Simcoe County, Ontario
This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
Rick Smoll
Hi Rick - well not that I am aware of; however, you typed " (late
19-teens) "...........
do you mean like 1918 era?? OR ??
Jim
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:51 AM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <
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This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand
he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer
should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last
generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of
my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the
area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring
townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if
Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that
attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had
evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious
affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised
Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
Rick Smoll
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yes ... 1915-1919
I may have been that he and his wife to be had been in a relationship before he left for Canada, and that she followed after him.
Rick
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Hi Rick - well not that I am aware of; however, you typed "(late 19-teens) "........... do you mean like 1918 era?? OR ??Jim
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This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
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Rick,
I don’t have any specific knowledge of Methodism in Canada, but it was established by members of the Church of Ireland/England who broke away to form a separate denomination. Charles Wesley didn’t want that. He wanted Methodism to be a way of promoting religious adherence whilst remaining part of the Church of England & Ireland. However that didn’t happen, but in Ireland it took a long time for the split to be complete.
There was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. It was 1815 before Methodists started to conduct their own baptisms. Because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own.
For Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland.
So to summarise, the two denominations are close to each other, and were once the same. So moving from Church of England to Methodist, or vice versa, wasn’t a very big step. (The Church of Ireland and Methodist congregations in Lisburn, Co. Antrim share the same church).
Elwyn
On Thursday, 7 January 2021, 15:59:26 GMT, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
yes ... 1915-1919
I may have been that he and his wife to be had been in a relationship before he left for Canada, and that she followed after him.
Rick
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Hi Rick - well not that I am aware of; however, you typed "(late 19-teens) "........... do you mean like 1918 era?? OR ??Jim
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:51 AM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
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Yes, Simcoe County was a destination for Ulster emigrants in the late 19th and early 20th century. There were at least three or four inter-related families from the Pomeroy area in Tyrone who were livjng in the Orillia area of Simcoe county and I suspect from looking at a few of the earlier names, that they were from mid Tyrone as well.
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On 7 Jan 2021, 15:50, at 15:50, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I
understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with
knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last
generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one
of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer
in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a
neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I
am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in
general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps
an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage
certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England,
although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on
that?
Thanks!!
Rick Smoll
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Hi Evelyn
My family hailed from Pomeroy Tryone with a group of settlers in 1835
which ended up in the Ottawa Valley. Do you know of a list of families
who came to the Orillia area of Simcoe from Pomeroy? I would be
interested in comparing.
Cheers
Ron McCoy
On 2021-01-07 11:25 a.m., ECardwell via CoTyroneList wrote:
Yes, Simcoe County was a destination for Ulster emigrants in the late
19th and early 20th century. There were at least three or four
inter-related families from the Pomeroy area in Tyrone who were livjng
in the Orillia area of Simcoe county and I suspect from looking at a
few of the earlier names, that they were from mid Tyrone as well.
Evelyn Cardwell
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On 7 Jan 2021, at 15:50, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList
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This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I
understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with
knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the
last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have
found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late
19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He
married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T.
who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe
County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area
that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic
community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage
certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of
England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any
comments on that?
Thanks!!
Rick Smoll
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Thanks Elwyn ... that clears some things up. For instance, I had one great grandfather who was listed as Methodist in the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but who was a warden in the Church of Ireland (Kilskeery Parish) in 1888. We were guessing that he had converted by 1901, but maybe he was affiliated with both?
Also, we learned that the closest Methodist church was in Irvinestown, but there was a family home in their local farming community that served as a meeting place for the Methodists.
Rick Smoll
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Rick, I don’t have any specific knowledge of Methodism in Canada, but it was established by members of the Church of Ireland/England who broke away to form a separate denomination. Charles Wesley didn’t want that. He wanted Methodism to be a way of promoting religious adherence whilst remaining part of the Church of England & Ireland. However that didn’t happen, but in Ireland it took a long time for the split to be complete. There was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. It was 1815 before Methodists started to conduct their own baptisms. Because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own. For Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland. So to summarise, the two denominations are close to each other, and were once the same. So moving from Church of England to Methodist, or vice versa, wasn’t a very big step. (The Church of Ireland and Methodist congregations in Lisburn, Co. Antrim share the same church). Elwyn
On Thursday, 7 January 2021, 15:59:26 GMT, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
yes ... 1915-1919
I may have been that he and his wife to be had been in a relationship before he left for Canada, and that she followed after him.
Rick
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Hi Rick - well not that I am aware of; however, you typed "(late 19-teens) "........... do you mean like 1918 era?? OR ??Jim
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:51 AM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
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Thanks! ... someone else mentioned that land prices in that area were depressed during that period of time, which could have also been attractive.
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Yes, Simcoe County was a destination for Ulster emigrants in the late 19th and early 20th century. There were at least three or four inter-related families from the Pomeroy area in Tyrone who were livjng in the Orillia area of Simcoe county and I suspect from looking at a few of the earlier names, that they were from mid Tyrone as well.
Evelyn Cardwell
Get BlueMail for Android On 7 Jan 2021, at 15:50, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
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Ron
I dont have a list, but some of the names I have come across are Brimage (used to be known as Bermingham or Brimingham), lots of Reids, and Arnold.
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On 7 Jan 2021, 16:39, at 16:39, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Hi Evelyn
My family hailed from Pomeroy Tryone with a group of settlers in 1835
which ended up in the Ottawa Valley. Do you know of a list of families
who came to the Orillia area of Simcoe from Pomeroy? I would be
interested in comparing.
Cheers
Ron McCoy
On 2021-01-07 11:25 a.m., ECardwell via CoTyroneList wrote:
Yes, Simcoe County was a destination for Ulster emigrants in the
late
19th and early 20th century. There were at least three or four
inter-related families from the Pomeroy area in Tyrone who were
livjng
in the Orillia area of Simcoe county and I suspect from looking at a
few of the earlier names, that they were from mid Tyrone as well.
Evelyn Cardwell
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This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I
understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with
knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were
the
last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have
found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late
19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He
married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T.
who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe
County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area
that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic
community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage
certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of
England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any
comments on that?
Thanks!!
Rick Smoll
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Rick,
It’s quite possible your ancestor was affiliated to both churches. It’s not that unusual. When Wesley started Methodism, he encouraged followers to have their services on Sunday afternoons, so they could attend the Church of Ireland in the morning.
Looking at the records for Kilskeery, I see two Methodist Meeting Houses, according to the PRONI guide:
Togherdoo (in Irvinestown circuit) [Wesleyan
Baptisms, 1829-1913; marriages may be included in Irvinestown Church marriages, 1863-1918.
Trillick [Wesleyan Methodists]
Baptisms, 1829-1913; marriages may be included in Irvinestown Church marriages, 1863-1918.
There’s a reference to Irvinestown records:
Irvinestown [Wesleyan Methodists]
Baptisms, 1829-1913 (circuit); marriages, 1863-1918.
Yellow Church [Wesleyan Methodists]
[Formed part of Irvinestown Circuit – see under Irvinestown above]
You’ll see that the marriages only start over 30 years after the baptisms. You know why now, and pre 1863 marriages will likely have been in the local Church of Ireland.
In case you are unfamiliar with the term circuit, Methodists affiliate 7 or 8 congregations together. That’s called a circuit and the members are encouraged to co-operate together to promote Gods work etc.
Elwyn
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Thanks Elwyn ... that clears some things up. For instance, I had one great grandfather who was listed as Methodist in the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but who was a warden in the Church of Ireland (Kilskeery Parish) in 1888. We were guessing that he had converted by 1901, but maybe he was affiliated with both?
Also, we learned that the closest Methodist church was in Irvinestown, but there was a family home in their local farming community that served as a meeting place for the Methodists.
Rick Smoll
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Rick, I don’t have any specific knowledge of Methodism in Canada, but it was established by members of the Church of Ireland/England who broke away to form a separate denomination. Charles Wesley didn’t want that. He wanted Methodism to be a way of promoting religious adherence whilst remaining part of the Church of England & Ireland. However that didn’t happen, but in Ireland it took a long time for the split to be complete. There was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. It was 1815 before Methodists started to conduct their own baptisms. Because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own. For Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland. So to summarise, the two denominations are close to each other, and were once the same. So moving from Church of England to Methodist, or vice versa, wasn’t a very big step. (The Church of Ireland and Methodist congregations in Lisburn, Co. Antrim share the same church). Elwyn
On Thursday, 7 January 2021, 15:59:26 GMT, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
yes ... 1915-1919
I may have been that he and his wife to be had been in a relationship before he left for Canada, and that she followed after him.
Rick
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Hi Rick - well not that I am aware of; however, you typed "(late 19-teens) "........... do you mean like 1918 era?? OR ??Jim
Jim McKane
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This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on that?
Thanks!!
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