Marquez's absence has lessened the value..
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And
you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top
step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When
I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani
[Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out.
At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should
be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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Having been a competitive swimmer for many years you can only beat the
people who turn up and race, you can’t race the people injured or absent.
MM is a phenomenal rider and his last 6-7 years have shown how talented and
dominant he is, however I don’t agree him not being in motoGP has devalued
it. Racing has been close and entertaining, people and bikes have been on
and off each week and often each track session. New riders have shown speed
and competitiveness and new teams have taken the opportunity in front of
them
Just my personal opinion
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:57 PM Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And
you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top
step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When
I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani
[Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out.
At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should
be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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Disagree with Lan? I wouldn't dare.
On the other hand, I might, in a way.
Of course, Marquez has taken MotoGP to a new level, and all kudos to him
for doing so.
There's no leader at the moment because, as the Occupy people say, "we're
all leaders." This moment in MotoGP is one of those wonderfully refreshing
moments when there is constant competition amongst a number of riders and
manufacturers. I love it. I love watching Marquez ride, but, like Rossi
before him, he makes MotoGP a bid less exciting, less edge of your seat ("a
race to remember - looks like second place might be decided in the last
bend," does not have quite the same ring).
And, let's wait and see how it goes after Marquez comes back. The
technology is always evolving, and new blood is always pushing the
boundaries. There is always the chance that Marquez will come back to a
field that has caught up with him. Just the improvement in tires (tyres for
you Brits) has allowed advances among riders who were struggling with them
before (though not always).
And, even if Marquez comes back and spanks all the other riders on his way
to a few more titles, even if he sets all the records for titles, wins,
podiums, even if he can manage a career as long as Rossi's, he will never
equal Rossi. Beyond his history of amazing riding, his wins, his battles,
and his incredibly long career battling at the front of racing, Rossi has a
panache, a sense of showmanship that has no equal.
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! };-(
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 19:57, Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And
you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top
step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When
I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani
[Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out.
At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should
be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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I think the championship became a lot more interesting. One has only to
look at lap times and lap records and see how the grid performance is by no
means diminished. A championship winner is one that at least can show up to
enough races and many may be making the choice to take less risks and stay
on the bike, while MM pushes the envelope. This results in more spectacular
performances, but also more crashes and at some point you pay that price.
That's the great equalizer - unless you are Crutchlow :)))
Anyway, I think there would be something special in beating MM if he was
racing the entire season, but the championship is by no means diminished.
Tough field out there.
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:31 PM Gavin Lessing-Caller glcaller@gmail.com
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Having been a competitive swimmer for many years you can only beat the
people who turn up and race, you can’t race the people injured or absent.
MM is a phenomenal rider and his last 6-7 years have shown how talented
and dominant he is, however I don’t agree him not being in motoGP has
devalued it. Racing has been close and entertaining, people and bikes have
been on and off each week and often each track session. New riders have
shown speed and competitiveness and new teams have taken the opportunity in
front of them
Just my personal opinion
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:57 PM Lan Max nolanmaxxx@gmail.com wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And
you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top
step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
When I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani
[Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out.
At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should
be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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Disagree with Lan? I wouldn't dare.
On the other hand, I might, in a way.
Of course, Marquez has taken MotoGP to a new level, and all kudos to him for doing so.
There's no leader at the moment because, as the Occupy people say, "we're all leaders." This moment in MotoGP is one of those wonderfully refreshing moments when there is constant competition amongst a number of riders and manufacturers. I love it. I love watching Marquez ride, but, like Rossi before him, he makes MotoGP a bid less exciting, less edge of your seat ("a race to remember - looks like second place might be decided in the last bend," does not have quite the same ring).
And, let's wait and see how it goes after Marquez comes back. The technology is always evolving, and new blood is always pushing the boundaries. There is always the chance that Marquez will come back to a field that has caught up with him. Just the improvement in tires (tyres for you Brits) has allowed advances among riders who were struggling with them before (though not always).
And, even if Marquez comes back and spanks all the other riders on his way to a few more titles, even if he sets all the records for titles, wins, podiums, even if he can manage a career as long as Rossi's, he will never equal Rossi. Beyond his history of amazing riding, his wins, his battles, and his incredibly long career battling at the front of racing, Rossi has a panache, a sense of showmanship that has no equal.
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! };-(
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 19:57, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.commailto:nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani [Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out. At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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Disagree with Lan? I wouldn't dare.
On the other hand, I might, in a way.
Of course, Marquez has taken MotoGP to a new level, and all kudos to him for doing so.
There's no leader at the moment because, as the Occupy people say, "we're all leaders." This moment in MotoGP is one of those wonderfully refreshing moments when there is constant competition amongst a number of riders and manufacturers. I love it. I love watching Marquez ride, but, like Rossi before him, he makes MotoGP a bid less exciting, less edge of your seat ("a race to remember - looks like second place might be decided in the last bend," does not have quite the same ring).
And, let's wait and see how it goes after Marquez comes back. The technology is always evolving, and new blood is always pushing the boundaries. There is always the chance that Marquez will come back to a field that has caught up with him. Just the improvement in tires (tyres for you Brits) has allowed advances among riders who were struggling with them before (though not always).
And, even if Marquez comes back and spanks all the other riders on his way to a few more titles, even if he sets all the records for titles, wins, podiums, even if he can manage a career as long as Rossi's, he will never equal Rossi. Beyond his history of amazing riding, his wins, his battles, and his incredibly long career battling at the front of racing, Rossi has a panache, a sense of showmanship that has no equal.
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! };-(
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 19:57, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.commailto:nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani [Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out. At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
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Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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I agree with Lan. MM93 is the best rider in MotoGP and if he manages a couple more titles, he will be, if he's not already, in the conversation for the GOAT. Competitors want to (or should want to) beat the best and if the best is not there for some reason and they win, that win is diminished. It can't not be, it just can't. You don't know if your best is the best in the world if the best in the world is not there to measure yourself against.
As for Kevin's assertion that MM93 can never equal Rossi, I would have to disagree. Rossi put on shows both in riding displays and celebrations when he was younger and winning but that is not longer the case. Marc has done just as astounding races and just as entertaining post-race celebrations. Just because MM93 has ruffled the feathers of the Rossi believers doesn't diminish what he has done. I personally like him and think he's just as entertaining as Rossi. They both have their great qualities. I'll give you that Rossi is warmer and funnier. Rossi will have a GREAT legacy when he eventually retires, deservedly so. But Marc is still building his and will be remembered just as fondly by his legions of fans.
Mario
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Disagree with Lan? I wouldn't dare.
On the other hand, I might, in a way.
Of course, Marquez has taken MotoGP to a new level, and all kudos to him for doing so.
There's no leader at the moment because, as the Occupy people say, "we're all leaders." This moment in MotoGP is one of those wonderfully refreshing moments when there is constant competition amongst a number of riders and manufacturers. I love it. I love watching Marquez ride, but, like Rossi before him, he makes MotoGP a bid less exciting, less edge of your seat ("a race to remember - looks like second place might be decided in the last bend," does not have quite the same ring).
And, let's wait and see how it goes after Marquez comes back. The technology is always evolving, and new blood is always pushing the boundaries. There is always the chance that Marquez will come back to a field that has caught up with him. Just the improvement in tires (tyres for you Brits) has allowed advances among riders who were struggling with them before (though not always).
And, even if Marquez comes back and spanks all the other riders on his way to a few more titles, even if he sets all the records for titles, wins, podiums, even if he can manage a career as long as Rossi's, he will never equal Rossi. Beyond his history of amazing riding, his wins, his battles, and his incredibly long career battling at the front of racing, Rossi has a panache, a sense of showmanship that has no equal.
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! };-(
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 19:57, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.commailto:nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani [Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out. At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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I agree with Lan. MM93 is the best rider in MotoGP and if he manages a couple more titles, he will be, if he's not already, in the conversation for the GOAT. Competitors want to (or should want to) beat the best and if the best is not there for some reason and they win, that win is diminished. It can't not be, it just can't. You don't know if your best is the best in the world if the best in the world is not there to measure yourself against.
As for Kevin's assertion that MM93 can never equal Rossi, I would have to disagree. Rossi put on shows both in riding displays and celebrations when he was younger and winning but that is not longer the case. Marc has done just as astounding races and just as entertaining post-race celebrations. Just because MM93 has ruffled the feathers of the Rossi believers doesn't diminish what he has done. I personally like him and think he's just as entertaining as Rossi. They both have their great qualities. I'll give you that Rossi is warmer and funnier. Rossi will have a GREAT legacy when he eventually retires, deservedly so. But Marc is still building his and will be remembered just as fondly by his legions of fans.
Mario
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Subject: Re: [Ducati] Marquez's absence has lessened the value..
Disagree with Lan? I wouldn't dare.
On the other hand, I might, in a way.
Of course, Marquez has taken MotoGP to a new level, and all kudos to him for doing so.
There's no leader at the moment because, as the Occupy people say, "we're all leaders." This moment in MotoGP is one of those wonderfully refreshing moments when there is constant competition amongst a number of riders and manufacturers. I love it. I love watching Marquez ride, but, like Rossi before him, he makes MotoGP a bid less exciting, less edge of your seat ("a race to remember - looks like second place might be decided in the last bend," does not have quite the same ring).
And, let's wait and see how it goes after Marquez comes back. The technology is always evolving, and new blood is always pushing the boundaries. There is always the chance that Marquez will come back to a field that has caught up with him. Just the improvement in tires (tyres for you Brits) has allowed advances among riders who were struggling with them before (though not always).
And, even if Marquez comes back and spanks all the other riders on his way to a few more titles, even if he sets all the records for titles, wins, podiums, even if he can manage a career as long as Rossi's, he will never equal Rossi. Beyond his history of amazing riding, his wins, his battles, and his incredibly long career battling at the front of racing, Rossi has a panache, a sense of showmanship that has no equal.
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! };-(
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 19:57, Lan Max <nolanmaxxx@gmail.commailto:nolanmaxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
“Marquez's absence has lessened the value of the championship..
Without Marc there, quite honestly, there's no leader at the moment. And you see that by the results, by the people that are standing on the top step of the podium.
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani [Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out. At the moment they don't have that rider to do it, and show what you should be doing each weekend, a level of consistency throughout a season.
Marc was a clear leader and took that
Championship to another level..”
Who wants to disagree and dispute this?
Go ahead, I dare ya! :)
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level.
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A diminished championship is crap. Did Lorenzo catch heat for winning when
Casey retired? Aren't there still people that think Casey would dominate
even in the Marquez era?
You have to be in it to win it. MM was pressured and made a costly mistake
that likely (and note, I still don't count him out) ruined his
championship. That's racing, and there are no asterisks with this
championship. Marc had his opportunity to win just like everyone else that
gridded up. As a good friend of mine once said when his personal grid was
light "Doesn't really matter much, I was going to beat everyone anyway".
That's how racers think.
Time will tell on MM's legacy. Mick dominated, but hasn't left a legacy
the way Rossi will. We're not sure of MM's plans for the future just yet.
Pags (who had 2 crashes and 2 wins himself last weekend in CCS)
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:17 AM Mario Baroz mariobaroz@hotmail.com wrote:
I agree with Lan. MM93 is the best rider in MotoGP and if he manages a
couple more titles, he will be, if he's not already, in the conversation
for the GOAT.
Yes, guy who lost the fight with gravity is on everyone’s mind, but mainly only before the race. During the race, it has been better for his absence because of the possibilities it offers. Remember when Mick Doohan won race after race after race? People literally stopped watching and it was a common opinion that he was ruining the sport. I no longer agree the championship will be diminished because the racing is amazing and no one guy benefited. The new tires are a big part of that. If MM had gotten injured and that handed the championship to say, Dovi then sure, there would be a shadow over the accomplishment. But that has clearly not been the case as anybody playing the fantasy (aka pin the tail on the donkey) leagues can attest.
Worth noting though - it’s pretty clear that the Honda is not much of a machine without MM. In fact it’s looking like the worst bike on the grid. Sort of spotlights the position Honda is in if MM’s injury is chronic.
Vicki
On Sep 15, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Gavin Lessing-Caller glcaller@gmail.com wrote:
Having been a competitive swimmer for many years you can only beat the people who turn up and race, you can’t race the people injured or absent.
MM is a phenomenal rider and his last 6-7 years have shown how talented and dominant he is, however I don’t agree him not being in motoGP has devalued it. Racing has been close and entertaining, people and bikes have been on and off each week and often each track session. New riders have shown speed and competitiveness and new teams have taken the opportunity in front of them
Just my personal opinion
"Marc was a clear leader and took that championship to another level. When I was there it was myself, Valentino [Rossi], Jorge [Lorenzo] and Dani [Pedrosa] that were sort of always at the front stretching the field out. At
"Marc was a clear leader and took