St. Michael's Church of Ireland, Castlecaulfield, Donaghmore Parish, Co.
Tyrone, Northern Ireland Baptisms 1771-80
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/stmichaels4.html

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

I wouldn't get too hung up about the spelling in older documents - seems likely to me those variations are down to the minister's interpretation of the name - Mc and O were easily dropped over time.

Since the parents are listed as Francis & Dorothy I think you can safely assume that these are your direct ancestors.

Bobby Forrest

http://www.ulstergenealogyandlocalhistoryblog.com/2017/09/whats-in-name.html
[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7pC0Y4AWHFs/WcLGjf7HsWI/AAAAAAAAAMY/vR00gB_AH1UdRoxSs4oEItSpwLA7aYh5ACLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/O%2527Prichard.tif]http://www.ulstergenealogyandlocalhistoryblog.com/2017/09/whats-in-name.html
What's in a name? - Ulster Genealogy and Local History Bloghttp://www.ulstergenealogyandlocalhistoryblog.com/2017/09/whats-in-name.html
The registers of Donaghcloney Church of Ireland are well preserved and fairly complete from 1697 and in the registers we find that Uprichard, Bridget and Prichard are used interchangeably yet appear to refer to the same branches of families that resided in the area from the 17th century.
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Jim,
I believe one of the listed could be my fourth great grandfather. I’ve never seen the Taggart spelled as  McO’Tagart , or the McA’Taggart. Both of these have Francis and Dorothy as parents which my William has. My William was 1769, his brother John was 1767 his brother James 1760 and sister Ann 1758. Any idea if they could be the same parents? Dorothy and Francis are where I hit a brick wall. Any help is truly appreciated. I believe I was at this church back in 2013 but there was no one at the church and I was unable to look at records. My gggreat grandfather was William, his son was Francis, who was on the Oligby plantation in the Griffiths Validation in Lower Liscloon, Co Tyrone. His son John came to NYC in 1868 and Francis joined in 1879. My grandfather, William, was born in  NYC in 1873 and my father in 1906. So names fit but can’t go back further. Thanks for listening. Pat Taggart O’Fallon

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Pat,

I recall you researching in DONAGHEADY parish and sent you data; the
townland you refer to (Liscloon Lower) is close to Donemana in
Donagheady parish. The St. Michael's, Castlecaulfield data Jim is
posting relates to DONAGHMORE parish, many light years apart in mid
1800s Ireland, especially so for a day labourer. The Taggart house in
Liscloon was an extremely basic structure with an annual valuation of
only ten shillings - it would have consisted of just one or two rooms
with a straw roof. 

I have serious doubts that the Donagheady and Donaghmore families
could have been connected.

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Jim,I believe one of the listed could be my fourth great grandfather.
I’ve never seen the Taggart spelled as  McO’Tagart , or the
McA’Taggart. Both of these have Francis and Dorothy as parents which
my William has. My William was 1769, his brother John was 1767 his
brother James 1760 and sister Ann 1758. Any idea if they could be the
same parents? Dorothy and Francis are where I hit a brick wall. Any
help is truly appreciated. I believe I was at this church back in 2013
but there was no one at the church and I was unable to look at
records. My gggreat grandfather was William, his son was Francis, who
was on the Oligby plantation in the Griffiths Validation in Lower
Liscloon, Co Tyrone. His son John came to NYC in 1868 and Francis
joined in 1879. My grandfather, William, was born in  NYC in 1873 and
my father in 1906. So names fit but can’t go back further. Thanks
for listening. Pat Taggart O’Fallon

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It was a typical Spring day on Friday ... blustery weather with
occasional showers, when the eagerly awaited, long anticipated book
arrived: Bill Roulston's /Researching Farming Ancestors in Ireland./ I'm
already well into it now, but had barely started, when the author used
his own family as an example when discussing Irish Censuses.
Researchers, particularly new comers to genealogy, could be interested
in his discussion of the census records of his great-great-grandfather.
In brief ...

In the 1901 return, the census shows his g-g-grandfather as an unmarried
30-year-old-farmer. Bill then goes on to caution the researcher to
always treat ages with caution - even in census returns! Roulston's
ancestor, Charles, was in fact 35 in 1901!

Moving on to the 1911 census, Chaarles had married and his age in the
Census was given as 50, when it should have been 45!! (He hadn't aged 20
years in 10). His wife was suposedly aged 30, when in fact she was 33,
so what appeared to be a 20-year age gap between them was in reality 13
years!

(ref: para 2.3.2 Census Returns 1901-11; /Household Return (Form A),/ p27-8)

'Nuf said.

Enjoy, Gordon

We have noted such discrepancies in census ages repeated.  Does it show the distain they held for the census and authority, or is it simply that they did not pay much attention to birthdays back then? Or when the census man came to call, whover was in the house just guessed at everyone else's age? Back then it was the assessor who filled in the form, not the householder.  I can understand losing track of age as one grows older (I have to stop and think!). My mother was always 5 years out in her age, as she had lied to my father when they were courting - she was a widow with two children......
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On 5 Oct 2021, at 04:09, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

It was a typical Spring day on Friday ... blustery weather with occasional showers, when the eagerly awaited, long anticipated book arrived: Bill Roulston's Researching Farming Ancestors in Ireland. I'm already well into it now, but had barely started, when the author used his own family as an example when discussing Irish Censuses. Researchers, particularly new comers to genealogy, could be interested in his discussion of the census records of his great-great-grandfather. In brief ...

In the 1901 return, the census shows his g-g-grandfather as an unmarried 30-year-old-farmer. Bill then goes on to caution the researcher to always treat ages with caution - even in census returns! Roulston's ancestor, Charles, was in fact 35 in 1901!

Moving on to the 1911 census, Chaarles had married and his age in the Census was given as 50, when it should have been 45!! (He hadn't aged 20 years in 10). His wife was suposedly aged 30, when in fact she was 33, so what appeared to be a 20-year age gap between them was in reality 13 years!

(ref: para 2.3.2 Census Returns 1901-11; Household Return (Form A), p27-8)

'Nuf said.

Enjoy, Gordon

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The discrepancy between ages (especially in the older age group) in the ten years between 1901 and 1911 can often be explained by the introduction of Old Age Pensions in 1908.
The Old Age Pensions Act 1908 introduced a non-contributory pension for 'eligible' people aged 70 and over. It came into law in January 1909 across England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
To be eligible, applicants had to have an income of less than £31 and 10shillings per annum (£31.50), and had to 'be of good character'.

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We have noted such discrepancies in census ages repeated.  Does it show the distain they held for the census and authority, or is it simply that they did not pay much attention to birthdays back then? Or when the census man came to call, whover was in the house just guessed at everyone else's age? Back then it was the assessor who filled in the form, not the householder.  I can understand losing track of age as one grows older (I have to stop and think!). My mother was always 5 years out in her age, as she had lied to my father when they were courting - she was a widow with two children......
Roger

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On 5 Oct 2021, at 04:09, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.commailto:cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

It was a typical Spring day on Friday ... blustery weather with occasional showers, when the eagerly awaited, long anticipated book arrived: Bill Roulston's Researching Farming Ancestors in Ireland. I'm already well into it now, but had barely started, when the author used his own family as an example when discussing Irish Censuses. Researchers, particularly new comers to genealogy, could be interested in his discussion of the census records of his great-great-grandfather. In brief ...

In the 1901 return, the census shows his g-g-grandfather as an unmarried 30-year-old-farmer. Bill then goes on to caution the researcher to always treat ages with caution - even in census returns! Roulston's ancestor, Charles, was in fact 35 in 1901!

Moving on to the 1911 census, Chaarles had married and his age in the Census was given as 50, when it should have been 45!! (He hadn't aged 20 years in 10). His wife was suposedly aged 30, when in fact she was 33, so what appeared to be a 20-year age gap between them was in reality 13 years!

(ref: para 2.3.2 Census Returns 1901-11; Household Return (Form A), p27-8)

'Nuf said.

Enjoy, Gordon

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