Safely!/Safety?
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen & read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning & taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco
finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're
asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone
appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm
still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video).
Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run
into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone?
Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again:
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Peejay Burre morinimoe@gmail.com wrote:
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen &
read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these
guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll
stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for
Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the
other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only
because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The
corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day
rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs
yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed
players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who
replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched
locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning &
taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm
with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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I'm with Pags on this one. As best I can tell, Zarco did not complete the
pass, and swung into Morbidelli's line with zero clearance and on the
brakes. What do you think is going to happen? I've said this before: with
the way our brains work, Morbidelli knew he was going to hit Zarco about a
1/4 of a second AFTER he hit him. Yes, this is MotoGP, where you expect
paint scraping and "coming through" moments. Riders should be responsible
for not exceeding the other rider's reaction time or the bike's physics,
but they miscalculate, often with accidents as results. What made this one
special was the speed of the crashing bikes.
Fix that part of the track.
And, how does this compare to baseball? Baseball players average .07 mph
(okay, I made that up), they spend most of the game either standing in the
field, or sitting on a bench. And, if I swing on a 3-0 and miss, I walk
back to the bench, head held low. If I miss in a MotoGP race, I get carried
out with my head strapped down to a back board. As Yogi Berra said, "when
you come to a fork in the road, take it."
On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 10:25, Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco
finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're
asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone
appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm
still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video).
Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run
into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone?
Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again:
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Peejay Burre morinimoe@gmail.com wrote:
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen &
read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these
guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll
stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for
Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the
other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only
because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The
corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day
rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs
yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed
players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who
replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched
locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning &
taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm
with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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Nobody swung into nobody. Morbi unintentionally hit Zarc from behind as a
result, because he didn’t want to get passed. He was still on full throttle
when Zarc passed him; That’s normal. It’s whoever brakes first got the
smaller balls. The “problem” was that Zarco did go wide exiting the corner,
which was a normal trajectory. Every rider going in and out of that kink
have similar lines (enter/exit). Zarco took advantage of that small opening
using his Ducati power. Morbi with his racing instinct did not back
down—BAM!!!!
When something or someone passes another going in the same direction, both
will be lateral at one point. ( I’m sure Morbi saw Zarco at this point)
When this occurred to the two subjects, none of them backed down. Zarco was
already fully committed to the pass and have made it. No way in hell he
would’ve changed his mind and decelerated/braked in the middle of the pass.
Morbi “lost” because: a. Zarco’s bike is faster. b. Zarco was in a slip
stream. c. Morbi ran into the back of Zarco.
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At WSMC we used to race every month, rain or shine. A fellow racer whom I
had raced against many times, chopped my front wheel when entering the
fastest turn on the course. I hit the brakes so hard that the rear wheel
came off the ground at 130 plus. Later he came to my pit and apologized.
Several racer friends came to him after the race to tell him his pass was
nearly a collision. It happens. If I hadn't reacted successfully, we would
have had an ugly coming together.
Not the same situation as last sunday, but close enough to make my butt
pucker. Bad judgement on Zarco's part. I hope he learns from it.
This was a racing incident, nothing more. When you race all kinds of bad
shit can happen. Everybody knows this who races, and none of us dwell on
it. It's bad juju to keep it in the forefront of your mind. Second guessing
leads you to trouble on the track. Go with your instincts honed by what
you've learned over the years. Learn by your mistakes.
Rant off,
Jack Ward
Knoxville, TN
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 1:25 PM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco
finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're
asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone
appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm
still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video).
Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run
into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone?
Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again:
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Peejay Burre morinimoe@gmail.com wrote:
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen &
read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these
guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll
stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for
Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the
other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only
because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The
corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day
rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs
yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed
players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who
replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched
locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning &
taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm
with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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Good stuff Jack.
"It's bad juju to keep it in the forefront of your mind."
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] Safely!/Safety?
At WSMC we used to race every month, rain or shine. A fellow racer whom I had raced against many times, chopped my front wheel when entering the fastest turn on the course. I hit the brakes so hard that the rear wheel came off the ground at 130 plus. Later he came to my pit and apologized. Several racer friends came to him after the race to tell him his pass was nearly a collision. It happens. If I hadn't reacted successfully, we would have had an ugly coming together.
Not the same situation as last sunday, but close enough to make my butt pucker. Bad judgement on Zarco's part. I hope he learns from it.
This was a racing incident, nothing more. When you race all kinds of bad shit can happen. Everybody knows this who races, and none of us dwell on it. It's bad juju to keep it in the forefront of your mind. Second guessing leads you to trouble on the track. Go with your instincts honed by what you've learned over the years. Learn by your mistakes.
Rant off,
Jack Ward
Knoxville, TN
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 1:25 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.commailto:ajpags@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video). Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone? Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
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Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen & read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning & taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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It’s professional racing in the highest level. Expect someone passing at
the limit or braking in your face at the braking point. It’s Not a track
day.
Let’s have them put on blinkers and brake lights, or use hand signals when
turning left,
Right, or braking.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:25 PM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco
finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're
asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone
appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm
still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video).
Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run
into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone?
Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again:
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Peejay Burre morinimoe@gmail.com wrote:
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen &
read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these
guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll
stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for
Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the
other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only
because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The
corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day
rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs
yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed
players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who
replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched
locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning &
taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm
with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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I though racing was like boating.
It is the overtaking vehicles responsibility to pass safely.
Zarco was past so it's Morbidelli's responsibility to be in control.
Brian
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] Safely!/Safety?
It’s professional racing in the highest level. Expect someone passing at the limit or braking in your face at the braking point. It’s Not a track day.
Let’s have them put on blinkers and brake lights, or use hand signals when turning left,
Right, or braking.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:25 PM Tony Pags <ajpags@gmail.commailto:ajpags@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video). Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone? Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
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Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen & read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning & taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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We could start a whole new thread here; boating and biking.
Motorboating is also the same in the way you can bring the rear around to
point in a new direction, and how you can get high sided if you mess it up.
Getting back to Lan's comment, I like his ideas. I think MotoGP could be a
whole new experience if everyone was using hand signals. We could have the
middle finger (two finger V for you Brits - which brings up a whole new
challenge of agreed signals), the WTF arm wave, the Italian (I believe)
hand flick off the chin, and that's just a start. For greater emphasis,
riders could use two handed signals, or, for even more excitement, signal
while standing on the pegs, or even the seat. Heck, we could forget about
the racing all together and just have a clown show of a bunch of guys (I'm
not sure that Maria Herrera would be interested in stooping to this level)
riding around flipping each other off. The more I think about it, the more
I like this idea. How many more times do we have to watch a slow motion
shot of someone like FQ going 70mph with his bike at 62+ degrees of lean
and him scraping his shoulder, or Marquez passing Dovi in the last bend
only to have Dovi come back and power past him just before the finish line?
It's time for a seismic shift in MotoGP, and I think we've all got Lan to
thank for pointing us all in this new direction. I will be contacting Dorna
immediately to begin discussions; that is, right after I take my medicine
(nursey says it's time for my twosees) and have a little lie down.
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 08:26, Brian Conner bscco@hotmail.com wrote:
I though racing was like boating.
It is the overtaking vehicles responsibility to pass safely.
Zarco was past so it's Morbidelli's responsibility to be in control.
Brian
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] Safely!/Safety?
It’s professional racing in the highest level. Expect someone passing at
the limit or braking in your face at the braking point. It’s Not a track
day.
Let’s have them put on blinkers and brake lights, or use hand signals when
turning left,
Right, or braking.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:25 PM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco
finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're
asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone
appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm
still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video).
Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run
into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone?
Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again:
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Peejay Burre morinimoe@gmail.com wrote:
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen &
read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these
guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll
stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for
Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the
other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only
because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The
corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day
rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs
yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed
players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who
replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched
locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning &
taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm
with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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ROFL
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:47 AM Kevin Kachadourian kkachadourian@gmail.com
wrote:
We could start a whole new thread here; boating and biking.
Motorboating is also the same in the way you can bring the rear around to
point in a new direction, and how you can get high sided if you mess it up.
Getting back to Lan's comment, I like his ideas. I think MotoGP could be a
whole new experience if everyone was using hand signals. We could have the
middle finger (two finger V for you Brits - which brings up a whole new
challenge of agreed signals), the WTF arm wave, the Italian (I believe)
hand flick off the chin, and that's just a start. For greater emphasis,
riders could use two handed signals, or, for even more excitement, signal
while standing on the pegs, or even the seat. Heck, we could forget about
the racing all together and just have a clown show of a bunch of guys (I'm
not sure that Maria Herrera would be interested in stooping to this level)
riding around flipping each other off. The more I think about it, the more
I like this idea. How many more times do we have to watch a slow motion
shot of someone like FQ going 70mph with his bike at 62+ degrees of lean
and him scraping his shoulder, or Marquez passing Dovi in the last bend
only to have Dovi come back and power past him just before the finish line?
It's time for a seismic shift in MotoGP, and I think we've all got Lan to
thank for pointing us all in this new direction. I will be contacting Dorna
immediately to begin discussions; that is, right after I take my medicine
(nursey says it's time for my twosees) and have a little lie down.
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 08:26, Brian Conner bscco@hotmail.com wrote:
I though racing was like boating.
It is the overtaking vehicles responsibility to pass safely.
Zarco was past so it's Morbidelli's responsibility to be in control.
Brian
From: Ducati ducati-bounces@list.ducati.net on behalf of Lan Max <
nolanmaxxx@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 9:19 AM
To: Ducati Owners Group ducati@list.ducati.net
Subject: Re: [Ducati] Safely!/Safety?
It’s professional racing in the highest level. Expect someone passing at
the limit or braking in your face at the braking point. It’s Not a track
day.
Let’s have them put on blinkers and brake lights, or use hand signals
when turning left,
Right, or braking.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:25 PM Tony Pags ajpags@gmail.com wrote:
Let's agree to disagree here, but it sure doesn't appear to me that Zarco
finished the pass cleanly, ran wide and took out MOR's wheel. You're
asking a guy that can't see behind him to react suddenly to someone
appearing, and then slowing down directly in front of him (although I'm
still not sure Franco had a chance to do that after watching the video).
Further, wouldn't it be especially weird for Franco just to randomly run
into the back of Zarco at the beginning of a potential braking zone?
Watch, rewind, watch again, and again, and again:
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/johann-zarco-franco-morbidelli-crash-red-flags-motogp-austrian-grand-prix
Don't brake in my face. ~VR46
Pags
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Peejay Burre morinimoe@gmail.com wrote:
Geez, I'd like some better video but thus far from what I've seen &
read Morbidelli ran into Zarc, plain & simple. I could be wrong but these
guys are the best & the stakes highest. What was Morbidelli thinking, I'll
stay on throttle & just drive through Zarco? What are the standards for
Completing a Pass Safely? Best I can tell it's that you've fronted the
other guy & made the next corner. Zarc didn't make the next corner but only
because he got BoZo'd, best I can tell. Was Zarc a tad banzai? The
corollary is, are we watching MotoGP? These guys don't play by track day
rules or AHRMA rules or CCS rules or even AMA rules. Somebody in the Bigs
yesterday swung on a 3-0 pitch hitting a Grand Slam and all the soft headed
players complained "He swung on a 3-0!?" but I stand with Johnny Bench who
replied, "Yeah, you mean give 'em the strike so 3-1, then the pitched
locates a great throw so 3-2 & the you ground into a DP ending the inning &
taking 4 runs off the board. Swing on 3-0, you're playing baseball!". I'm
with Johnny even though Yogi was the best ever. Phil/NJ
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