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Katherine Quigley
Sun, Jul 10, 2022 8:40 PM
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Elwyn Soutter
Sun, Jul 10, 2022 9:02 PM
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Katherine Quigley
Sun, Jul 10, 2022 9:08 PM
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says
Death Place: County Fermanagh
Death Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.
It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
If you tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct you to the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records for workhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI in Belfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required to view them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
Once I know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says
Death Place: County Fermanagh
Death Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.
It doesn’t specify beyond that.
> On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>
> If you tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct you to the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records for workhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI in Belfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required to view them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
>
> Once I know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
>
>
> On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
>
> Katherine Quigley
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Elwyn Soutter
Sun, Jul 10, 2022 9:39 PM
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Katherine Quigley
Sun, Jul 10, 2022 9:45 PM
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Katherine,
Can you direct me to the source of that information? I might be able to tell you more if I have that.
In the meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanagh in : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouse boundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone & Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally named Lowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which could lead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you have no other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
But if Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificate for her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now Northern Ireland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderry on 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the information that says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley katherinecq07@gmail.com wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says
Death Place: County Fermanagh
Death Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.
It doesn’t specify beyond that.
If you tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct you to the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records for workhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI in Belfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required to view them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
Once I know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Elwyn,
Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that.
This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSource
Katherine
> On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Katherine,
> Can you direct me to the source of that information? I might be able to tell you more if I have that.
> In the meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanagh in : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
> In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
> Workhouse boundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone & Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally named Lowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which could lead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you have no other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
> But if Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificate for her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now Northern Ireland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderry on 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the information that says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
>
>
> Elwyn
>
>
>> On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says
>> Death Place: County Fermanagh
>> Death Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.
>> It doesn’t specify beyond that.
>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> If you tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct you to the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records for workhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI in Belfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required to view them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
>>
>> Once I know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Katherine Quigley
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Jacque Newman
Mon, Jul 11, 2022 5:05 PM
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Elwyn Soutter
Mon, Jul 11, 2022 7:23 PM
Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Darlene Mulligan
Tue, Jul 12, 2022 10:59 PM
Just wondering if there is some confusion, perhaps you’re looking for OMAGH rather than ARMAGH?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/ https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman jacque.newman@yahoo.com wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Elwyn,
Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that.
This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSource https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSource
Katherine
Katherine,
Can you direct me to the source of that information? I might be able to tell you more if I have that.
In the meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanagh in : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouse boundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone & Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally named Lowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which could lead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you have no other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
But if Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificate for her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now Northern Ireland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderry on 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the information that says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley katherinecq07@gmail.com wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says
Death Place: County Fermanagh
Death Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.
It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
If you tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct you to the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records for workhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI in Belfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required to view them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
Once I know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Just wondering if there is some confusion, perhaps you’re looking for OMAGH rather than ARMAGH?
> On Jul 11, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> Jacque,
>
> There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
>
> Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
>
> Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
>
> Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
>
> https://thecore.com/seanruad/ <https://thecore.com/seanruad/>
>
>
>
>
> Elwyn
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Elwyn,
>
> Just a quick question about workhouses.
>
> You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
>
> In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
>
> Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
>
> Jacque
>
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>
> Elwyn,
> Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that.
> This is the link that I found:
>
> https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSource <https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSource>
> Katherine
>
>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Katherine,
>> Can you direct me to the source of that information? I might be able to tell you more if I have that.
>> In the meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanagh in : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
>> In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
>> Workhouse boundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone & Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally named Lowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which could lead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you have no other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
>> But if Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificate for her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now Northern Ireland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderry on 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the information that says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
>>
>>
>> Elwyn
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says
>> Death Place: County Fermanagh
>> Death Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.
>> It doesn’t specify beyond that.
>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> If you tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct you to the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records for workhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI in Belfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required to view them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
>>>
>>> Once I know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Katherine Quigley
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Jacque Newman
Wed, Jul 13, 2022 2:09 AM
Thank you, Elwyn!
Darlene, yes, I'm very confused. Family legend has it that our gg-grandfather, David Lindsay, was born in Armagh approx. . 1780, but his death record shows Tyrone. Perhaps his Irish accent wasn't easily understood by his North American descendants.
As you suggested, Omagh could be correct location. His wife was born in Fintona, so it seems very possible. I've been searching for his records in the area of Omagh for a year, but with no real leads.
My ancestors don't seem to have been involved with workhouses but they're a fascinating bit of history which is why I read Elwyn's input with much interest.
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 06:59:16 PM EDT, Darlene Mulligan via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Just wondering if there is some confusion, perhaps you’re looking for OMAGH rather than ARMAGH?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Thank you, Elwyn!
Darlene, yes, I'm very confused. Family legend has it that our gg-grandfather, David Lindsay, was born in Armagh approx. . 1780, but his death record shows Tyrone. Perhaps his Irish accent wasn't easily understood by his North American descendants.
As you suggested, Omagh could be correct location. His wife was born in Fintona, so it seems very possible. I've been searching for his records in the area of Omagh for a year, but with no real leads.
My ancestors don't seem to have been involved with workhouses but they're a fascinating bit of history which is why I read Elwyn's input with much interest.
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 06:59:16 PM EDT, Darlene Mulligan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Just wondering if there is some confusion, perhaps you’re looking for OMAGH rather than ARMAGH?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Wed, Jul 13, 2022 5:01 AM
Jacque,
The problem you are up against is that so few Irish records exist for the 1700s. There’s no easy way round that. If David was born in Omagh, there are 9 churches in that parish. None has any records before 1801 and most start considerably later. If that’s where he’s from, you are not going to find a baptism record. It’s much the same in Co Armagh. There are very few pre 1800 records in Armagh.
You say David’s wife was from Fintona (which is in the parish of Donacavey). The Church of Ireland there has birth & marriage records from 1800. The other denominations’ records all start much later. If she was COI and married there - as tradition dictated - then you might get lucky if it was after 1800, but otherwise there’s probably no record of her to find either.
The Donacavey COI records don’t appear to be on-line anywhere (according to the Church of Ireland guide) but there is a copy in PRONI in Belfast. The parish has the originals but there is normally a fee for accessing them there.
Elwyn
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022, 03:10:16 BST, Jacque Newman via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Thank you, Elwyn!
Darlene, yes, I'm very confused. Family legend has it that our gg-grandfather, David Lindsay, was born in Armagh approx. . 1780, but his death record shows Tyrone. Perhaps his Irish accent wasn't easily understood by his North American descendants.
As you suggested, Omagh could be correct location. His wife was born in Fintona, so it seems very possible. I've been searching for his records in the area of Omagh for a year, but with no real leads.
My ancestors don't seem to have been involved with workhouses but they're a fascinating bit of history which is why I read Elwyn's input with much interest.
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 06:59:16 PM EDT, Darlene Mulligan via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Just wondering if there is some confusion, perhaps you’re looking for OMAGH rather than ARMAGH?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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Jacque,
The problem you are up against is that so few Irish records exist for the 1700s. There’s no easy way round that. If David was born in Omagh, there are 9 churches in that parish. None has any records before 1801 and most start considerably later. If that’s where he’s from, you are not going to find a baptism record. It’s much the same in Co Armagh. There are very few pre 1800 records in Armagh.
You say David’s wife was from Fintona (which is in the parish of Donacavey). The Church of Ireland there has birth & marriage records from 1800. The other denominations’ records all start much later. If she was COI and married there - as tradition dictated - then you might get lucky if it was after 1800, but otherwise there’s probably no record of her to find either.
The Donacavey COI records don’t appear to be on-line anywhere (according to the Church of Ireland guide) but there is a copy in PRONI in Belfast. The parish has the originals but there is normally a fee for accessing them there.
Elwyn
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022, 03:10:16 BST, Jacque Newman via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Thank you, Elwyn!
Darlene, yes, I'm very confused. Family legend has it that our gg-grandfather, David Lindsay, was born in Armagh approx. . 1780, but his death record shows Tyrone. Perhaps his Irish accent wasn't easily understood by his North American descendants.
As you suggested, Omagh could be correct location. His wife was born in Fintona, so it seems very possible. I've been searching for his records in the area of Omagh for a year, but with no real leads.
My ancestors don't seem to have been involved with workhouses but they're a fascinating bit of history which is why I read Elwyn's input with much interest.
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 06:59:16 PM EDT, Darlene Mulligan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Just wondering if there is some confusion, perhaps you’re looking for OMAGH rather than ARMAGH?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Jacque,
There’s nowhere in Tyrone called Armagh.
Each workhouse (Poor Law Union) had a catchment area which, in general, was the same as the later civil registration districts. The Poor Law catchment areas often crossed county boundaries. In the case of the Armagh (city) most of the townlands in that Poor Law Union were in Co Armagh, but there look to be about 30 in Co Tyrone. When they were sorting the boundaries out, I assume there was some system, and in this case it was decided to lump them in with Armagh City. So persons in those 30 Tyrone townlands who needed indoor relief from the workhouse went to Armagh City (and would therefore appear in their records).
Strabane has part of Co Donegal in its area, Irvinestown, Fermanagh, includes a chunk of Tyrone too. And so on.
Use this site if you want to establish which county, parish or Poor Law Union a townland fell in.
https://thecore.com/seanruad/
Elwyn
On Monday, 11 July 2022, 18:05:41 BST, Jacque Newman <jacque.newman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Elwyn,
Just a quick question about workhouses.
You wrote locations of workhouses in Tyrone in a previous email:
In Tyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon, Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown (renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Was there a place in Tyrone called "Armagh" or did people on the border travel to Co. Armagh to the workhouse?
Jacque
On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 05:45:13 PM EDT, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Elwyn,Thanks for your reply. In the death certificate, her name was spelled Quigly. I should have mentioned that. This is the link that I found:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/28092:9903?tid=&pid=&queryId=448173c17d74feff67a20063094bf305&_phsrc=BCc1&_phstart=successSourceKatherine
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Elwyn Soutter <elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Katherine,
Canyou direct me to the source of that information? I might be able totell you more if I have that.
Inthe meantime, I can tell you that there were workhouses in Fermanaghin : Ballyshannon, Clones, Enniskillen & Lisnaskea.
InTyrone: Armagh, Castlederg, Clogher, Cookstown, Dungannon,Enniskillen, Gortin (closed around the late 1870s), Lowtherstown(renamed Irvinestown c 1880), Omagh & Strabane.
Workhouseboundaries often crossed county boundaries and in the case of Tyrone& Fermanagh, both Enniskillen and Irvinestown (originally namedLowtherstown) cover parts of both Tyrone & Fermanagh. Which couldlead to a "Tyrone & Fermanagh" reference. If you haveno other clues they may be the 2 to start with.
Butif Ellen died in 1864, there should be a statutory death certificatefor her. There was only 1 Ellen Quigley death in what is now NorthernIreland in 1864, and that was a child aged 0 who died in Londonderryon 9.1.1864. So I'd be keen to know the source of the informationthat says your Ellen died in 1864 in Tyrone/Fermanagh.
Elwyn
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 22:08:31 BST, Katherine Quigley <katherinecq07@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not sure. The record I saw is a death record that just says Death Place: County FermanaghDeath Place (Original): Work house, Counties Tyrone & Fermanagh, Ireland.It doesn’t specify beyond that.
On Jul 10, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Ifyou tell us the townland where Ellen lived or died, we can direct youto the workhouse for that location. All the surviving records forworkhouses in Tyrone (and Northern Ireland generally) are in PRONI inBelfast. They are not on-line. So a personal visit is required toview them. Or you could get a local researcher to do that for you.
OnceI know the townland, I’ll tell you what records PRONI have for the relevant workhouse.
On Sunday, 10 July 2022, 21:42:06 BST, Katherine Quigley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@list.cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on the workhouses that would have been in Tyrone in the 1800’s? I found a record for an Ellen Quigley who died there in 1864. She may be an ancestor, and I’m looking for more information. I am not sure which location it would have been at, and I’m not sure where to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Katherine Quigley
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