other three children (the other son- William (born 1837 apparently died as a child), and the two girls, Susan and Sarah. Len Swinley sent me the transcription of the Baptism records for the other three and they are all with the same Parish/Church information(Sarah's is attached). ONLY Henry Jr. has "Church of Ireland" and the Pringlehaw / Raphoe on his record.
I recently found a used bookstore with a treasure trove of Irish history books and have been reading up more. To have a country lose such a large part of its population to famine and hunger and political upheaval is truly tragic. What a resilient people!  And the fact that there are 40 million (or more) of us descendants here in the US- it's a great debt we owe them. I am reading Thomas Cahill's How the Irish Saved Civilization and Malachy McCourt's History of Ireland.  (Up until recently I had spent most of my efforts trying to track down my Scots Stewarts - my brother supplied the DNA for that - those ancestors left Scotland at least by 1700 - none of them seem to have been Ulster Scots (except possible for my paternal grandmother's paternal family.)
We are putting the final plans together for our trip "over the water" in September.  I have added visiting the Beltany Stone Circle after the church service on Sunday 11 Sept. We won't make it to Northern Ireland - this trip.I thank you so much for all your assistance.
Valerie
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 2:53 AM elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com wrote:

Valerie,

You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames.  But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace. 

You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.

The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s.  I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.

As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up.  No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.

https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm

Elwyn

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Len,I think you may have found something here.
Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.  Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?

I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available.  So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful. 
(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.
The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:

      Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms

      Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara

      Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

     Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

     No record of a baptism of Henry James
Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)  
Maybe I should try looking  for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location?  Might that be useful?
I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend  the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.
Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.Valerie
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com wrote:

Hello Valerie, 

Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post. 

I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans. 

There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family: 

“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847 

UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin  

“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850 

ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy 

“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851 

HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin 

Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there. 

There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s. 

Hope this helps, 

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia 

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Hello All,

The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed response, but work and life have been a priority.

Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and the indexes will only be found on CTI  and no other website, but there are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?

www.cotyroneireland.comhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/

and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish

www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html

DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815

www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html

DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826

www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html

DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES and JOHN

www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html

Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.

Continued success,

Len Swindley

Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1883https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html

Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html

Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners 1620-1700https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html

Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish, Marriages 1820-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html

Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html

Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html

Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html

Index to Tithe Applotment Book, Donaghmore Parish 1826https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html

Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html

STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html

From: elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 7:53 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com; Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry

Valerie,

You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames.  But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace.

You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.

The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s.  I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.

As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up.  No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.

https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm

Elwyn

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.

Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?

I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available.  So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful.

(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.

The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:

  Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms

  Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara

  Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

 Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

 No record of a baptism of Henry James

Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)

Maybe I should try looking  for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location?  Might that be useful?

I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend  the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.

Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.
Valerie

On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello Valerie,

Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.

I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.

There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:

“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847

UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin

“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850

ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy

“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851

HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin

Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.

There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.

Hope this helps,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Hello again Valerie,

Your excitement is palpable.

The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church).  Prior to this , it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn).

Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply marked their graves with a field stone.

Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most useful, also photos of old headstones.

Enjoy your trip and regards,
Len Swindley

From: Valerie Stewart valeries4kids@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: Len Swindley len_swindley@hotmail.com
Cc: elwyn soutter elwynsoutter@googlemail.com; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry

Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are?
THANK YOU!🌹

I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at the Service on 1 Sept.
Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my family.  I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them with you all.

I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to know about her.  on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words:  To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die"  knowing about who made us possible informs our own life.

You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James.
Valerie

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,

The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed response, but work and life have been a priority.

Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and the indexes will only be found on CTI  and no other website, but there are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line?

www.cotyroneireland.comhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/

and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish

www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html

DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815

www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html

DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826

www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html

DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES and JOHN

www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.htmlhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html

Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data.

Continued success,

Len Swindley

Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html

Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1883https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html

Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html

Donoughmore, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners 1620-1700https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html

Donoughmore Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore Parish, Marriages 1820-99https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html

Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html

Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 1796https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html

Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of Raphoe 1829-31https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html

Index to Tithe Applotment Book,Donaghmore Parish 1815https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html

Index to Tithe Applotment Book, Donaghmore Parish 1826https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html

Public Examination at Castlefin School, Donaghmore Parish 1822https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html

STEVENSON Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of Derry

Valerie,

You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same forenames.  But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers and labourers generally harder to trace.

You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably no connection.

The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen in the 1820s.  I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood family in Irish records.

As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just turn up.  No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish.

https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm

Elwyn

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Len,
I think you may have found something here.

Henry Allen is the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records).
From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that the family went to Philadelphia.
So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him.
Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the passengers?
Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating?

I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more knowledgeable about the records that are available.  So, if you have any suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- I would be very grateful.

(I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and you had found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah.

The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:

  Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of Baptisms

  Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara

  Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

 Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara

 No record of a baptism of Henry James

Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached)

Maybe I should try looking  for records about Catherine Flood Allen's father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his name/location?  Might that be useful?

I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian Church to say I was wanting to attend  the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply.

Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise and knowledge.
Valerie

On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.commailto:len_swindley@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello Valerie,

Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post.

I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St John & New Orleans.

There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and Convoy which may be connected to your family:

“Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847

UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin

“Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850

ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy

“Superior” to Philadelphia 1851

HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin

Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there.

There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s.

Hope this helps,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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