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MPGish
Mon, Jul 17, 2023 8:29 PM

Hi.Very interesting map, thank you!
Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?
What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? How were they appointed? Did they own the land?
Thank you, Peggy, BC, Canada.
On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610

Hi.Very interesting map, thank you! Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh? What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? How were they appointed? Did they own the land? Thank you, Peggy, BC, Canada. On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610
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tchamberswi@gmail.com
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 1:43 PM

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled “School”. What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Hi.

Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?

I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.

Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?

How were they appointed?

Did they own the land?

Thank you,

Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610


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Elwyn Soutter
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 2:18 PM

I can’t answer Tom’s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.

 

If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson’s book: “The Plantation of Ulster” or M. Perceval-Maxwell’s “The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I” are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.

 

The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson’s definition is: “A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to “undertake” the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.” 

 

His definition of Servitor: “A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.”

 

Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.

 

The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantations in  Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn’t all come as part of the Planation (1610 – 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster. 

 
In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary’s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native Irish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:  

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?.  What does that mean?
Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

?Hi.Very interesting map, thank you!
Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?
What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? How were they appointed? Did they own the land?
Thank you, Peggy, BC, Canada.
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I can’t answer Tom’s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.   If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson’s book: “The Plantation of Ulster” or M. Perceval-Maxwell’s “The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I” are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.   The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson’s definition is: “A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to “undertake” the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.”    His definition of Servitor: “A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.”   Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.   The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantations in  Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn’t all come as part of the Planation (1610 – 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.    In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary’s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native Irish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places. Elwyn On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?.  What does that mean? Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: ?Hi.Very interesting map, thank you! Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh? What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? How were they appointed? Did they own the land? Thank you, Peggy, BC, Canada. On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610 ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================
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ECardwell
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 3:32 PM

Lands were set aside for the support of Royal Schools, usually one in each County of the Plantation.

In the case of Tyrone, these lands were for the support of Dungannon Royal School.

Evelyn Cardwell

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On 18 Jul 2023, 14:44, at 14:44, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled
?School?.  What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

?

Hi.

Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see
who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?

I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the
map.

Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor
for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?

How were they appointed?

Did they own the land?

Thank you,

Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList
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Lands were set aside for the support of Royal Schools, usually one in each County of the Plantation. In the case of Tyrone, these lands were for the support of Dungannon Royal School. Evelyn Cardwell ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On 18 Jul 2023, 14:44, at 14:44, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled >?School?. What does that mean? > > >Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA > >Sent from my iPhone > > >On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >? > >Hi. > >Very interesting map, thank you! > > >Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see >who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please? > >I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the >map. > >Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor >for Unagh? > > >What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? > >How were they appointed? > >Did they own the land? > > >Thank you, > >Peggy, BC, Canada. > > >On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > >Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610 > > > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >================================= > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >=================================
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Elwyn Soutter
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 3:36 PM

Thanks for that Evelyn. Didn't know that. The schools is still going today:
https://www.royaldungannon.com/

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 16:33:49 BST, ECardwell via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:  

Lands were set aside for the support of Royal Schools, usually one in each County of the Plantation.

In the case of Tyrone, these lands were for the support of Dungannon Royal School.

Evelyn Cardwell

Get BlueMail for Android On 18 Jul 2023, at 14:44, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?.  What does that mean?
Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

?    Hi.    Very interesting map, thank you!
Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?  I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.  Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?
What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?   How were they appointed?   Did they own the land?
Thank you,   Peggy, BC, Canada.
On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
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Thanks for that Evelyn. Didn't know that. The schools is still going today: https://www.royaldungannon.com/ On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 16:33:49 BST, ECardwell via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Lands were set aside for the support of Royal Schools, usually one in each County of the Plantation. In the case of Tyrone, these lands were for the support of Dungannon Royal School. Evelyn Cardwell Get BlueMail for Android On 18 Jul 2023, at 14:44, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?.  What does that mean? Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: ? Hi. Very interesting map, thank you! Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please? I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map. Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh? What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?  How were they appointed?  Did they own the land? Thank you,  Peggy, BC, Canada. On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610 ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com ================================= Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com Join the list by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to -  cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com =================================
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Pat Hocker
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 3:41 PM

Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting!

Pat

On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

I can’t answer Tom’s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.

If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson’s book: “The Plantation of Ulster” or M. Perceval-Maxwell’s “The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I” are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.

The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson’s definition is: “A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to “undertake” the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.”

His definition of Servitor: “A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.”

Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.

The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantations in  Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn’t all come as part of the Planation (1610 – 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.

In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary’s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native Irish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?.  What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

?
Hi.
Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?
I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.
Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?
How were they appointed?
Did they own the land?

Thank you,
Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

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Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting! Pat > On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > I can’t answer Tom’s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there. > > If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson’s book: “The Plantation of Ulster” or M. Perceval-Maxwell’s “The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I” are both detailed studies which provide masses of data. > > The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson’s definition is: “A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to “undertake” the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.” > > His definition of Servitor: “A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.” > > Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it. > > The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantations in Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn’t all come as part of the Planation (1610 – 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster. > > In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary’s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native Irish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places. > > > > Elwyn > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?. What does that mean? > > Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> > >> ? >> Hi. >> Very interesting map, thank you! >> >> Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please? >> I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map. >> Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh? >> >> What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? >> How were they appointed? >> Did they own the land? >> >> Thank you, >> Peggy, BC, Canada. >> >> On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >> >> Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/maps/images/land1610.png> >> >> >> ================================= >> Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >> List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >> Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >> ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com <mailto:jamckane@gmail.com> > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com <mailto:cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com> > ================================= > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com > List Archive - https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com > =================================
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tchamberswi@gmail.com
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 3:57 PM

Evelyn, thanks for that. So then I am curious to know if exceptional students from England/Scotland were planted there. Or maybe it was to attract families so their children could go to school there?

Tom

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On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting!

Pat

On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

I can’t answer Tom’s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.

If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson’s book: “The Plantation of Ulster” or M. Perceval-Maxwell’s “The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I” are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.

The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson’s definition is: “A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to “undertake” the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.”

His definition of Servitor: “A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.”

Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.

The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantations in Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn’t all come as part of the Planation (1610 – 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.

In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary’s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native Irish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?. What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

?Hi.

Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?

I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.

Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?

How were they appointed?

Did they own the land?

Thank you,

Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610


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Lesley Gmail
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 6:14 PM

Thankyou Elwyn,

You are always a mine of great information. 20% of the Scottish population migrating to Ulster during the 1600’s is an amazing statistic!

Best Regards ... Johnny Carson

On 18 Jul 2023, at 15:19, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:



I can’t answer Tom’s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.

If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson’s book: “The Plantation of Ulster” or M. Perceval-Maxwell’s “The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I” are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.

The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson’s definition is: “A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to “undertake” the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.”

His definition of Servitor: “A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.”

Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.

The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantations in Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn’t all come as part of the Planation (1610 – 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.

In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary’s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native Irish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?. What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

?Hi.

Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?

I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.

Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?

How were they appointed?

Did they own the land?

Thank you,

Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610


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ECardwell
Tue, Jul 18, 2023 7:07 PM

Tom
As far as I know it was to cater for the families who came over to settle, so that their children could receive a good secondary education.   They were sometimes referred to as Free Schools but I think that didn't last very  long.  I don't know of any instances where exceptional students were sent over to settle,  but in later years richer parents would send their sons to board there.

Dungannon Royal School still has a very active and successful boarding department, attracting students from all over the world, but especially south east Asia.

The income from the school lands provided support for the running and upkeep of the school in the past.  School fees also helped.

Evelyn

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On 18 Jul 2023, 16:58, at 16:58, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

Evelyn, thanks for that.

So then I am curious to know if exceptional students from
England/Scotland were planted there.  Or maybe it was to attract
families so their children could go to school there?

Tom

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

?

Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting!

Pat

On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

I can?t answer Tom?s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh
can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that
general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source:
Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.

If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s,
then Philip Robinson?s book: ?The Plantation of Ulster? or M.
Perceval-Maxwell?s ?The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of
James I? are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.

The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson?s definition is: ?A
class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots
who were to ?undertake? the plantation of British settlers on the
estates they obtained.?

His definition of Servitor: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of
English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident
crown servants in Ireland.?

Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the
land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all
land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were
out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you
pleased with it.

The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land
grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a
defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to
bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or
Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area.
(Previous attempts at Plantation s in  Ireland in the 1500s had failed
primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout
the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That
would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the
time. They didn?t all come as part of the Planation (1610 ? 1625). They
came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the
1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major
famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily
change certain counties in Ulster.

In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary?s)
there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000
people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There
was hardly anyone of native I rish origins in the city at all. That
perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some
places.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled
?School?.  What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList
cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:

?

Hi.

Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see
who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?

I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the
map.

Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor
for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?

How were they appointed?

Did they own the land?

Thank you,

Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList
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Tom As far as I know it was to cater for the families who came over to settle, so that their children could receive a good secondary education.   They were sometimes referred to as Free Schools but I think that didn't last very  long.  I don't know of any instances where exceptional students were sent over to settle,  but in later years richer parents would send their sons to board there. Dungannon Royal School still has a very active and successful boarding department, attracting students from all over the world, but especially south east Asia. The income from the school lands provided support for the running and upkeep of the school in the past.  School fees also helped. Evelyn ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On 18 Jul 2023, 16:58, at 16:58, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: >Evelyn, thanks for that. > >So then I am curious to know if exceptional students from >England/Scotland were planted there. Or maybe it was to attract >families so their children could go to school there? > > >Tom > >Sent from my iPhone > > >On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >? > >Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting! > > >Pat > > >On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > >I can?t answer Tom?s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh >can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that >general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: >Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there. > > > >If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, >then Philip Robinson?s book: ?The Plantation of Ulster? or M. >Perceval-Maxwell?s ?The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of >James I? are both detailed studies which provide masses of data. > > > >The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson?s definition is: ?A >class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots >who were to ?undertake? the plantation of British settlers on the >estates they obtained.? > > > >His definition of Servitor: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of >English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident >crown servants in Ireland.? > > > >Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the >land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all >land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were >out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you >pleased with it. > > > >The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land >grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a >defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to >bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or >Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. >(Previous attempts at Plantation s in Ireland in the 1500s had failed >primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout >the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That >would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the >time. They didn?t all come as part of the Planation (1610 ? 1625). They >came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the >1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major >famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily >change certain counties in Ulster. > > > >In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary?s) >there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 >people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There >was hardly anyone of native I rish origins in the city at all. That >perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some >places. > > > > >Elwyn > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > > >On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled >?School?. What does that mean? > > >Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA > >Sent from my iPhone > > >On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >? > >Hi. > >Very interesting map, thank you! > > >Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see >who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please? > >I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the >map. > >Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor >for Unagh? > > >What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please? > >How were they appointed? > >Did they own the land? > > >Thank you, > >Peggy, BC, Canada. > > >On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList ><cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > > >Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610 > > > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >================================= > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneire land.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >================================= > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >================================= > > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >================================= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >================================= >Send a Message to the List - cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com >List Archive - >https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com >Join the list by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-subscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >To receive the Digest version, send an email to - jamckane@gmail.com >Unsubscribe by sending an email to - >cotyronelist-unsubscribe@list.cotyroneireland.com >=================================
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Thanks, Evelyn. Tom

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On Jul 18, 2023, at 2:07 PM, ECardwell <ecardwell@btinternet.com> wrote:

Tom

As far as I know it was to cater for the families who came over to settle, so that their children could receive a good secondary education. They were sometimes referred to as Free Schools but I think that didn't last very long. I don't know of any instances where exceptional students were sent over to settle, but in later years richer parents would send their sons to board there.

Dungannon Royal School still has a very active and successful boarding department, attracting students from all over the world, but especially south east Asia.

The income from the school lands provided support for the running and upkeep of the school in the past. School fees also helped.

Evelyn

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On 18 Jul 2023, at 16:58, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:> Evelyn, thanks for that.  So then I am curious to know if exceptional students from England/Scotland were planted there. Or maybe it was to attract families so their children could go to school there?

Tom

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On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Pat Hocker via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

? Thank you, Elwyn - very, very interesting!

Pat

On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

I can?t answer Tom?s query about school. But Peggy's query about Unagh can probably be answered. Unagh was in the parish of Lissan and that general area (near Cookstown) appears to have been church land. Source: Robinson page 163. So no undertaker or servitor there.

If folk want to read up about the Plantation and Tyrone in the 1600s, then Philip Robinson?s book: ?The Plantation of Ulster? or M. Perceval-Maxwell?s ?The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I? are both detailed studies which provide masses of data.

The Undertakers were the major landowners. Robinson?s definition is: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of influential English and Scots who were to ?undertake? the plantation of British settlers on the estates they obtained.?

His definition of Servitor: ?A class of plantation grantee composed of English administrative and military officials who were mostly resident crown servants in Ireland.?

Both categories were appointed by the Crown. They effectively owned the land and could more or less do what they wished, though ultimately all land belonged to the Crown and so periodically got forfeit if you were out of favour, but otherwise you were generally free to do as you pleased with it.

The undertakers undertook to do various things in return for their land grant. Namely to build public buildings and roads, schools, a bawn (a defensive fortress), to establish a militia for local defence, and to bring significant numbers of tenants from their Scottish, English or Welsh estates to establish a significant community in the area. (Previous attempts at Plantation s in Ireland in the 1500s had failed primarily because insufficient settlers arrived or stayed.). Throughout the 1600s some estimates reckon 200,000 Scots settled in Ulster. That would have been about 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. They didn?t all come as part of the Planation (1610 ? 1625). They came in batches all through the 1600s and there was a big influx in the 1680s and 1690s due to the Killing Times in Scotland and then a major famine. But the outcome was certainly to dominate or at least heavily change certain counties in Ulster.

In 1784 when the first Catholic church opened in Belfast (St Mary?s) there were something like 357 Catholics in a city of around 13,000 people. The rest were all Protestants, mainly Presbyterian Scots. There was hardly anyone of native I rish origins in the city at all. That perhaps give the flavour of the impact of the Plantation in some places.

Elwyn

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023, 14:44:13 BST, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

On this Map of Allocations from c1610, there is a large area labeled ?School?. What does that mean?

Tom Chambers Wisconsin/Florida USA

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On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:29 PM, MPGish via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

?  Hi.

Very interesting map, thank you!

Is there an overlay of this map to a modern map that I could use to see who was who for my people in Unagh near Cookstown, please?

I don't know the area well enough to work out where Unagh is on the map.

Or does anyone know the details of who was the undertaker and servitor for Unagh?

What were the functions of the 'undertaker' and the 'servitor' please?

How were they appointed?

Did they own the land?

Thank you,

Peggy, BC, Canada.

On Jul 16, 2023, at 8:16 AM, James McKane via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

Map of Allocations of Land in Co Tyrone c1610


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